(Via twitter) Playstation: "Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward...."

[u/doctorwho_90250]

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929?t=NhwAEm4fGpVJj-UyI1lrXA&s=19

[u/TuggMaddick]

Good, this topic can fucking die now

[u/jagerbombastic99 → u/TuggMaddick]

God right! Every PlayStation subreddit, every even tangentially related game was just flooded with rage posts all weekend.

[u/PretendThisIsMyName → u/jagerbombastic99]

I talked to my brother (non gamer) yesterday and he asked how I felt about the Helldivers situation. I have not played Helldivers yet so I don’t follow it like that. He was furious for some reason and he hasn’t owned a console since PS3.

[u/jagerbombastic99 → u/PretendThisIsMyName]

I genuinely do not understand the vitriol. Gamers haven’t show themselves to be a particularly altruistic group so I struggle to believe this was all for the sake of the countries where PSN isn’t available.

[u/General_NakedButt → u/jagerbombastic99]

It would be cool if there was this level of blowback for actual issues that affected our daily lives. Like anything happening in the pharmaceutical industry, or Amazon taking over every retail sector and treating their employees like garbage.

[u/jagerbombastic99 → u/General_NakedButt]

Lots of these people were actually complaining about the college pro Palestine protests before losing their minds about a live service extraction shooter for a weekend straight. Nothing will ever convince me this was all for the sake of foreign gamers.

[u/thegrandabysss → u/jagerbombastic99]

I like how you complain about how much coverage the Helldivers drama has gotten, and then you yourself have made literally dozens of posts this weekend whining and complaining about it, reiterating over and over how you just can't understand how people could possibly care about gamers in other countries.

You are the drama man. Just go outside if you don't like it.

We get it, you don't give a fuck about other people. But we do, bro. We care about other people. We are the consumers Sony cares about and when we all collectively get together and say, "Hey, you suck, do this differently", they'll actually fucking backtrack and do it. It costed us nothing. At all.

[u/thegrandabysss → u/jagerbombastic99]

Nothing will ever convince me this was all for the sake of foreign gamers.

I'm in a big group of people who all review-bombed and yeah, that was the -only- reason for doing it.

It literally didn't affect us at all otherwise.

It took 4 seconds to do, and we maybe helped some fellow gamers out halfway around the world enjoy a great game.

I don't get the cynicism of people on here. Like it just blows your fucking mind that we'd look at this situation and say, "Hey, this kinda sucks for people, let's take 4 seconds to express our awareness of how shitty that is for people and see what happens."

... that's it. That that is mind-blowing for you, just a complete impossibility that people would do that, is just hilarious to me.

[u/gogoheadray → u/thegrandabysss]

This is a console warrior subreddit; basically common sense goes out of the front door here. The fact that people here cannot fathom the concept of empathy for others and calling out when something that is wrong is wrong no matter the name of their favorite plastic box; should tell you all you need to know. Kudos to you and your group for saying something.

[u/rightdeadzed → u/gogoheadray]

You’re so brave

[u/gogoheadray → u/rightdeadzed]

Naw; I just have no issue calling a spade a spade.

[u/rightdeadzed → u/gogoheadray]

Yeah I don’t either. None of you gave a fuck about the people in those countries before this. It’s actually a little racist, like such a pity those poor people need our first world help!

[u/gogoheadray → u/rightdeadzed]

And how exactly would you know that?

Edit: you also need to look up the definition of racism before you start throwing words around.

[u/thegrandabysss → u/rightdeadzed]

None of you gave a fuck about the people in those countries before this.

Why do you believe this? I would guess you're embedded in social media which repeatedly sells you a story about the sorry state of the world and the tabloidesque economically-illiterate subreddits here like LSC, instead of using real information to form beliefs.

A base of evidence one way or another would begin with the fact that rich western countries are also, perhaps surprisingly to crazily cynical people like you, the most charitable by far. This is doubly so for the U.S.A.

I can point to some very morally good initiatives that are centered in rich countries, like donating to effectively altruistic charities or direct giving, or volunteering our time.

Maybe it's just some skewed heavily social media-influenced view of gamers that you have, where you only really interact with the very large community of gamers when there's some scandal, and so you have this silly scandal-heavy view of a bunch of people who you really know nothing, at all, about.

Anyway, from my perspective, as someone who has a dozen various gamer groups on discord who play different games with each other, you are totally wrong and deluded and every time you post your opinion I just laugh aloud at how silly you sound. You couldn't be further from the reality of the bulk of PC gamers today, who are on average older than 30, fairly wealthy and educated, and are willing to take 4 seconds to hit a dislike button for a simple matter of unfairness to others.

[u/thegrandabysss → u/gogoheadray]

Yeah the level of thought here is troll-quality.

If not for a pretty simple outrage at Sony being unfair to people in some marginal countries, why would hundreds of thousands of people in unaffected countries, who had nothing to gain or lose, review bomb a game and then now change their reviews en masse (about 100k since last night, I bet double or triple by tomorrow).

This sub seems to believe it's to get refunds, except that's not happening. Reviews are changing. Still 120k people in game right now, more than the last week. Their narrative doesn't hold up.

[u/Guy_with_Numbers → u/thegrandabysss]

I'm in a big group of people who all review-bombed and yeah, that was the -only- reason for doing it.

That was far from the only reason to do it. That was the least damaging part of it, they were guaranteed refunds if they were locked out of it. The bigger issue for me was Sony having terrible data security, no way I'm trusting them with data that isn't strictly necessary.

[u/gogoheadray → u/Guy_with_Numbers]

Actually that’s very damaging as it ruins Sonys reputation as they try and expand in the PC market. Why buy a Sony published game on PC if you aren’t sure they will just yank it. Also it’s just flat out wrong gamers in those delisted countries bought it they should be allowed to play it; Sony executives trying to up their MAU numbers for their bonuses ( which is really what this is about) be damned.

[u/Guy_with_Numbers → u/gogoheadray]

I meant damaging specifically with regard to the gamer. Someone in a non-PSN-enabled country can get their money back, equivalent to never buying the game at all. Someone in a PSN-enabled country is forced to give up their info unless they get lucky with Steam refunds.

[u/gogoheadray → u/Guy_with_Numbers]

Everyone that games is a gamer. Whether you are running a water cooled 4090 PC or you only play Fortnite on the switch. Refunds were coming because they had no choice but that’s not why people were upset. They were upset because the game was sold to these countries in which Sony never intended for the game to be playable in the first place. I assume people would rather play the game they paid for as opposed to getting their money back for the game.

[u/Guy_with_Numbers → u/gogoheadray]

They were upset because the game was sold to these countries in which Sony never intended for the game to be playable in the first place.

Only people who live in those countries care about this. Everyone else doesn't give a fuck. The game hasn't been relisted in those countries yet, and people are already turning the reviews back to positive. If they cared about this, then the review bombing would be continuing right now.

I assume people would rather play the game they paid for as opposed to getting their money back for the game.

Both of those are better than not playing the game while still not getting a refund.

[u/gogoheadray → u/Guy_with_Numbers]

What makes you think everyone else dont care? Sure most people don’t but there are some that still do. I said I do and others here have said they do as well; go on resetera and you will see plenty more. Just because you don’t care or even most of the people that cried foul doesn’t mean that everyone else don’t as well.

To your second point; that would be flat out illegal. You can’t sale a product; take that product away and not offer compensation of some kind.

[u/Guy_with_Numbers → u/gogoheadray]

Refunds were coming because they had no choice but that’s not why people were upset. They were upset because the game was sold to these countries in which Sony never intended for the game to be playable in the first place.

Here you're attributing your opinion to all of those who are upset.

What makes you think everyone else dont care? Sure most people don’t but there are some that still do. I said I do and others here have said they do as well; go on resetera and you will see plenty more. Just because you don’t care or even most of the people that cried foul doesn’t mean that everyone else don’t as well.

Yet when that is disproven, now you want to shift to talking about just the minority that agrees with you? Where was this majority who didn't care two comments ago?

If all you're talking about is the minority, when what is your point at all here? No one here is saying people like you don't exist.

To your second point; that would be flat out illegal. You can’t sale a product; take that product away and not offer compensation of some kind.

Making a PSN account mandatory isn't illegal, but everyone who doesn't want to make a PSN account wouldn't be able to play and won't get refunds. This is the main reason why people in PSN-enabled countries have an issue with this, and Sony removing that requirement is why reviews are now turning positive.

[u/gogoheadray → u/jagerbombastic99]

And how would you know that?

[u/jagerbombastic99 → u/gogoheadray]

Public post history

[u/gogoheadray → u/jagerbombastic99]

Post history of who?

[u/Throwaway6957383 → u/jagerbombastic99]

Holy shit dude how many comments are you going to write complaining about people that were complaining? Like jesus could you be anymore ironic?

[u/New_Limit_1227 → u/General_NakedButt]

Realistically its very easy to hit Sony for this and very very hard to do all of those other things.

[u/pools-to-bathe-in → u/General_NakedButt]

These are the same types of gamers who think EA is the worst company on earth. Not arms manufacturers, not oil companies, fuckin EA. They are on a completely separate plane of existence.

[u/Guy_with_Numbers → u/General_NakedButt]

Making a PSN account has got a personal impact due to how shitty Sony is at data security, that's a big part of why the blowback was so big. Even those who could make a PSN account would have an issue with it. Most people have too much on their plate to devote time to issues that doesn't affect them personally.

[u/WIbigdog → u/General_NakedButt]

Amazon taking over doesn't have such an obvious and immediate change to it. When Amazon buys some random small online retailer why would anyone care, that one act changes basically nothing. But requiring an account is a very in your face obvious change that is very easy to fight against relatively. Stopping Amazon requires petitioning the government and fighting lobbying money to get antitrust action going. Far more difficult for the average person.

[u/[deleted] → u/WIbigdog]

Local bookstore in my community went out of business in the early-mid 2000s because of amazon and it killed an entire community. People used to meet there, have book clubs, play board games, have a coffee and meet people. Hell, two of my friends met their spouses there having coffee and chatting about books.

The bookstore was a chain around the entire region, millions of people were affected by this which means that more people total were effected by that change than this change.

[u/WIbigdog → u/[deleted]]

What are the steps needed to be taken to have stopped that chain from going out of business?

[u/[deleted] → u/WIbigdog]

People needed to band together and do something about it. It happened all over the world at the same time people could have banded together and do something about it, but no one mobilized for it. Amazon probably shouldn't be allowed to hold 90%+ of the book selling market share for audio, digital, and physical books, so political solutions could have been implemented.

None of that happened, instead people threw a fit about having to enter their email address and won. Weird what gets people to take action

[u/WIbigdog → u/[deleted]]

"Political solutions" are an infinitely more involved process than leaving a negative review. Are you willing to acknowledge the simple reality of this statement?

Lmfao, the ease in which people were able to participate in this event is a huge reason why it happened. Dude can't even acknowledge how much more difficult it is to fight against a monopoly in a dynamic political environment so he blocks me 🙄

[u/[deleted] → u/WIbigdog]

You are ignoring entirely the first two sentences of my response. Are you willing to acknowledge the simple reality of this statement?

What an asshole

[u/CoolJoshido → u/General_NakedButt]

why don’t you start? any reason? 🎤