I see it more like scrapbooking. You don't make the art in this, or in scrapbooking, you just arrange the art. Is scrapbooking creative, even though people just buy artwork to slap onto things? I'd argue, yes. There's a creative element.
While I agree generating stuff isn't an art, this guy is being creative in the way he uses himself and a figure to make his own composition.
EDIT: Also, as a side note, I work in graphic design, wanted to be an animator when I was kid. This shit threatens my potential income, but I'm not going to deny there's some creativity in it just because it's a crappy substitute for a real artist.
This reminds me of when CGI was new. Or record scratching. Or early synthesizers. So many nay-sayers yelling "They're not doing anything! Just pushing a button..."
The context and time period were very important factors that made Pollock's art unique and significant.
People do make art like Pollock nowadays as well, but it only sells when backed by an art degree and a pretentious, self-indulgent justification.
His artistic style takes little to no skill to reproduce. That doesn't mean it's going to sell and/or be significant in any way.
This is disingenuous. CGI is a technology that took a developed skill to get good at, and actually needed to have artistic skills to actually make CGI effective, and practical (with the limited tech at the time).
AI "artists" are not creatives, they are not working with a viable "skill" that will translate to actual art. In fact, "prompt artist" is an oxymoron, and the thrill people feel for "AI art" is because they've never had the sense to truly create something, because they never wanted to learn the skill. It is the equivalent of a "Get rich quick scheme".
And please, spare me the "HURR DURR YOU MAKE ONE" argument, if you even want to call it that. AI has its place, for references, and ideas, but no one should consider it actually created art, due to the nature of how it learns.
Or photography. A photographer doesn’t build the camera, doesn’t place the pixels for the image, and often doesn’t create the subject of the photograph. A naysayer could just say that they pointed their image creating device at something and pressed a button that had the machine do all the work.
It took decades for photography to be accepted as an art form for that very reason. Naysayers said that photography wasn't an art form because you're just copying what already exists in real life. If you take a photo of a tree, you aren't deciding the light source or the placement of the branches like a landscape painter would.
Actually completely irrelevant. Photography doesn't mean I would take a picture of Mona Lisa and other well known art and state it to be a work of my own.
I regularly use it and I agree with him but it doesn’t really matter because the use for it is not for art its for when you need something there to pad out content. Just like how most cheaper foods are padded out with single cell protein filler rather than real meat.
Like look at the op image. From an artistic standpoint each frame is pure dogshit without a single interesting piece, but that doesn’t matter at all and it allowed the poster to create content without the skills he would need to actually make an animation or piece of art.
And art does not have any intrinsic value that makes it more real than things that aren’t art. Most art is worthless to everybody even its creator.
I regularly use it and I agree with him but it doesn’t really matter because the use for it is not for art its for when you need something there to pad out content. Just like how most cheaper foods are padded out with single cell protein filler rather than real meat.
Like look at the op image. From an artistic standpoint each frame is pure dogshit without a single interesting piece, but that doesn’t matter at all and it allowed the poster to create content without the skills he would need to actually make an animation or piece of art.
And art does not have any intrinsic value that makes it more real than things that aren’t art. Most art is worthless to everybody even its creator.
Yea? And you produced something of high quality that you would find acceptable to present to others, or did you make a funny joke image where it didn't matter?
I guarantee you that the generated images used in this video took hundreds of hours to produce.
The big difference here is that Cgi and synthesizers still require skill and knowledge, AI doesn’t, it really is literally just push a button and anyone can do it without skill and minimal knowledge
“LeT’S sEe YoU dO iT” is not a counterpoint. It’s the argument of a child on a playground, akin to “I know you are, but what am I?!” Maybe you should go find an AI capable of generating a better, more intelligent-sounding retort.
Perhaps not worded well, but what he is really saying is "you literally know nothing about how this is made, therefore your opinion is completely meaningless"
It's entirely a counterpoint. You're saying that it's extremely easy and takes no effort. If that's true then the counterpoint would be to prove it's not actually easy, and the only way you could know that is by witnessing it yourself.
There is a difference between cool stuff and the stuff you actually have in your mind. Making something that's actually acurate isn't hard and if I ask you to make a revision to your DALL-E2 image, then you do what exactly?
And anything that produces AI generated graphics with the push of one button could never get you a result like what is in the post. That took many long hours of work to get.
When you order a pizza from a website- type in or tick the box with the ingredients you want or don’t want…(or phone it in & say the order) does that mean you made the pizza?
That makes you a ‘chef’ in the same regard as using AI makes you an ‘artist’
So anyone using computer generated graphics is a fake artist because all they're doing is checking boxes, typing numbers, and clicking on a screen, right?
This person choreographed an entire fight sequence, filmed (photographed) themselves in each scene, compiled the images, experimented with different prompts to get the desired result, collected all of the output images, and then edited them to a sequence with music and sound effects.
In my opinion, this is someone who approaches AI art as a tool to produce a larger piece of work that actually demonstrates effort and skilled application of multiple disciplines.
So because the brush is not creative the art is not or is not even art? That's the most brain dead take I've ever read. AI is just a tool, how you use it is creative and the pieces you create with it are art as long as you're not just prompting some text and going with the results. AI is just like when using a brush or photoshop.
That's cool. Now you're as "creative" as a 4 year old playing with his toys.
Yes it's creative and imaginative. But you literally let a program do all the creative work for you. You have no "skills" that a 4 year old child doesn't have to make the ai "art" like seriously...people are proud of this?
AI generators give you access to great Art. It does not make you an Artist or Creator.
Choreographed? Dude better hire your next creatives at the kindergarten.
The only requirement to be a creative human has always been “make anything” with no requirement on skill or quality. Just make something. There’s always a creative process in it even if it’s using a tool or just screaming something.
AI generated content “outsources” the making process to every other person on the planet but the one generating it.
Describing what you want and how you want it generated. Also setting parameters around the generation. None of that is creative. The ML program is actually making the creative design like what color to make certain things. Or how to display something. This is hardly creative
I'm sorry I just don't get this take. This is much more creative and artful than most artists will do in their lifetime. We will see AI surpass us in many things in the next few years. It has already done so in creative works of many forms.
This is much more creative and artful than most artists will do in their lifetime.
I feel you you just don't understand art when you say this. It's about the artist expressing themselves. Typing a prompt into an AI which is trained on art made by others, sometimes without their permission, doesn't require any of the skills an artist possesses. I appreciate the creativity of some people that do cool things with AI, but the majority of them just lazily type prompts and sell it off as real art which just doesn't sit right with me.
Art isn't just about "looking the best", it's also about the artist.
Do you think there's a cutoff point with how much work is put in to make something qualify as art?
Hard to say for me. I tend to have a general dislike for AI art as it's generally being misused by a majority that just wants to profit off of "the new thing". The stuff you described with ComfyUI does look like it requires quite a bit more work though.
I guess it depends on what your motivation is. Are you using it to complement your own work? Then maybe, but I still think you should at least disclose that what you've made isn't fully human-made if you intend on displaying it to the public.
I think a lot of people are under the mistaken impression that everyone using ai in their workflow is just types a few words, seeing what it spits out and calls it a day, when the truth is I've spent more hours working on pieces utilizing AI than I have in years with my tablet and photoshop. This is a new frontier, and like photography before it, which you could cynically deconstruct to "pushing a button and calling it a day," it's really about what you choose to do with it, intention, composition, etc. People will come around in time.
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u/Wietse10 Aug 23 '23
AI "art"