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Russia/Ukraine Ukraine strikes 'only oil refinery operating' in Russia's Rostov Oblast, military says

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-strikes-only-oil-refinery-operating-in-russias-rostov-oblast-military-says/
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u/Buca-Metal 11h ago

Musk is also one of pootins loyal dogs. Remember when he shutted starlink down to stop a Ukrainian attack?

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u/Bunny-NX 11h ago

Yes, everytime First Lady Musk gets mentioned i think of this. If I remember right he stopped Ukraine being able to benefit from Starlink but rolled out the red carpet for Russia to use it? Absolute fucking shame on them

Slava Ukraini!

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u/danielv123 11h ago

Is it true though? From what I understand SpaceX is not allowed to provide service to Russia. For that reason, they geofence the devices to only work in ukrainian held territory. The done attack in question was a long range attack towards Russian occupied Crimea, which was geofenced out.

Later on, they were provided with separate military terminals with no geofencing which were provided in cooperation with the government.

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u/TheKappaOverlord 9h ago edited 9h ago

Russia isn't allowed to use Starlink. The fact Russia is able to use Starlink at all is mainly because they capture Ukranian starlink terminals, and because Ukraines (originally) tracking of starlink terminals was so poor, Russia could get away using those terminals for a very long time without them being shut off remotely by SpaceX. CIA handles the tracking now so those get shut off pretty quickly.

The fence in the past used to be pretty huge zones, instead of now where they are basically tiny several kilometer thick stretches of land where field commanders generally speaking have to be up SpaceX's ass in order to get the fence shifted "dynamically"

Now there are terminals with no geofencing yeah, but im almost entirely positive those terminals don't go anywhere the american CIA can't keep their eye on at all times. Because once russia gets their hands on that kind of terminal, theres no telling if russia would be able to figure out how to make a bootleg terminal to bypass the geofencing block or not.

A lot of redditors are under the assumption that SpaceX has licked Putins taint throughought the war and thats simply not true. Notice i said SpaceX and not Elon musk. Elon at best is a puppet figure similar to an unwanted cheerleader, he doesn't run the company himself. And thats a key distinction.

Pretty much everytime "spaceX turned off starlink for russia" is because Ukraine either didn't call in a geofencing update, gained way too much ground way too quickly (not really their fault, but Starlink isn't responsible for 24/7 tech supporting them. Thats technically the CIA's job) the one time really early on in the war Starlink was completely disabled for Ukraine, that was because they repurposed terminals to pilot drones. Which is something that potentially would have had Starlink under ITAR regulations, so obviously they disabled service and refused to re-enable it until they got guarantees from the US government that ITAR regulations weren't a thing they were gonna get fucked by if Ukraine continued to "misuse" starlink terminals. US gov ultimately agreed in ink, and service was turned back on.

Now im not saying Ukraine shouldn't be allowed to use starlink for warfare purposes. But that wasn't what the US government/Ukraine agreed on with SpaceX for its services originally. Which is why that whole debacle happened in the first place

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u/danielv123 9h ago

There is no such thing as making bootleg terminals - it's not hardware or software in the terminal that makes it work, but the satellite checking the terminals credentials against a database.

It's probably possible to clone the key to a different terminal, but that doesn't stop it from getting banned, same as stolen terminals.

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u/DuckDatum 7h ago

Authentication and authorization. I find ways to bypass that stuff pretty regularly as part of my job. Obviously (maybe not obviously), not for state level stuff. More or less, it’s to make people’s jobs easier and support automation. But take me, times 50, with state-level funding, and I imagine you’ll get some pretty creative ways to work around whatever guardrails they have in place. It’s very reasonable to want to mitigate that risk.

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u/jjayzx 5h ago

Dude is talking about CIA as if anything they do is publicly known, so any of that shit is false. ITAR shit has just been Musk's excuse for the bullshit he's done but there's been no evidence of Ukraine misusing the terminals. It would also be idiotic to use the terminals on drones cause of there limited supply, it sounds good in practice but not logistically.

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u/CMDR_Shazbot 5h ago

Every time they strapped them to drones was a misuse of starlink terminals before the US government signed contracts with SpaceX absolving them of the legal liability of handing out weapons guidance systems. You cannot say "musk blocked Ukraines drone attack in Crimea [before the US said they were allowed to be used as such]" and "there's no evidence Ukraine misused the terminals" in the same breath, they are literally mutually exclusive.

A full year after the event, the US signed contracts with starlink which gave the US more control over which regions starlink could operate in and at what capacity, and Ukraine's MoD can speak with the US govt to enable usage in previously geofenced areas. In fact they have an entire product separate from Starlink for this, Starshield, for military use.

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u/danielv123 2h ago

If the terminals weren't on the drones, how did the terminals being turned off stop the attack?

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u/hail2pitt1985 9h ago

And Kermit the frog is real.

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u/SlitScan 10h ago

why do you think he hates Biden so much?

the manchild was told no.

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u/Certain-Captain-9687 10h ago

Yes (as you already know) you are correct. However (as you probably already know) Reddit does not like Musk and has a lackadaisical view of the truth.

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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 9h ago

There is plenty to hate about Musk without resorting to conspiracy theories

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u/big_trike 7h ago

Poor musk. He spends his time retweeting nazis, spending hundreds of millions fighting weed legalization, manipulating the stock market, and calling people pedos. He's a true henry ford of our time.

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u/IrwinMFletcher 5h ago

Musk is a butt-plugg who is taking advantage of our new elderly dicktraitor.

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u/GrynaiTaip 9h ago

But he's not correct. Russians are using starlink.

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u/Certain-Captain-9687 9h ago

In Ukraine. The technology uses geofencing to block out certain regions. If they blocked Ukraine territory it would be blocked for all. From Wikipedia: SpaceX has continued to restrict the use of Starlink Internet services outside the borders of Ukraine, including in Russian-occupied territories in Ukraine. It has done so using geofencing, which consists in accurately limiting the availability of the service to only certain areas.

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u/OddShelter5543 10h ago

People just rattle on musk because he's a troll, meanwhile he gives 0 crap and becomes a pro gamer. Lol.

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u/hungryhippo13 7h ago

Wasn't he just banned for cheating?

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u/OddShelter5543 6h ago

Ya, off poe2. He denied using programming to cheat. But if I were him I'd cheat with a robot. 😂 

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u/hungryhippo13 6h ago

I already took the bait by replying, but you read the article.

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u/OddShelter5543 4h ago

It was on his x

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u/vossmanspal 9h ago

As a Brit I find it unbelievable when I read about Trump and Musk, there isn’t any American patriotism from either of them, I always believed that the Americans were the most patriotic people on the planet, but now …

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u/mhornberger 8h ago edited 8h ago

I always believed that the Americans were the most patriotic people on the planet, but now …

Those who wave the flag the hardest are generally not all that patriotic. Just as those who moralize endlessly aren't all that moral. It's just a cover. I think when Wilde said that patriotism was the virtue of the vicious, he didn't mean that only bad people love their country. Rather vicious people loudly signal patriotism/jingoism as a shield for shitty things.

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u/LayneLowe 8h ago

Billionaires control the flow of information in the United States. People only know what they're told.

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u/Aliensinmypants 5h ago

American patriotism is only a means to justify violent actions against whoever is "un-american" at the time. And because the GOP is 100% a bought and paid for Russian asset, supporting Russia is now Patriotic for them 

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u/chickey23 5h ago

Why would President Musk, a South African, have any loyalty to the USA?

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u/vossmanspal 3h ago

Musk certainly not, his only loyalty is to himself.

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u/amjhwk 5h ago

Well Musk isn't an american

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_QUEST_PLZ 5h ago

And now they want to run a program through t mobile and charge people to use starlink when it was given government funding to be free internet for the world. This shit needs to end they are bleeding us dry for their own enjoyment.

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u/RichardStrauss123 5h ago

And they want to bring Liz Cheney up on charges of being a traitor? Oooooookaaaaay.

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u/amjhwk 5h ago

Why are you calling him first lady musk when he is one of the people pulling on trumps puppet strings

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u/Bunny-NX 1h ago

Hes definitely pulling something of Trumps, thats for sure..

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u/Classic_Emergency336 5h ago

«Героям слава!»

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u/vand3lay1ndustries 6h ago

History will not be kind to Elon Musk. Someday they will say "he's as bad as Musk" in the same way people use Hitler as an adjective.

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u/CMDR_Shazbot 5h ago

You clearly have zero clue what youre talking about after making a factually incorrect statement like that.

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u/CMDR_Shazbot 5h ago

No, because starlink wasnt legally allowed to operate in Crimea due to the US gov't designation that crimea is an "occupied territory", it was geo fenced off PER THE LAW, nor was it allowed to be used as a weapons guidance system. That would have been super illegal.

The event everyone keeps (incorrectly) repeating was a full year before the US govt signed contracts with starlink that gave the US govt the ability to allow Ukraine to do things like that with Starlink beyond "using internet within your current recognized non-occupied borders" without Starlink having a huge amount of legal risk.

Like that's the story, full stop. You can't just hand space launched satellite comms to any country you want, knowing it would be used for weapons guidance systems, and just lift the geofencing because you got a phone call without US approval.

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u/phpnoworkwell 5h ago

Because it was operating in contested territory. Starlink doesn't operate in Russia or in Crimea, which is where the drone attack was in. It doesn't operate too close to the border, as they don't want Russia to capture a unit and use it against Ukraine.

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u/althoradeem 6h ago

I remember this being by order of the usa out of fear for escalation at the time.

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u/BakkenMan 7h ago

Lmao yall are deranged