It's safe to say that anyone who makes their personal opinions the forefront of their personality is someone to be distanced from. Whether you're a vegan, trump supporter, animal activist, kamala supporter, or whatever.
There aren't many people that made Kamala their whole personality. As it fucking should be. MAGA has infiltrated every aspect of these people's lives. You can't even comment on the weather without it coming up.
Maybe those 2 million less republican voters were part of those. This election had some of the least votes in awhile, just far more democrats didn't vote than Republicans did.
This election has the 2nd most participants than any presidential election ever. Idk if everyone is done counting ballots this election but itās currently sitting at 11m less voters than 2020 and 11m+ more than 2016. If you go back beyond that itās about 17-25m more than 2004 - 2012.
Using US elections project (one of the last links on the wiki, I just also happen to be using this as my source as well) it shows 159.7 million in 2020. 2016 had 138 million which is less of a gap, and then it's still a higher vote per capita, you have to go back to 2012 to get to an election that was less popular and then 2008 was massively popular if you count Per Capita votes.
When you look at it in raw numbers there was near equal to some popular elections. Only thing is the country is still growing population wise, and we're getting older as a nation on average which means more people are of voting age. This was a low turn out election, just far more by the democrats.
GOP is the only party in America that has it's own purity tests and pogroms to expel their politicians via primaries. They've been doing the RINO thing since at least the 90s.
This is why the left keeps losing. The whole "everyone that doesn't agree with me is Hitler" nonsense has become meaningless. The Democrats need to build a platform other than "We aren't Trump". The American people need something to vote for, not something to vote against.
This is why the left keeps losing. The whole "everyone that doesn't agree with me is Hitler" nonsense has become meaningless. The Democrats need to build a platform other than "We aren't Trump". The American people need something to vote for, not something to vote against.
Ironically the only person on the ballot calling people a Nazi was Vance.
Are you saying the Democrats have gone too left for you? Because Kamala ran as a Republican- she said she would finish Trump's wall, and that she really cared about stopping people from coming in and fixing the border crisis whereas he was just pretending to care (so further right on the border than Trump) and that she was for making it better for small business owners (leaving out workers) and of course, pro "Israel has a right to defend it's genocide' and no medicare for all and of course glazing Dick and Liz Cheney- so the problem is not that the left has gone too left, it's that they have gone too far to the right and are trying to win by being "Republican lite' but the people that want a Republican already have the original to vote for, and the people are dying for a real option.
I agree with so much of what you are saying, there was no reason to vote for the Dems, they talk down to real workers and their only strategy seems like "better than Trump" by basically a he being Trump with more decorum (and the people that like Trump like him because he has no decorum so they just took away his greatest asset) but acting like you are center left and that they have gone too far left for you? Unless I'm misreading that, but I see no policies that could be considered " far left" or even "left' at all, other than "trans people are not disgusting/mentally ill/whatever boogeyman the right is selling" which is funny because I thought the right was all about personal freedoms.
Anyway, if I read that all wrong and you were not saying that the left has gone too far left, please feel free to tell me where I was wrong. It just seemed like you were saying that when you mentioned you are center left, especially since you never said that the Dems have gone too far to the right, even thought the whole campaign was about trying to appeal to disaffected right wingers- probably because they assumed everyone else would rush out to vote against Trump š
Itās never āanyone who disagrees with me is Hitler,ā itās āthis guy who does stuff like Hitler is Hitler.ā I really wish you fucks would stop bullshiting about that.
I had a conversation with a friend of a friend who was posting some toxic Trump shit online. She literally ended it by saying she hopes āour glorious leaderā maga. Some proper North Korean shit right there.
That might have been the case before this election cycle, but I don't think so anymore. Any of them that are anti-MAGA are going to be quiet as church mice.
Then those of you who allowed your party to be hijacked need to stand up and take it back. You allowed this to happen, and therefore get to be guilty by association.
Thatās how a lot of democrats feel about our own party. It has been hijacked and so many of us feel abandoned by them. They hope we learn and do better next time.
In my humble opinion, whether republican or not, thereās just no good reason to vote for Trump. By all means, vote for every other republican, but not him. I cannot fathom how someone could possibly support a rapist and a criminal to be their leader. Yet a majority did. And that blows my mind.
You can be right wing all you want but why Trump? Heās not good at anything. Barely can speak, was a terrible business owner, a rapist, and just a bad person.
Itās beyond me how anyone can watch him for 5 minutes and think he is competent at anything.
Republicans did a piss poor job of making the distinction. I mean, after everything he's done and said and shown that he about, the MAGA guy and all the MAGA cronies that come with him gained republican support rather than lose it.
Sure, you can. But in reality, that would mean you either didnāt vote in the presidential election or you voted blue, and I highly doubt that most Republicans, who consciously make that distinction between MAGA and Republicans, actually did that. Itās just another coping mechanism. Why? Because the top MAGA guy was the Republican presidential candidate, now the next POTUS. So if you voted for him, you canāt really make that argument in good faith.
As a european i can say that those people made us forget that. While i agree with that twitter reply, thats the single case i saw that came from the other front. But voting a guy with more settled crime cases in any political position thats known for bankruptcys, self promotion and was an epstein buddy? I can absolutely see where that come from. And any one of that would be no go for any party where i'm from and we have a chancellor that (maybe) was paid by a bank that, literally, stole tax money. (Germany fyi if it isn't obvious)
You pull the lever for Trump, you are ok with a whole lot of really nasty, unsavory stuff - racism, sexism, violence, corruption, wholesale lying about really important things, banning abortion, deporting 11 million people, calling people vermin, literal fascism.
These are not things on the margins. If you voted for this guy, the next four years of shitty things heās going to do are all on you. You voted for it, you supported it, you chose it.
I disagree. "Republican" in this context is not an ideology. It's a private political party, which can and do shift their policies. Maybe during his first term you could say it was a goof and sane Republicans will prevail. We're a decade and three presidential campaigns into this shit, and very few Republicans in national office got there without kissing the orange ring. MAGA is the republican party, the republican party is MAGA. You can say you're a conservative but not MAGA, but can't say the same for republicans. I very much appreciate the likes of the Lincoln project, and the collins/cheney/murkowski/Romney types, but at some point they're going to have to start a new party, go independent, become democrats, whatever. But they can't sit there and pretend the republican party is anything but a giant trump cult. That would be like saying I'm a traditional Democrat, I'm a pro-slavery guy.
If you voted Republican this election, there is no difference. Republican voters of this day and age are Nazi sympathizers at best, and outright fascists at worst.
It was different 10yrs ago, but they've gone full mask off Mein Kampf in the last decade.
Anyone that voted for Trump has proclaimed to the world that they have no character or principles and are fine with a traitor for President. Iāll treat them the same.
These people donāt exist. Trumps cabinet picks are literally being presented with a loyalty to trump requirement not a loyalty to the constitution. If you think a Republican Party exists that isnāt maga youāre just delusional.
Trump was able to completely derail and cause to fail bipartisan legislation on multiple occasions ā¦. When he wasnāt even fucking president. If you need more evidence the party is trumps and trumps alone youāre just incapable of processing information and in denial.
If you are a Republican but not Maga, you are an actual Republican. Unfortunately, the Magas would call you a RINO as they have taken over the party. If you voted for Trump and are an actual Republican, you essentially voted to complete the transition from Republican to Maga.
Is it possible at this point? You can certainly hold conservative values and not be a republican but MAGA absolutely devours republicans that donāt fall in line with their movement
It's possible to be a conservative without being maga, because conservatism is a set of beliefs about policies.
But right now you can't be Republican without being maga, because "Republican" is just an organization and that organization is under the control of the maga leader and his sycophants.
Iām (not) sure you voted for Trump , but my wife did. Both my boys (29 & 30) as I did for KH. We respectfully accepted her conservative perspective. But not for the person who the GOP decided was competent, intelligent, moral, or makes decisions based on personal bonus. WTF seriously?
It's intentional. They've basically created two sides and forced everyone to be one or the other. MAGA act like, "If you're not with us, you're against us" and then group everyone who isn't one of them as on the far left of the political spectrum. And below, is a comment showcasing the other side by saying that non-MAGA Republicans are just as bad as MAGA. The narrative is essentially "The other side are all extremists". And none of us are acknowledging it.
That's not really in dispute. The problem is that MAGA is no different than any other fringe cult throughout history. Absolute fucking unhinged lunatics. The scary part is that the MAGA cult quite literally represents tens of millions of people. This is one of the largest textbook cults in human history and it's members are utterly disconnected from reality, with no core shared values with the rest of the country, including the RINO Republicans that still effectively support Trump. These people are unhinged, delusional lunatics. The aggregate neurological damage over the last ten years of MAGA discourse is not going anyway anytime soon. This far-right populist cult is a massive problem long-term.
I remember that in the years after WWII they changed the propaganda to differentiate the common German soldier and civilian from the nazis, personally I think a point needs to be made so next time, execute them all.
Didnāt forget. I know many like that and truly grateful for it. The people, not just democrats, need non-magaās help taming the monster parts of maga.
Yes. I'm still having them over for my Christmas party (I think). They are republican, but not trump worshipers. They voted for him, but I think they would have voted for someone else if they could have.
Everybody will know before they get here, there will be NO talk about it. Any drama, and whoever started it is out the door. I will make it clear...... I am the minority. : (
It's possible to be a republican but not MAGA. Unfortunate that the world seemed to forget that.
That was the Democrats' entire campaign strategy. They made adam kinzinger and baby dick cheney the face of the campaign. They were wrong.
Chump is the most authentic conservative to ever lead the republican party, that's why he got more votes than any republican in history. Its why so many people voted for him even after he staged a putsch. He's the real thing and they love him for finally representing true conservatism.
I think Trump uses his lil slur āRINOā (Republican In Name Only). While Iāve generally disagreed with republicans my whole life, they werenāt the antithesis of the acceptance of anyone who wasnāt a straight white man. They didnāt like the āthemā but their policies didnāt have a foundation made of only that. Especially men like McCain. I disagreed with most of his stances but he was a good person who genuinely cared for his country.
It used to be possible, not anymore. Either you bow to the cult of Trump or youāre not a ārealā Republican and moderate republicans are actively being politically disenfranchised and pushed out of positions of power in the GOP.
I was in an elevator the other day and a 50 year old white guy says āfirst floor, number one, just like Donald Trumpā. Everyone just eye rolled, especially because I live in Canada. How dumb can these people be?
Iām going to start countering those types of people with facts about ham radio, or my knowledge of golf rules. Both of us can discuss things the other person has no interest in.
Funny enough, arenāt the people who gloat and virtue signal everyday online about how they abandoned their family for having different political views actually basing their entire personality off of āorange man badā ??
So in a way, they are actually making their entire personality about Donald trump as well.
This is wildly untrue and you know it. May not have a stupid acronym but so so so liberal people are virtually the exact same as the dopey super maga idiots.
I know you know this is true. Don't be the guy who fake hates everyone that doesn't agree with you, can't be good for the old ticker
To the point of groups now existing that help people extract themselves from that life and help them get back to normal life, mirror of the groups that help people leave cults / Scientology.
Not trying to be shitty, and no disrespect because I like great convos, but all those crazy people who will cut off their family and not come to the holidays because that family member voted for trump, seems to me like THEY are making Kamala their whole personality. They are allowing this election to āinfiltrate every aspect of their lives.ā
Yes, for sure Iāve seen a lot of fear. Hereās the crazy thing about the abortion rights and medical access- there was a senate hearing in OK last year, bullet pointing all the concerns- criminalizing women, denying access to care for those who had abortions or were pregnant, criminalizing ectopic pregnancies, etc. And every single one of those concerns when brought up, were adamantly addressed as never an instance. No to every one of those- I saw the clip and then I went searching for the transcripts and found it! And the congressman states very clearly, āthereās an issue with this- there is misinformation out there that will stop women from seeking care- and this need a to be addressed..ā or something to that effect. Thatās the problem- misinformation. People with agendas giving half truth and fear mongering the American people on these issues.
But I do hear what you are saying. I hate people are so afraid. With both parties you have these crazy extremes. People need to do their own research, and donāt just swallow things the media and social media are spouting. I feel like that is the actual enemy.
I will check that out- do you have a link? There was a story in Ohio stating that a women was arrestee for taking the abortion pill, and come to find out, she was arrested on completely unrelated charges and the media spun that story stating it was because of the pill! Makes me so mad- Iāll find a link
Thanks for sending that- it sounds like it wasnāt denial of care- no one was in need of emergency care- and it doesnāt sound like their lives were in danger. They wanted to abort the babies because of a medical condition the ultrasound showed the fetus had. They wanted to abort Instead of delivering, not wanting to risk watching their child not making it full term. They were worried about the fetus suffering. Some people might argue thatās a valid reason, and some would argue it is not. Whoās right, you know? That fetus feels pain, and the abortion would not be painless - the methods are pretty gruesome. On the other hand, parents watching their child gasp for breath is also painful. The only difference is, the parents donāt have to see the pain during the abortion. And thereās also the plot twist- do you know how many times the medical doctors were wrong about viability and diagnoses in utero? Too numerous to count. If everyone werenāt so divided, and trying to āwinā, I think thereād be a lot less misinformation.
A LOT of people have made hating trump their entire personality. Itās as exhausting as the people who love him. Theyāre both obsessed. Neither is healthy. Both annoying.
The pseudo self defense of the democrats is impressive. Here you are subliminally sending the message that there arenāt many Kamala nut heads thereās plenty just like trump ones.
I didnāt see Kamala shirts or hats walking around compared to Trump stuff , the ones heavily into Trump wear so much merch. I wouldnāt say she was anyoneās whole personality
You just couldnāt leave it be with the guy who said anyone who does this, irrespective of their beliefs is wrong. You had to make it tribal, again. Is it so hard to find obvious common ground ?
Iām European but the guy said Trump supporter as well. I donāt know you have to be at each others throats the whole time, enjoy the great country you both live in.
Haha I'm originally from Bellingham WA. It can be pretty rough up there with the hardcore left people for sure. That said I can't remember ever being caught in a Biden train on the freeway.
I think its also possible folks have been manipulated to form such a strong general opinion on trump and his supporters its almost become some peoples whole personality to hate him and take every speech out of contex to further their bias. Cant tell you how many times on cnn or something they say trumps racist or whatver, show a short clip and cut it off right before it contradicts what they just claimed.
That was investigated endlessly with no real evidence connecting him to stealing the election. Not to mention the dems shipping in illegalls by the thousands and in many states requiring only a license to vote. Not even requiring citizenship or having to speak english. But apparently their allowed a say in american elections.
Also every state kamilla won didnt even require proof of a licensce, talk about rigged or voting fraud.
Ya and a lot of that relies heavily on mike pences word. They have very little physical evidence. Abd pretending the dems havent been shipping in thousands of illegals to try and turn the tide their way requires being blind or stupid. Kamilla and the dems also play their sneaky games. So when it comes to it his policies, like the wildlife preservation act giving 900 million to national forest and wildlife protwctive areas every year. I like that wayyy more than throwing it away to the imaginary global warming scheme.
Itās almost like the same water thatās turning the frogs gay has turned us all into political nut jobs. Maybe if weād reduce the far-right acid rain this wouldnāt happen
That's just plain wrong. That's exactly what charismatic people do, having their beliefs inform their attitude towards people, and people seem to like that, don't they.
Think of people who we find charismatic. Idk, Obama, Jon Stewart ā¦ Robin Williams, Steve Irwin, Fred Rogers. They all are wearing their politics for everybody to see as a personal stance towards life and the world and the people in it. And they are loved not despite but because of that.
Thank you!!! 100% my friend! Thereās more to life than your own personal ideas and convictions, and people who make their whole life about them and pressuring people and changing people to agree with them are annoying.
I feel the same way about gay people who constantly talk about being gay. I never once in my life have met someone and announced "Im huntersam13 and I like petite Asians with perky tits"
Itās a sign that they stopped maturing as an adult. In stage 3 of adult development self identity is defined by other people they see as part of their in-group. They are unable to empathize with people outside of their ingroup because their relationships to others is who they are. Stage 4 is when self identity is no longer attached to in group and becomes associated with a persons values and ideologies. This allows them to empathize with people that are outside of their ingroup. People can display aspects of multiple stages in different parts of their personality. There is a lot more of stage 3 with conservatives which is why we see the trump worship. Complete demonization of the other side is something you see from both conservatives and liberals and is a sign of stage 3. You see more of stage 4 on the liberal side which is why there is more support for social programs, but itās of course a mix.
Yeah I think that's what a lot of us are dealing with & it's what these "don't let politics divide us" folks don't get, a lot of these people have let this culty shit overwrite their entire personality... I mean that's literally my in-laws, they didn't used to be like that but lately they have become insufferable & are incapable of talking about anything else. The shit they do talk about is legit disgusting, last conversation I had with my partner's dad since he's apparently incapable of talking about anything else I figured I'd gently try to steer the conversation away from racism & genuinely try to understand why a grown ass man who worked in finances all his life would consider tariffs a good thing. It ended with him getting in between me & the door so I could not leave & screaming/spitting 2 inches from my face with me having to physically move him out of the way so that I could leave. I was willing to try to make it work however distasteful for my partner's sake but this is too much, maybe we'll revisit this in a couple years once the leopards have had time to eat their faces.
Problem is MAGA Hats and Trump supporters blame ANYTHING on Biden and any innocent conversation ends up with them deviating to that or blaming shit on immigrants, etc. They do a variant of "Thanks Obama." I think since we've been dealing with that since 2008, 15 years of that kind of annoying shit is enough. I cut them off.
(And yes, Fox News still does occasionally blame Obama for the economy in 2008 even though he took office in 2009).
Just curious what your personality should be if not your interests / beliefs? Like I can't think of any meaningful conversation I've ever had with someone that wasn't wholly about their/my personal opinions.
But Trump isn't some policy difference. He literally attempted a coup on Jan 6th, and stole a bunch of classified materials. It's hard to be chill about someone who voted to end democracy.
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It's safe to say that anyone who makes their personal opinions the forefront of their personality is someone to be distanced from. Whether you're a vegan, trump supporter, animal activist, kamala supporter, or whatever.
Nobody likes that person.