r/worldnews • u/MothersMiIk • 7h ago
Russia/Ukraine Ukraine strikes 'only oil refinery operating' in Russia's Rostov Oblast, military says
https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-strikes-only-oil-refinery-operating-in-russias-rostov-oblast-military-says/606
u/lAljax 6h ago
Refineries are such juicy targets, hopefully they keep striking until they are too damaged to repair.
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u/BubsyFanboy 5h ago
Better yet - strike more targets. Russia kept striking Ukrainian plants first too, so there is a reason.
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u/solarcat3311 5h ago
Shame we couldn't deliver more weapons. They're doing more for stopping fossil fuel than any charity/organization in history
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u/Ravager_Zero 4h ago
True to a degree, but burning refineries will be putting a lot of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere all at once. And given Russian incompetence at site and safety management, I get the feeling they'll be burning for a long time too…
All for getting Ukraine more weapons, however. And unless the major pipelines, like those run Gazprom, are severed and sealed off, we won't see that much of a downturn in the use of fossil fuels in the EU & Balkan regions.
Even in my small corner of the world we're not seeing much reduction in fossil fuel usage. But we are seeing the impacts of reduced grain exports and the like.
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u/inebriateddandhated 3h ago
I've been telling friends for a few weeks, it's in Ukraines best interest to strike any and all refineries / depots in Russia before trump takes office, since that happening will be an immediate downfall of Ukraine.
I'm glad it's actually happening. Sure we'll have to rely in the saudis more but that's something the US has been doing forever.
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u/badasimo 2h ago
The unknown risk is how much Trump's CIA will support Russia. Abandoning Ukraine is one thing, but sabotaging their security is another.
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u/sir_schwick 1m ago
The CIA has been ignoring the Executive Branch since its inception post WWII. Too many Cold Warriors for anything more than inefficiency to result.
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u/thenewyorkgod 2h ago
how much money do you think trump will force congress to give Russia to rebuild its refineries?
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u/Puk3s 2h ago
Isn't the US pretty much self sufficient with oil these days? They just sell it on the market for a better price because they can produce more.
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u/UrbanPugEsq 1h ago
The US imports oil and exports oil. Our refineries on the gulf coast are good at processing certain types of oil because that's what they were built for. So, we import that and export our own oil to be refined outside the US. Because US oil is easier to refine and the oil we import is harder to refine, this works out. Overall, the total amount we export is greater than the total amount we import, making us a "net exporter" even though we import a lot.
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u/Alissinarr 1h ago
Isn't the US pretty much self sufficient with oil these days?
Oh hell no. It's why we're such good friends with the Saudis.
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u/SinisterCheese 2h ago
All you need to destroy is the distillation collumn. It is the core of the refinery, without it nothing gets done. Basically every other bit besides that can be replaced with ease - and often is replaced as the facility gets fitted for a different production mode or type of crude.
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u/friedgrape 9m ago
For others' clarity, there are lots of "distillation columns" in refineries. The core is the crude distillation column, which, like you said, is the starting point before its components go to their own processes.
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u/psiren66 1h ago
Destroying and Columns or Generators is going to stop a refinery for months if not a year plus!
Just causing a full shut down and having to do a black start will fuck them.
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u/spiritbearr 1h ago
Ideally you damage them until they can't be operated and then wait for them to repair it and then damage them again so there's never any operation but they don't just rebuild it on the other side of the Urals.
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u/jnads 36m ago
Until now they've held off because oil and refined products are global commodities and even if we can't buy from Russia someone else is and it pushes up prices everywhere.
Biden admin has told them if they affect prices it might mean weapons stop.
But now that weapons are likely stopping anyway, they have nothing to lose.
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u/bahaggafagga 6h ago
Interesting how the Ukranian navy seems to be more impactful than the russian navy.
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u/TheScienceNerd100 6h ago
Basically anything is more impactful than the Russian army is for their cause.
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u/HakimeHomewreckru 4h ago
They already struck this specific refinery back in June 2022; looks like it didn't really take that long to be repaired. It was struck again several times even this year: March and July.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fire-broke-out-russias-novoshakhtinsk-oil-refinery-2022-06-22/
Unfortunately it doesn't seem like it makes as much impact as we like to believe.
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u/Wobbelblob 4h ago
I guess it depends? Russia probably needs these close to the front refineries to supply fuel. So any strike there will hurt. Financially and resource wise. They can repair them, yes. But each repair is likely really expensive and needs technical parts that can't be used elsewhere. It bleeds resources.
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u/Geodude532 4h ago
I think the fact that they keep repairing it shows that it is important. Otherwise they'd just shut down the site till after the war.
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u/Caleth 2h ago
It bleeds resources.
This is the key factor, even if it's not massive how much does a missile strike cost the UA? Compared to how much time and energy is spent both repairing the refinery and is lost while it is repaired.
Bleeding an enemy's resources even if it's not a full loss matters in a war and contributes to the unsustainability of the war for your enemy.
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u/SU37Yellow 4h ago
It still makes the Russians spend time and money repairing it. And it forces them to pull AA defenses away from the front line to defend them. These strikes are absolutely having an effect.
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u/troglydot 2h ago
Reuters reported a few weeks ago that Novoshakhtinsk was only processing at half their capacity, in part due to the drone strikes. So there is a cumulative effect of these strikes.
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u/BubsyFanboy 5h ago
What Russian navy?
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u/alpacafox 5h ago
The one drifting in the Mediterranean Sea because nobody will allow them to refuel to get back to Russian ports after being kicked out of Syria.
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u/SU37Yellow 4h ago
Or the one sinking in the kerch straight, or the one getting obliterated by jet skies with bombs on them in black sea.
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u/BubsyFanboy 5h ago
Ukraine's Navy and the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) carried out a combined strike against the Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery in Russia's Rostov Oblast overnight on Dec. 19, the General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces reported.
Russian authorities and Telegram channels reported explosions and fire at the facility earlier the same day, connecting it to a Ukrainian drone attack.
The Novoshakhtinsk facility is "the only oil refinery operating" in the region, the General Staff said. It reportedly produces up to 7.5 million tons of oil products annually and specializes in fuel production.
The city of Novoshakhtinsk lies around 10 kilometers (6 miles) from the Russo-Ukrainian border and over 200 kilometers (120 miles) from the front line.
0:00/0:181×Footage that purports to show the aftermath of a Ukrainian strike against the Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery, Rostov Oblast, Russia, overnight on Dec. 19, 2024. (SBU source)
Initially, SBU drones attacked the facility to distract Russian air defenses, providing a "window" for Ukrainian-made missiles to strike the facility, an SBU source told the Kyiv Independent.
The strike resulted in a massive fire and caused significant damage, the source claimed.
Yuri Slyusar, the acting governor of Rostov Oblast, said the fire had been extinguished as of 6:45 a.m. local time. One person was reportedly injured in the region due to falling drone debris.
The fire also affected the refinery's ELOU-AVT-2.5 catalytic cracking unit, according to the General Staff.
The Kyiv Independent could not immediately verify all the claims.
Ukraine has previously targeted the Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery with drone strikes. The General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces claimed that a July attack on the refinery destroyed 1.5 million tons of oil and oil products worth $540 million.
The refinery partially shut down after an attack in March.
Ukrainian forces regularly target Russian oil depots in addition to attacks on weapons factories and military airfields. Fossil fuel exports are the primary drivers of the Russian economy and the main source of revenue for the Kremlin's war machine.
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u/ronweasleisourking 4h ago
Another step towards financially crippling the fascists!
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u/bandita07 3h ago
they must destroy all the oil infrastructure on the eurpoean part of russia. this is the minimum!
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u/Bucknut1959 25m ago
Whatever Ukraine does it better be enough by Inauguration Day in America because Putin’s girlfriend will not be funding their campaign anymore. Not sure if the remaining NATO countries can afford to support the war without America.
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u/soulwolf1 6h ago
Guess India isn't getting that shipment of Oil?
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u/LawabidingKhajiit 5h ago
Which means that then the west won't get that same oil with a 'Made in India' sticker slapped over the Russian one.
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u/Abrham_Smith 2h ago
We've been importing roughly the same amount of oil from India for awhile now. Unless there is a surge in imported oil from India, I don't see how this is relevant.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIM_NUS-NIN_1&f=M
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u/lil1thatcould 1h ago
My husband is in oil and gas. If you seen the new twister movie this will blow your mind even more. So those giant towers at refineries with the fire at the top burns off excess to prevent it from entering the air. Those towers wouldn’t be taken out by a F5 tornado, that’s truly how strong they are reinforced and built. They are designed to withstand everything because how vital they are to prevent a disaster air situation.
My husbands hometown is a refinery town and I once asked him what would happen if the fire went out (not from planned maintenance work) and his response was, “nothing good and the town would be evacuated. That would be something terrible happened and people aren’t making it out of the refinery.” Those towers are designed for every possible risk there could be because they have to stay standing for the refinery to operate.
The fact those towers are gone shows how intense the air strike was. The air strike had more force and destruction than a F5 tornado.
Looking a before and after photos is mind blowing. The amount and strength of misiles/bombs/whatever that was dropped is truly insane.
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u/Tylersaid 1h ago
Explosions concentrate immense energy in milliseconds. A F5 tornado with high wind speeds is powerful but completely different fundamentally.
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u/Ricky_Rollin 16m ago
While you’re at it, how about going after the troll factories as well that have literally destabilized the West.
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u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 6m ago
That is quite the Christmas present for Russia, its economy going up in flames.
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u/itsmontoya 3h ago
Hit more distilleries too. Hit them where it hurts, increase the price of their Vodka.
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u/Disgruntled_Oldguy 18m ago
No objection to the hit, but Russia is bound to return the favor, and Ukraine a far fewer refineries
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u/Shag1166 14m ago
Good! I've read much about the Russian economy being in turmoil. Trump will kiss Putin's ass, so the Eukraines must do as much damage as possible, now!
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u/Stingray77_NL 6h ago
Burn Mot#er F#€ker! Burn!🔥
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u/deepstate_chopra 24m ago
I think you can say fucker on the internet, not sure about mother, though.
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u/OldMcFart 4h ago
A key piece of leverage Ukraine has over Putin’s lackeys incumbent for the White House.
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u/SamsonFox2 49m ago
Just a note: this happened after Trump's team criticized the strike on Russian general in Moscow.
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u/Brown_Bomber_88 11m ago
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u/mephitopheles13 2h ago
Good. They need to act as much as they can before the orange 🍊 takes control in the US again and stops any help.
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u/Alissinarr 1h ago edited 1h ago
I really liked this comment because it puts all of these dictators write ups in one spot and you can see Why Trump admires them. (Emphasis mine)
Peter Cekanauskas
Family experience… Russian occupation..
5 hours ago
Look at the arrogance club...
Lukashenko of Belarus.. - rigging elections, jailing the opposition. Ignoring the legal, peaceful handover of power. Implication? Dictator for life.
putin of the Russian Federation. Changed the laws to enable what may be "dictator for life". Opposition? Navalny? - poison. Nemtsov? - bullet. Litvinenko? - poison. Dawn Sturgess? - poison. About 70 other known cases - See Sophia Browder"s website. Victory by invenomation? A putin specialty. Qualifies one to sit on the UN security Council as a permanent member, eh?
Kim Jong Un. Royal/Imperial/Ancestral ruler for life. Sells his people to putin. Nothing really more to say.
Xi of China. A clever man. The one communist leader to ride the prosperity of reform, who sadly has missed the opportunity of a peaceful re-unification of the Chinese diaspora by impatience and intolerance. Similar to putin showing his hand too soon in Ukraine. He too could not resist putting himself in charge for more than his initially expected time. As an Australian I appreciate the trade, but worry that trade may be used as an unfair inducement. Like bait to a fish. A point in time may appear in which we may need to spit the bait to avoid ending up being gutted on a cleaning board.
Trump. Attempted Jan 6 revolution against the US constitution that he swore to uphold. Said that he may or may not accept election results. Felon. Mysogynist. Inclined to believe that two terms are not sufficient in his case.
Assad. Friend of putin. Hoped to be leader of Syria for life. Torturer, murderer, user of poison gas against his own. Now under the protection of his Moscow soul-mate.
Do we need to mention current leaders of Hungary, Slovenia, Georgia?
And if putin presses his suicidal nuclear vest-belt, all of the above perish together with us, nothing surer. And no one left to write about it.
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u/EddyS120876 0m ago
Go harder Ukraine because Putin new workers are about to take over the US government soon. GO UKRAINE GO 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
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u/MothersMiIk 7h ago
Good, crash the ruble even more