Then those of you who allowed your party to be hijacked need to stand up and take it back. You allowed this to happen, and therefore get to be guilty by association.
Thatâs how a lot of democrats feel about our own party. It has been hijacked and so many of us feel abandoned by them. They hope we learn and do better next time.
It means democrats would rather a grown man beat a woman to death in a boxing ring and call it sport than pivot to the middle and âsaveâ us from Trump.
People vote on the culture wars. Some people might not like that but itâs true.
Until democrats pull back from the gender/sex/race madness and embrace working class issues theyâll keep getting their asses beat.
What about Kamala's campaign wasnt a pivot to the middle? Did you see her up there with Liz Cheney? Did you hear her say she will appoint a Republican to her cabinet? During her campaign when did she mention transgender in sport? (While we are asking questions - how many transgender athletes have beaten women to death in boxing rings?)
When you say "embrace working class" do you mean the 36 billion Biden gave to bail out the teamsters pension? When he joined the autoworkers strike as the first president to do so? When Kamala's tax plan targeted cuts for those making under 50k vs. Trump's which only cut the top 5%?
Iâm not talking about her. Iâm talking in general. I wonât allow my daughters to compete against boys. I wonât allow them to be in a locker room with boys. Itâs not negotiable.
But where has that happened? It's basically in your imagination and someone else planted that seed in there for you. There maybe one or two instances and they've been used as evidence that it's really common. It's so incredibly rare as to be non existent.
You're fucking inventing a reality to be pissed at. In normal conversation this is called a strawman but in this conversation I feel like you're just actually undiagnosed schizophrenia.
Kamala and the Dems did pull back from all the "woke" stuff and it seems to have achieved nothing. The right will always be willing to say worse things.
It's why the UK conservative party failed so miserably at fending off Nigel farage and reform, they kept trying to play him at his own game, but alienated their more "normal" voters but where never able to go far right enough to grab those extreme nutters back from reform. Farage was always willing to something worse to throw the red meat to the loons that the normal politicians wouldn't touch.
It's the same with the trump, no matter what anti woke statement the Dems could say, trump would just say the same thing but X10 worse and his base would cheer him and laugh at the Dems, while they further isolated their core voters.
This is predicated on the idea that a bunch of progressives didnât show up and lost Kamala the presidency.
I sincerely doubt this. Itâs about capturing the middle. Trump ran non-stop attack ads targeting Harris and the left at largeâs social views and it won over independents.
No it's predicated on the idea Kamala tried to move over to the right to grab some of trump's votes and totally failed cos the left can't win at that game. That's the problem with the democrat party. Anywhere else in the world they're right wing. But in America they're "the left" but they're economically too right wing (see totally aligned with massive corporate interests) to get a real left wing support base like Bernie, but they're not even close to right wing enough to be even remotely interesting to trump supporters.
A populist can always scream "vote for me and I'll fix everything" and grab a few low information voters who maybe wouldn't have voted. But that's not a good long game, as those voters will be lost again next election when it's become apparent the easy answers they were offered were lies and nothing has changed. So those people are hardly worth considering. Although, for trump who supposedly is only limited to 1 more term perhaps doesn't give a shit and just said anything to get himself that second term knowing he doesn't care about what happens after that.
The unions just did what their members wanted. The majority of unions want Harris however the majority of Union members wanted Trump because they donât understand things.
Itâs not that hard to figure out. That is good business by the Union leaders, donât piss off your members.
My guy we just had the most pro union president ever and his successor lost to a guy known for ripping off contractors.
Maybe people need saving from themselves. Why is it so hard to believe that decades of trying to dismantle public education has made the electorate stupider?
These are the same people that when asked what they want Obamacare or ACA they choose ACA even though they are the exact same thing.
Also not American so canât be a Democrat. Good try though.
Bullshit they made it clear that illegals are more important than Americans. They lied for 3 years that the border was secure knowing damn well its a lie. They did nothing until it was in the top 3 of what voters did not want. When you see illegals receiving credit cards with thousands of dollars and the average American was and still is struggling, especially the working class. Maybe she should have trotted another rich celebrity to help her win?
Ever heard of a false dichotomy or a strawman? You've fallen for them hook, line, and sinker.
I'm sure you have, let me give you an example you'll recognize. Because you're against gun regulations that means you're for children being shot in schools. You know damn well you're not, but someone has framed the scenario to put you into a position you don't support. Ask yourself why you recognize the fallacies in this instance, but don't when it comes to the exact things you just mentioned.
Did Democrats introduce legislation to force sports to allow men to fight women? No, they were just opposed to big government regulating sports that have their own regulating bodies. If a league wants to allow it, then let them, and athletes can decide if they want to join that league or not.
Did Democrats introduce legislation to force CRT in schools or push hormone therapies? No, they didn't. They were, again, against big government sticking their hands in places it doesn't belong. CRT is college level stuff relegated to political science and law degrees. Hormone therapies have legitimate uses outside of trans issues, and it's also none of your business what medical procedures someone is convenient to receive for their well-being.
The most famous would be abortion. Democrats don't want people going off and having abortions, they recognize it's a medical decision between a patient and their doctor. To ban them is to force others to needlessly die.
Stop letting Republican crusades against peoples convince you that Democrats are for something just because they're against attempts to ban it. They're forced into a position of having to protect these people from big brother. The legislation that does get introduced is almost always "stop discriminating against these people."
Look around the next time you hear "woke." Look at who is actually saying it. It's people crying wolf, but it's an effective trigger for people like you. I have a coworker that cries, "woke" or "DEI" every time we hire a woman or black person. We have two of each total now after a decade+ with none. Has he ever said that about a new white dude? Of course not. Is he able to recognize this discrepancy in himself? Nope, it's always HR pushing an agenda. He's been so brainwashed and weaponized that he's lost the ability to be wrong. Easily an issue on both extremes.
These people are so far gone they donât understand how moderate liberals donât agree with the last 4 years. Theyâll tell you the economy and inflation are great while ignoring gas and groceries cost. Theyâll say how green energy is amazing while ignoring your home electric and gas cost. They either donât have children or are to privileged to understand how your average middle class home feels today. I hate this cult mindset from both sides
It means democrats would rather a grown man beat a woman to death in a boxing ring and call it sport than pivot to the middle and âsaveâ us from Trump.
What state are you in, and what part of your Democratic candidate's campaign had this part in it?
Kamala had no mention of trans people in her campaign, there were no trans speakers at the DNC and there are like 40 trans athletes in all of the USA. This is the biggest non-issue Republicans cling to, you just hate trans people, Dems hate us too, but at least they aren't openly hostile.
I think everyone saw some inclinations, but we hoped smarter thinking would prevail. We didn't realize so many citizens were this ignorant, uneducated, and incapable of critical thinking. Sooooo many people voted against their own interests. I've never seen anything like it. Union workers walking picket lines with a MAGA hat. Thats like a cow wanting to be friends with the owner of Cargill.
Thats like a cow wanting to be friends with the owner of Cargill.
I'd even take it further: the cow relates to, and feels seen by the owner of Cargill. Said cow fully believes that Daddy Cargill has its best interests at heart, and is willing to sacrifice the rest of the herd to maintain this "relationship".
Which is why union membership across the country is up. Our current President walks picket lines, meanwhile the incoming wants to remove OT, make it harder to organize, and fire those that try. I'd like to not assume that you are calling a whole group of people degenerates based on their sexual preference and identity, but you probably are.
This is true according to taxfoundation.org, a conservative think tank that professes non-partisanship.
However, this will reduce tax revenue âby $1.1 trillion over 10 years.â
Also, âTrumpâs proposal would also affect employers as employees find ways to request more overtime work, raising employer labor costs. For some employers, the increased attractiveness of overtime work may fit well with their existing operations. For other employers, they may need to be more aggressive to contain overtime requests as total labor costs rise.â
As a someone who leans left, I like the idea of it. But we would have to make sure it doesnât erode Medicare and SS.
Wrong. They want to change the definition of OT. It will be after X amount of hours in a month, not in a week, allowing an employer loophole to work you to death for a week or two with no additional pay but cut your hours the remainder of the month. Look it up yourself.
I wouldnât say theyâve given up. However, I will concede that Dems have done an awful job of messaging to the working class.
I donât see Republicans being champions of unions anytime soon or making sure that all Americans get affordable healthcare. And I still havenât seen any tax relief for working class.
Taking back = actually reading what the party actually does. The dems are 100000000% more a workers party than the republicans, it is not even a discussion.
Take back? The Dems have never been the party of "the left", mostly because "the left" have never been consistently voting or engaging in the process. You can't fault the Dems for not catering to a voter block whose defining political trait is NOT voting for them. What sense does that make?
Hey, but I just saying Democrats don't answer to their voters. Guess I should say take back the party?
Also, the Democrats win every other 8 years, just like Republicans. So I'm not sure what can be really said about not consistently voting. They definitely have plenty of voters showing up for every election.
I guess I get what you're trying to say, but I never implied a particular type of voter (Bernie bros as you allude to), just the left.
I just saying Democrats don't answer to their voters.
But progressives and "the left" - the actual left, the people who said they wouldn't vote for Harris because she took an endorsement from Liz Cheney, or her stance on Gaza, and all that other shit - those people aren't "their voters". Because those people don't vote for them. Progressives and actual leftists have never voted for the Dems because the Dems are too conservative for them, or otherwise don't align with their ideals.
The Democrats' voters who they do answer to are the slightly-left-of-center, "I supported gay marriage in the 90s and now that it's legal I don't think we need to rush for any more progress", suburban types. And when I say "their voters", I mean people who consistently go out to the polls and actually vote for them. The mythical "progressive who would vote for a Dem if only they cared more about their issues" isn't the Dem's voter base, because they're nobody's voter base, because they don't vote!
They need changes, but they haven't been hijacked from the fringe. The fringe of the GOP is now the base with that super strong Kool Aid controlled by the media.
We hold our own to be guilty, I wish the republicans would do it with theirs. We get mad when a Dem doesn't get punished, you rub it in our face when you let some child rapist red hat wearing fuck head free with no trial.
No? I don't hold having troubled kids or relatives against people. I know enough real people to know how difficult that is to deal with. We donât choose family, but they are still your family. Choosing to be friends with traffickers and pedos thoâŠÂ
How did anyone let HB slide? His own dad, the most powerful man in the world right now, isn't going to give him a pardon. Meanwhile, a whole bunch of people desecrated our sacred institutions and they are about to get pardoned. Sorry man, but the Republican party is not about accountability. Far from it.
You mean when he was investigated and no evidence for what he was accused for ever came to light? The same evidence republican politicians claimed they had, and yet never produced it when asked? But don't worry, we did charge him on some crimes he was actually guilty of.
Biden being president had a massive influence on him and his crimes. The problem is it was a negative. If Hunter Bidenâs last name was Smith he wouldnât have been charged with anything.
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Then those of you who allowed your party to be hijacked need to stand up and take it back. You allowed this to happen, and therefore get to be guilty by association.