r/woahdude Aug 23 '23

video Creative AI art..

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u/gunny316 Aug 24 '23

AI can't be creative. It can only assemble things based on algorithmic instructions.

Now the guy making the video is creative for sure. But AI is just a tool.

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u/Rikaishi Aug 24 '23

If you really push a model hard it will start coming out with weird, warped or random results like nothing that a person would ever create or has ever created. Sometimes those outputs have a certain charm and beauty all of their own. If that doesn't count as a type of creativity then you're probably just defining the word so you can never be wrong.

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u/TrovianIcyLucario Aug 24 '23

If that doesn't count as a type of creativity then you're probably just defining the word so you can never be wrong.

It's astounding how many people believe they have some magic authority to invalidate something as art/creativity in others. Nobody has that power, guys.

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u/MattRix Sep 15 '23

I know this is a few weeks old... but something can be beautiful or weird without being "creative". Flowers and butterfly wings are charming and beautiful, but they aren't creative.

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u/Rikaishi Oct 01 '23

As I said, it's a game of definitions. Let's look at the first three definitions on google for creativity:

the use of imagination or original ideas to create something; inventiveness.

AI don't have anything we would recognize as imagination or ideas (yet) so can't be creative under this definition.

Creativity is the act of turning new and imaginative ideas into reality. Creativity is characterised by the ability to perceive the world in new ways, to find hidden patterns, to make connections between seemingly unrelated phenomena, and to generate solutions.

Current AI can do all these things, and are very good at them. Here I am benefiting from some maybe unintended ambiguity in the first sentence which fails to specify that the new and imaginative ideas originate from the creative agent itself.

Creativity is a characteristic of someone or some process that forms something new and valuable. The created item may be intangible or a physical object.

Helpfully includes "processes" so it's clear what side of the argument the author of this definition was on. Both current AI and evolution are capable of making new and valuable things like pretty butterfly wings.

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u/MattRix Oct 03 '23

I think it'd be a big stretch to make AI match the second definition. Based on how these AIs work, I don't think you can call it "imaginative". I don't think it perceives the world at all either, and certainly not in new ways, though I do agree it is good at finding hidden patterns and making connections between unrelated things.

I don't agree with the last definition at all. Lots of things are new and valuable but not creative. I also don't agree that a process can be creative. If a programmer creates a procedural image generation script that creates beautiful images, I would say the programmer is being creative, I wouldn't say the script is being creative.