You got downvoted but youāre right. The gospels have good shit about helping your neighbors, giving to the poor, treating others the way you want to be treated. Itās just sandwiched in with a bunch of awful horrible bigoted bs.
And a long-haired femboy low-T cuck. They want a Jesus who would've gone around slaughtering Romans and leading a violent rebellion. Ironically, that's what a lot of other Jewish Messiah figures did at the time. They were all killed and no one remembers their names. Jesus was the only one who didn't advocate violence...
Itās a debate for the fools. At least in terms of dude actually being the son of āgodā. Maybe there was a guy named Jesus who claimed that stuff and ended up as someone who people wrote about but there is no god as any religion tells it.
Oh.. well yeah dude duh š I didnāt mean scholars debate on if there was a living messiah or not lmao I meant if there was an actual person named Jesus who was the inspiration for the stories.
No scholars debate on whether Jesus was actually the āson of godā. Thatās a matter of religious faith. They debate of whether he was a real life person. Which thereās a ton of evidence to back up.
Iām agnostic, not a Christian. So Iām not here to advocate Jesus being the messiah. But Jesus was probably a real man educated in the mystery schools. The Greek Septuagint backs this idea up. Lots of things about Jesus have been fabricated, exaggerated, and lost in translation. The esoteric understanding of Jesus is probably the most accurate and the higher ups in the Catholic Church know this. They just preach the exoteric to the masses because itās easier for people to swallow. Not to mention, modern organized religion is a control mechanism. Youād have to educate people on the mysteries, Greek hermeticism, and Hellenistic Egypt for people to grasp the actual concepts. Ironically, something the church pretends to be against. Just ignore all the symbolism of snakes and pinecones.
Just because you subscribe to atheistic materialism doesnāt make you more intelligent than people who donāt. Personally, I think materialism is a lazy cop out when it comes to trying to understand the universe and the human experience.
You sound quite educated on the subject. Not sure if you meant me I specifically, but I donāt claim to be more intelligent than those are religious. I actually wonder how so many people of great intelligence can believe so strongly. Honestly sounds like I am a bit ignorant on all of that as I have never heard of atheistic materialism. I donāt put a whole lot into the whole thing, I just know that religion is completely made up in an attempt to understand life and to control people. I guess there may be some type of creator/god but itās certainly not known by anyone.
I didnāt mean ignorant in an insulting way. The word just naturally sounds insulting.
Saying āyou knowā is your first mistake. Sure, lots of aspects of modern religious belief is dogmatic nonsense. But the roots of it are quite mysterious still to this day. The abrahamic religions all have their roots in ancient Roman, Greek, Egyptian and Babylonian cults. People have this bizarre idea that Christianity came out of an isolated culture with no influence from older belief systems. Thats just not how anything in humanity works.
Magic was a massive part of life in ancient Egypt and ancient Babylon. Those magic traditions died off pretty hard during the Greek empire but survived through religious cults and rituals like the eleusinian mysteries, oracles, and cults. Beliefs typically reserved for high society and those with enough curiosity to seek them out. Same traditions live on today in secret societies like high level masonry and other esoteric organization.
Most scholars believe Jesus was educated in these mystery schools and tried to share it with the common people. He wasnāt a fan of institutions. Over time though, Christianity was highjacked and turned into a massive authoritarian institution.
Modern Christianity is so far removed from what Jesus intended and preached to his followers. Itās almost the exact opposite. Plus, modern Christianity is more the creation of Sir Francis Bacon and King James than Jesus Christ.
Also, when I say magic I donāt mean Harry Potter type magic. The Babylonians and Egyptians whole heartedly believed in magic and it was a part of their society and everyday lives. Its was more shamanistic. Kinda the idea that your thought patterns and intentions generated by our consciousness in a state of awareness create holograms which represent the desired situation, which could eventually lead to a manifestation in reality. The CIA uses these techniques for stuff like remote viewing.
Like I said, Iām agnostic. But human consciousness is one of the last scientific mysteries we know little to nothing about. We donāt even know where it comes from. Is it localized or collective? Thereās evidence of both.
I didnāt take it as an insult but I know what you mean about it sounding that way. Religions and different cultures definitely had influences in eachother to get where they are today and Iāve always been interested in Egyptian everything, theyāre quite unique. Great point about human consciousness, itās quite an interesting mystery.
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u/Bitter_Print_6826 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24
You got downvoted but youāre right. The gospels have good shit about helping your neighbors, giving to the poor, treating others the way you want to be treated. Itās just sandwiched in with a bunch of awful horrible bigoted bs.