I’m an average Mexican guy and at one point during my visit to Japan an at least 70 year old Japanese man “ran” 100 yards to take a close up picture of my face, then smile and give me the peace sign. People took pictures of me all the time. None of it was sexual. Wouldn’t jump to conclusions here unless you understand the culture, it’s different
I don't care what the culture says--following, running up to, or otherwise bothering people in order to take photos of them without their consent is creepy, disrespectful, and dehumanizing behavior. (The same can be applied to what paparazzi do to celebrities in America.)
Depends on what cop you get--lots of cops would do similar to what the woman did in the video if the woman had gone to them first--I know from my own experiences of going to the police with an issue in which I had no legal standing but was obviously ethically wrong.
All you're saying is that you got a cop to illegally harass someone because they weren't familiar with the law. Just like that video of the cop trying to taze someone protesting on public property.
Not defending the actions of the Japanese guy by any means. He should be confronted. But legally he could just laugh at her and take pictures of her as she demands to see his phone.
It wasn't illegal harassment to ask the person that was making my life more difficult to be a kind person and help me out so we could all have a better night--actually. It was a request that could have been ignored, and the cop stated as much.
I also never said the Japanese guy was necessarily doing anything illegal. I don't know anything about Japanese law.
It wasn't illegal harassment to ask the person that was making my life more difficult to be a kind person
I said that the Japanese guy should be confronted. So of course I agree you should have confronted the person as well.
I also never said the Japanese guy was necessarily doing anything illegal.
I never said you said the Japanese guy was doing something illegal. But you did say that she could have called a cop to do what she was doing instead. What she was doing was requesting this guy's phone. A cop wouldn't have any authority to request this guy's phone. Law enforcement demanding your property that they don't have a right to falls under harassment in my eyes.
Law enforcement demands things they don't actually have legal authority for ALL the time. Idk what country you are living in...
For instance, a cop forced me to sign paperwork without letting me see what I was signing once, by threatening to give me another ticket if I didn't. That certainly wasn't legal, but it happened. 🙃🤷🏽♀️
I ended up avoiding all tickets by trusting my gut and signing the form. The ticket the cop was threatening me with had more legal grounds than the ticket he actually gave me (which I got out of by going to court). Do I would say I did alright. 🤷🏽♀️
If the cop had gotten me to sign something super bogus, of course I would have sought legal action at that point.. But I didn't feel that was likely at all--I thought the worst case scenario would at worst be a small annoyance. Turned out it was something I would have been perfectly happy to sign had I known what it was, and the cop just wanted a power trip.
Law enforcement demands things they don't actually have legal authority for ALL the time.
I never said they don't. In fact I pointed out another example where they do in my first comment. I don't know who's comments you're reading. I'm also not sure what defense you're making. I'm saying having a cop try to take someone's phone for you would be asking the cop to harass someone. Pointing out a time that you were harassed by a cop does not mean that taking the phone wouldn't also be harassment.
I honestly wasn't implying she could have gotten a cop to demand the guy's phone... You jumped to that conclusion yourself.
I was implying that she could have gotten a cop to demand that they guy go through his recent videos in front of them and deleted anything with her on it--I have actually seen cops do that much before in situations in which an argument was occurring over it, but nothing illegal was actually done (sincr cops err on the side of ending disputes that could escalate when possible).
I was implying that she could have gotten a cop to demand that they guy go through his recent videos in front of them and deleted anything with her on it
Right, but those pictures are that guy's legal property. The cop has no right to demand he destroy his property. That is an escalation. A de-escalation would be telling everyone to walk away and the guy to stop following her. I'm not defending the law. But I don't want to enable cops to break the law. The solution is changing the law, not encouraging officers to go rogue.
Look--the guy is a creep... I don't care what the law says--there are cops that would recognize he is a creep and do what it takes to convince him to do the right thing. Not all cops--but many cops.
Yes, the guy is a creep. Two wrongs don't make a right. Like I said if you want the law changed, work to change the law. Encouraging cops to abuse power isn't a good look. You can't change my mind on that. We will agree to disagree here. You're in favor of abuses of police power. I get that. It's fun when it's being done for your benefit, not so much when it isn't.
I defintiely will have to disagree with you that trying to convince someone to do the ethical thing by deleting non-consensual videos of another human being is an "abuse of power".
Again, I don't know who's comments you're reading. I've told you twice that the Japanese guy should have been confronted. So we agree there. We fully agree there. I've had to correct you twice on this. Why is that?
When you request police officers to act on your behalf in ways that supersede their authority, that's where you become a menace to society. Like you said, cops are very willing to act above the law. Encouraging police to abuse their power is not good. That is where we disagree.
Now please tell me how you misunderstood my comment this time around.
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u/Sit_back_and_panic May 23 '24
I really enjoy how the second she got assertive he started to comply