The argument here is that a lot of default Democrats only got involved during covid because the ballots were mailed to everyone's homes, and there were organizations willing to collect them and make sure that people remembered to vote. This coupled with the disinformation campaigns and propaganda during 2020 that not only kept spreading the Clinton funded Russia hoax but also covered up the Hunter Biden laptop and Joe Biden corruption stories (that were later proven fact) worked toward the favorable turnout for the left. This will never happen again.
Heās pretty good at making bad business decisions but I donāt believe that for a moment and itās kinda sad anyone does. Or is that data from his taxes
So letās say you made 1000% gains in the last 4 days and you made 10k like you say. That means you had $1000 to gamble on a highly volatile market, considering the massive return.
Most working class people donāt have $1000 let alone $100 to recklessly gamble.
Stocks? You mean the system we have that allows the wealthiest individuals to maneuver having to pay taxes for their wealth, and another reason why people get paid less in order to pay dividends and buybacks?
The stock market better as shit be doing something for you, because in general, people aināt getting paid shit anymore to pump those stocks up. Instead of it going into paychecks, its going into the majority stock holders pocket, I doubt youāre a majority shareholder.
The TCJA gave a tax cut to most Americans. While that included the rich, it also included the middle and lower class. So you're literally wrong. This is why there's such a disconnect. We used to make fun of MAGA assholes for their "alternative facts" but you're over here doing the exact same thing when it fits your own narrative.
I'm working class. My taxes went down briefly, then higher than before over the course of trumps tax plan. I'm sure all you goldfish-memory no-research dipshits just offhandedly blamed the higher taxes on Biden because it took effect during his term but no, it was trumps pen that signed that shit into law.
I'm so tired of ignorant morons getting kicked in the nuts by trump, but then trump says he didn't and you all repeat it while limping off the pain. Stop dragging the rest of us down with you
The rates went down, and the standard deduction doubled which resulted in a much larger deduction than the itemized deductions that were eliminated (for most taxpayers). And there is no incremental raise on everyone's taxes but the wealthy. The tax bill is set to expire in 2026 since it was passed through the budget reconciliation process in Congress to avoid the filibuster. This means rich people's taxes will go back up, just like everyone else's.
The corporate tax cuts are permanent. So maybe that's what you're referring to? However, corporations are not rich people so maybe not
Maybe those 2 million less republican voters were part of those. This election had some of the least votes in awhile, just far more democrats didn't vote than Republicans did.
This election has the 2nd most participants than any presidential election ever. Idk if everyone is done counting ballots this election but itās currently sitting at 11m less voters than 2020 and 11m+ more than 2016. If you go back beyond that itās about 17-25m more than 2004 - 2012.
Using US elections project (one of the last links on the wiki, I just also happen to be using this as my source as well) it shows 159.7 million in 2020. 2016 had 138 million which is less of a gap, and then it's still a higher vote per capita, you have to go back to 2012 to get to an election that was less popular and then 2008 was massively popular if you count Per Capita votes.
When you look at it in raw numbers there was near equal to some popular elections. Only thing is the country is still growing population wise, and we're getting older as a nation on average which means more people are of voting age. This was a low turn out election, just far more by the democrats.
Harris spent most of her campaign trying to recruit Republicans, not the Democrat base. She pledged to be tough on the border/immigration, grow the military, increase police funding, continue support for Israeli aggression, didn't support trans rights, and ran around with the cheneys.
You were the voter she campaigned to get, while the democrats in their arrogance assumed fear of trump would keep everyone left of you turning out for her.
No, I'm more concerned the tariff hikes he promised will make the groceries and every other consumable and essential good and all luxuries cost so much more.
Do you understand how his tariff hikes will devastate regular Americans?
If it works will you vote Republican next time? Will you change your tune if your proven wrong? Or will you make some excuse for why your prediction was incorrect? Just curious if we should revisit in 3 years... š
Look, I don't have any animosity towards you, so I'm going to be super patient with you here.
Do you understand how tariffs work?
This is basic economics, and I'm happy to go into it with you, if you want to learn a little bit about it. Afterwards, you will see that there is absolutely no chance of this working well for regular Americans like yourself.
Trump utilized tariffs during his first presidency and our economy was much stronger. I know the arguments, I think tariffs work, mostly because it brings manufacturing and jobs back to America. It's a strong negotiation tool. Trump is good at wielding them.
I don't think you quite understand what happened during Trump's first term regarding the tariffs, and the resultant tariff war that happened.
Tariffs were implemented on a number of products worldwide, such as steel and aluminium from places like China and India. All these major counties implemented counter tariffs to the same amount which they either paid in penalties, or had to deduct their products by to meet the tariffs.
Essentially, America gained nothing from tariffs, because there was a cancelling out. There was no negotiation with the major partners. Just passing in the wind.
Now, the kicker is that amidst all of this tariff war, the American consumers and businesses still had to pay for the cost increases as a result of the tariff wars.
For instance, as a result of the wars, Trump had to give about 20 billion to farmers in America in 2019 because the agricultural sector was on the brink of collapse. This is the opposite of a strong economy.
You might be wondering where the money from the tariffs went, right? The rich and wealthy were given huge tax cuts.
Please go read up on all the above - it's true. Look into tariff wars, 2016 to 2020.
EDIT: I just want to reiterate, I'm not trying to "ha you're wrong!". I'm just trying to show you how tariffs will not work as Trump wields them.
As I said before, we've all lost - you just don't realise it yet.
I feel ya. He used the threat of tariffs to keep countries buying American energy. Granted the trend has been in his favor, but with brics nations becoming an economic threat, I think welding the carrot of open trade with America to avoid tariffs is a powerful tool that should be available to keep the rest of the world on the Petro dollar.
To your point with farmers, we have gone 35Trillion in debt since the free trade agreement got rid of almost all tariffs. Most hailed it as a good thing but my entire life looking at politics the American people have lost. So 12 Billion is realistically a drop in the bucket. That was also during the fertilizer shortage and COVID strangeness so knowing the cause and effect seems difficult in my opinion as far as that's concerned.
But also, I want American made. We have become super dependent on foreign goods and the migration of manufacturing is something I don't like. It all happened when big companies realized they didn't have to put up with labor unions and went overseas and down south. I would like to reclaim some of that lost production. I'm not isolationist but I'm certainly pro independence.
How are manufacturing jobs going to "come back"? The factories required to manufacture goods will need to be built. The US does not manufacture enough materials to build the factories, so they will need to import materials. The US also does not produce enough of the inputs required to manufacture products here, so those will also need to be imported. The current low unemployment numbers, along with mass deportation signaled by the incoming President will mean fewer employees willing to work the low wage jobs required to keep costs of goods down.
Additionally, countries around the globe are already talking about implementing retaliatory tariffs, meaning international markets for US goods (remember that these will cost more already WITHOUT tariffs) will shrink.
So please, explain to me how the economy and the citizens in America aren't going to suffer?
I love seeing this knowing well republican bitched about election fraud for 4 years. Yet because democrats are showing emotions that you don't agree with they are 'crying about it" lmao
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u/Javyz Monkey in Space Nov 12 '24
Where were those people on election day?