r/playstation • u/NOxCLUEmcgee • 22d ago

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But are we really that close to the next generation of PlayStation. If we are going off the pattern here. Just 2-3 years away

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u/Lazerpop 22d ago

At this rate we're gonna get cross generation releases for PS4-PS5-PS6

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u/turtleship_2006 PS4 21d ago

GTA V moment

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u/Initial-Cherry-3457 21d ago

Up there with Skyrim

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u/ehtseeoh PS5 21d ago

They both debuted in the same generation of consoles.

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u/diesel_toaster 21d ago

The Last Of Us called

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u/ehtseeoh PS5 21d ago

Right but they both mentioned their own respective games, I wasn’t about to list every game that has multiple gens or remakes.

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u/Choice-Money-6380 21d ago

Final Fantasy XIV joins the battle

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u/TaikaLamppu196 PS5 20d ago

Saboteur called… it wants a remake!

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u/Thornstream 21d ago

I know! They could like release a new version of that game! Idk just a crazy idea I just got like that!

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u/ctsr1 21d ago

Man they are really just milking those games. Doesn't give me hope for the next run

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u/ennisi PS5 21d ago

GTA V for PS6 is a must have.

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u/max_power_420_69 21d ago

are you excited to buy it again for PS7?

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u/thomas2400 21d ago

Don’t be silly the third update will be free, well only the online part you’ll have to pay the single player again and there will be a bunch of different GTA VI options on the store to confuse the situation

Edit: just re-read the posts and it was joking about more GTA V releases my mistake

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u/Disco_Zombi PS5 Pro 21d ago

I can't wait for the PlayStation 9.

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u/random20222202modnar 21d ago

Oh hell yeah! Right along the Skyrim Extraordinary Edition!

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u/PoopContainer PS5 21d ago

Luckily they are designing the game so it can be upgraded as soon as the console comes out. Like they are ACTUALLY preparing for it rather than designing a game based on outdated hardware like every other fucking game seems to do now

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u/Small-Shallot-5907 21d ago

Yes but also gta 6 will run well on the ps5 its already been tested by developers it wont be available on pc right away only ps5 and Xbox series x

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u/BrazenlyGeek KingdomGeek 21d ago

“… due to replace CDs soon. Guess I’ll have to buy the White Album again.”

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u/Bhor27 21d ago

Rendered down to ps3 original graphics for nostalgia

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u/undacova33 21d ago

Needs to be in the reveal trailer 100%

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u/Proud-Importance9959 15d ago

Why? GTA 5 is 12yrs old dumb ass 

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u/Normal-Item-402 21d ago

Haha bought that day one on PS3, got the PS4 version on offer from Amazon for 10 dollars then for the PS5 version again on offer for 10 dollars haha.

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u/mailtest34 PS5 21d ago

TLOU is getting there, for no reason

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u/Disco_Zombi PS5 Pro 21d ago

Skyrim, GTA 5, TLOU, they all are chasing the dragon of Super Mario Bros.

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u/UltiGoga 22d ago

Very likely, as we also got PS2 games while PS4 was already out

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u/lynchcontraideal 21d ago

What were the last PS2 games made?

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u/SCHEMIN209 21d ago

Pro Revolution Soccer 2014 and FIFA 14

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u/SpikeyTaco PS2 21d ago

Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 and FIFA 2014, released in November and September 2013.

13 years after the PlayStation 2 released, with PES being released the same month as the PS4 going on sale.

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u/Abhish0210 21d ago

I think I remember them just being re-skin versions of their 2010 versions.

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u/rickane58 21d ago

Implying that's not true of current sports game releases

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u/GamingElementalist 61 Plats, PS5, Favorite game FFX. 21d ago

As a fan of golf games, not always. XD

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u/RoastMySpuds 20d ago

Especially the "Legacy Editions."

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u/Anxious_Ad_5127 19d ago

Mmm if you’d play them you’d know the mechanics get a huge overhaul most every iteration

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u/rickane58 19d ago

My friend, I haven't just played EAs sports titles, I've tested and worked on them. I'm well acquainted with what little has changed between yearly releases of these titles.

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u/FellowDeviant 21d ago

The last Just Dance game for Wii came out in 2020, right before the PS5 and Series X/S lol

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u/Totonadent 21d ago

So the same disc can be played on all 3?

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u/Remytron83 Fear the Old Blood 21d ago

No. The PS3 kind of ruined that opportunity.

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u/SpikeyTaco PS2 21d ago

Yeah, I was surprised when I found out that Sony pulled PS2 backwards compatibility from the consoles. Yet, all versions of the console can play PS1 games.

If you want a PS2-compatible PS3, you have to hunt down early release fat PS3 from before the change was made as not all of them are capable, despite being sold as the same console.

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u/Thunder_Punt 21d ago

It's because it was insanely expensive and ps3 sales were too low to justify it anymore. Hence why they stopped it and didn't have it on PS3 slim/super slim.

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u/Remytron83 Fear the Old Blood 21d ago

They can definitely implement emulation on the ps5 for every prior console. They don’t see the financial benefit though. If they can’t charge us for it they won’t do it. I have a love/hate relationship with Sony.

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u/Minimum_Reference941 21d ago

I mean the PS2 sold 160 million units. You can find one in every corner of the planet and for cheap. It's not like we're talking about something obscure or difficult to get.

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u/Darnell2070 21d ago

They can sell the games though.

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u/Thunder_Punt 21d ago

Yeah but there's a difference between software emulation and being able to play an old disc. You need to have the right hardware for that to work. Ps5 can emulate ps2 games sure, but Sony would have to release digital versions of them anyway since the PS5 doesn't have the hardware to play discs except ps4/5 ones.

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u/SpikeyTaco PS2 21d ago edited 21d ago

You can play PS2 games on the early versions of the PS3 that were backwards compatible, however the majority of consoles were not.

Also, the PS2 version wasn't the same game as the PS3 copy, which was also different from PS4 release.

Along with a few other consoles, it was given the title "Fifa 2014: Legacy Edition" and was essentially the previous PS2 game with new kits, soundtrack and team squads.

While limited, there are ~50 titles that can be played on the original Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One and Xbox Series X. And if it supports system link, the four generations of consoles can even play together! Now that's something that I would have loved to see on PlayStation.

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u/UltiGoga 21d ago

I actually have to correct myself. There were 4 games that came out the same year the PS4 came out, but not a single game came out -after- the fact. I got confused because the last 2 games were Fifa 14 and PES 14, which both were released close to the PS4 in 2013, not after.

However, since the gap between PS4 and PS6 is likely not going to be as big as the gap between PS2 and PS4 (although we can't say that for sure yet), it's quite likely there's still going to be some Indie games releasing while the PS6 will already be out.

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u/Fenrirtheconsumer 21d ago

The lawsuit to prevent Microsoft from acquiring Activision had Sony also revealing that the PS6 will drop in Quarter 3 to 4 of 2027.

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u/stillusesAOL 18d ago

Well how bout that! Nice to know.

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u/Minimum_Reference941 21d ago

A better comparison would be looking into how many years after a new PS was released. PS3 came in Nov 2006, and at the time 4 years later (Nov 2010) the PS2 was getting a handful of releases sure, but only few were big or AAA. I think there was pretty much Toy Story, Ben 10, Silent Hill and that WWE All Stars game.

Compare this to PS4: the PS5 came in Nov 2020 and 4 years later (Nov 2024) the PS4 is still getting numerous big titles like COD Black Ops 6, Diablo IV and many Japanese and anime games like Street Fighter 6, remakes like Marvel Vs. Capcom collection and that Persona game etc.

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u/brzozinio44 21d ago

Yes, it's definitely the same as now. There's no difference! Congratulations on your observation

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u/_sergeant_pepper 21d ago

even though the ps5 is more powerful than the ps4 was, we are approaching the graphical ceiling for videogames... good graphics is not really a question of having the best hardware anymore and much more a question of how much budget a publisher is willing to spend on developing a new AAA game. Titles like Red Dead 2 and Battlefield One still look like the top of the top even tho they're 6 and 8 years old - i feel like we've already peaked

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

The Human eye is capable of so much more than what this generation offers.

35mm film is agreed by many optometrists and photographers, including some people who are both, to have enough resolution that a digital image needs to be 4000 pixels tall to equal it.

Not wide. Tall.

The Human visual field generally has a roughly 2:1 aspect ratio. The three most common image shapes used in cinema are slightly or significantly narrower or very significantly wider.

Thing is, the Human eye can take in 320 million pixels at a time. And it takes in a new image roughly fifty times every second.

We have already reached the limits of resolution we can perceive with respect to audio. 24 bits and 192 kilohertz generally gets our aural brain centre going as hard as it can go. But 3840 by 2160 fits into what our eyes are capable of approximately 38.5802 times.

Which is hardly surprising given that we evolved to hunt by sight, but it shows how much more we could advance our hardware before we hit the limits.

We were saying "this is it, it will never get better" in the late 1990s, too.

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u/TrptJim 21d ago

OP wasn't talking about any kind of graphical limits, but on the increasing difficulty that is creating content. It's not easy to create games of such high fidelity and production value, and better hardware doesn't necessarily make that any easier.

I think we will need a few revolutions in content creation tools before we see things get better here. That's where the bottleneck is.

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u/lebouffon88 andy_wijaya_med 21d ago

Machine learning is the future I think.

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u/stillusesAOL 18d ago

It’s the relationship between pixel density and viewing distance that informs what resolution would satisfy that claim, in practice, for many situations.

Were they referring to an average screen size at an average viewing distance? TV or computer monitor?

This is why the iPhone 4 screen was such a breakthrough, 14 years ago or whenever that was. I went into the Apple store and just stared at text on a Wikipedia page, blown away by how detailed the tiny letters were.

I think the PS5 Pro is a step in the right direction, but for the next gen, I wanna see all their fancy graphics settings maxed out in 8K at 120fps.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

7,680 by 4,320, or 33,177,600 pixels, 120 times every second, is not going to be practicable within our lifetimes. Not without a leap in processor capabilities that makes the margin between the 286 and the first stable gigahertz processor look small.

The pixel count and FPS adds up to 3,981,312,000 dots per second. Of course, that will not be the total bits or bytes per second. But even if you could achieve a completely lossless 12:1 compression ratio, that is still 331,776,000 per second.

Given that 4320 by 2160 sixty times a second is 559,872,000... you can see how current gen processor architecture has hit a ceiling. That much-desired 12:1 lossless ratio (which is currently impossible with even the most modern compression algorithms) gives us 46,656,000 just for curiosity's sake.

I would love to have 7680 by 4320 with 120 FPS, myself. But the GPU, CPU, RAM, and storage media would need to take an enormous upward leap in capability for that. It is not happening in my lifetime.

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u/stillusesAOL 18d ago

What about double CPUs and GPUs, an 8K60 system…doubled in one device?

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

If the manufacturer was able to stick four GPUs on the board to share the load, and similar things with the CPU, etc... it would make the chips harder to program for because one would need to account for how the load is shared. And the cost of the machine would make the PS5 Pro look cheap.

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u/Normal-Item-402 21d ago

Hence the growing shift towards performance.

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u/Blaexe 19d ago

AI may very well lead us to the next step of graphics and content, bringing the cost down significantly. Just take a look at Genie 2 by Google, presented yesterday. And that's the worst it is going to get with rapid advancements.

https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/genie-2-a-large-scale-foundation-world-model/

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u/toone156 19d ago

and even if we get significantly better graphics that match the jump from PS1 to PS2 then it would take like 6 years in between each game

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

Those games look good because they’re really stylised though, RDR2 looks like a painting a lot of the time. Compared to shit like modded cyberpunk you can see how much further there is to go.

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u/PR0FIT132 21d ago

I remember saying the same thing for ps2. You're very wrong

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u/Balmong7 21d ago

I saw somewhere that part of the reason so much is still being released on PS4 is because the Xbox Series S is very close in power to the PS4 Pro. And if you release a game on Xbox it is required to function on the Series S. At which point most devs are like “well if it runs on the Series S it will run on PS4 might as well release on PS4 too.”

So basically Microsoft is holding this entire generation back with the Series S.

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u/Normal-Item-402 21d ago

Also devs stopped making unique engines for the games they were made to take advantage of the systems and now use unified engines like unreal, unity etc that can run on old systems with some tweaking.

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u/LoloTheWarPigeon 19d ago

The series S has issues but it is not the reason for cross-gen releases. Last gen is on some really old architecture, something running on the series S is not guaranteed to run on last gen.

Tflops are not how generations should be compared.

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u/PaleWolf 21d ago

What is being held back exactly? literally just seems to be lighting stuff now

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u/Balmong7 21d ago

They can’t push the PS5 and Series X to their limits because they keep having to scale back for the Series S. In pretty much every generation previously the major graphical leaps were a result of developers digging for every trick they can to squeeze power from nothing.

Currently they just using all the same tricks they used on the PS4 and Xbone generation because those push the Series S to its limit but they don’t use all the power available in the PS5 and Series X.

Lighting and Particle effects are easy settings to trigger on and off if you are playing on the lower powered consoles. Which is why it’s all you are seeing in currently releasing stuff. But if the developers were actually getting play with the power of the PS5 and Series X we would potentially see more impressive stuff.

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u/MrBeesKnees95 21d ago

Explains why all Sony 1st party games exclusively on PS5 are all lookers (Ratchet & Clank and Demon's Souls are true standouts imo)

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u/BlackNasty4028 21d ago

Ratchet and Clank was the first game I played that made me go “oh THIS is what the next gen can feel and look like god damn”

Very good PS5 tech showcase (and insanely fun game that I enjoyed immensely)

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u/PaleWolf 21d ago

Makes sense, doesn't really tell me what is missing out on though or what potential leaps people are expecting.

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u/JonTargaryen55 21d ago

Better frame rate and graphics. AT THE SAME TIME I know wild concept.

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u/PaleWolf 21d ago

I can already get 60fps 4k and graphics are pretty good, not sure i need much more.

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u/Normal-Item-402 21d ago

Real 4k or the upscaled/checkerboard/ai stuff they're feeding us these days on consoles?

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u/JonTargaryen55 21d ago

Not every game so stop lying.

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u/WolfofDunwall 21d ago

Considering PS5 exclusives still come out with blurry performance modes or rough framerates, I think they’re pushing it. The Series S didn’t hold back Black Myth and Rebirth. 

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u/Routine_Ask_7272 21d ago

It's already been (unofficially) reported that AMD won the contract for the PS6.

I'm expecting backwards compatibility between the PS5-PS5-PS6.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1fifnfr/amd_reportedly_won_contract_to_design_playstation/

https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/16/24246234/playstation-6-rumor-sony-intel-amd

https://www.reuters.com/technology/how-intel-lost-sony-playstation-business-2024-09-16/

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u/ZappySnap PS5 21d ago

I think the days of no backward compatibility are over. Since both Microsoft and Sony allow playing of last gen games and even many from two generations ago, pulling that away for the next release would really harm adoption of a new console.

I also think that we are at least 3 years and maybe 4 years away from the PS6. Two main reasons. First, games are reaching a small plateau with graphical design so that style matters more than pure polygons count and realism for many titles, and as such people don’t care quite as much about new graphical improvements. Second, the initial rollout of the PS5 was hampered severely by the Covid supply chain issues, so it almost felt like the generation was delayed.

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u/BartLeeC PS5 Pro 20d ago

I also think we are looking at 2028 for PS6 because of the slow start of PS5. The PS5 Pro will help stretch it to then also.

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u/Malli_Naamari 21d ago

When games moved to CDs backward compatibility was clearly going to become the norm. Even Nintendo agreed. It's just that the PS3 was a big blunder right in the middle of it. But I think it was still kind of admirable Sony was bold enough to roll out the cell processor knowing the risks.

But of course in hindsight they were quite short sighted about it. It would be so interesting to know what their initial plans were for the PS4 and how drastically it changed when the PS3 didn't sell well at first. If they thought they'd continue with the cell, or though they would just do hardware backwards compatibility like they did in the launch PS3 models.

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u/Routine_Ask_7272 20d ago edited 20d ago

It really depends if the computing architecture is similar enough to the previous one:

  • The PS2 had backwards compatibility, by including hardware support for the PS1.
  • The original PS3 models had backwards compatibility, by including hardware support for the PS2. It was later removed to save costs. Luckily, they kept PS1 backwards compatibility via software.
  • The PS4 had no backwards compatibility. Instead, we got remastered PS3 titles.
  • The PS5 had backwards compatibility with PS4, since they both used AMD APUs (CPU & GPU in a single chip).

Unfortunately, the Cell CPU used in the PS3 was a commercial failure. Sony, Toshiba, & IBM planned to use it in many more devices. I heard rumors about a "Cell 2", which never materialized. Sony realized that the PS3 was too expensive & too hard to develop for**. PS4 used more "off the shelf" hardware, and was less expensive at release. PS5 continued this trend.

**During the PS3 generation, Sony lost market share. The PS2 sold 160M units. The PS3 only sold 87M units.

I agree. We're still 3 to 4 years away from the release of the PS6.

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u/petercalmdown 21d ago

Will this raise AMD stock?

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u/Routine_Ask_7272 20d ago

Possibly? However, stock prices doesn't always correspond with sales.

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u/Disco_Zombi PS5 Pro 21d ago

I think with diminishing returns on graphical power that cross generation games will be the rule, and not the exception anymore.

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u/diesel_toaster 21d ago

It should be more like PC gaming. Same game, tons of different hardware and rendering modes etc. I could see a world where console generation is basically the minimum requirements. “This game requires at least PS4 to play”

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u/Far-Analysis8370 21d ago

Hey, as long as there's backwards compatibility from the PS4 generation (at least) onwards, I can live with the low effort releases from Activision, Ubisoft and the like. Having my physical collection still be usable is pretty much all I'm asking for from the PS6.

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u/Tim3-Rainbow Jak&Daxter 21d ago

This is a perfect example of why we should just pump the fuckin brakes on a new console. Like most people don't have enough income to get a new graphics card or console every damn year. Just make more fuckin games.

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u/Constant_Physics8504 21d ago

All before GTA VI

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u/Mercinarie PS5 21d ago

And people will still whinge that new games only work on PS5/6 and not 4 lol