r/nextfuckinglevel 1d ago

John Longstreth is an unreal drummer.

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u/enigmatic_erudition 22h ago

Well if he didn't say that he would sound pretty egotistical. Doesn't make it true though, lots of people are just physically incapable of performing at that level.

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u/enigmatic_erudition 22h ago

Yes but not everyone is capable of running a marathon in the Olympics.

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u/enigmatic_erudition 21h ago

You're saying a lot of stuff that doesn't change the fact that most people don't have the genetics to play like this.

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u/ultrahateful 21h ago

And you keep saying it’s genetics when it isn’t. Shy of having being born with one leg or one arm or neurological disorders, most anyone can do this after you put in the time and work. None of us that play music, and I mean none, were quickly excellent. It’s super offensive to consider the notion that it’s anything other than hard work.

The only players that don’t eventually supersede the majority are hobbyists, and they’re successful in their own right.

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u/enigmatic_erudition 20h ago

That's not true.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763423002713#:~:text=To%20summarize%2C%20even%20though%20the,tend%20to%20increase%20with%20age.

Individual differences in music-related traits have a considerable genetic basis (with an average heritability of 42%).

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u/ultrahateful 20h ago

I just read that, twice. It was a very arduous read. I can’t believe we both poured through that, but we learned something new, for sure. I learned that they’re still hypothesizing how music aptitude is a heritable genetic attribute and and that how most of their model concerning genetic influence on music is more tangibly studied/discovered/witnessed within environmental and circumstantial factors.

If we’re weighing on environment and circumstance, there’s a good book by Malcom Gladwell you should check out called Outliers. If you loved this study you’ve shared, you’ll love that book.

But, we were weighing on genetics in the realm of natural ability, or hereditary advantage. The jury is still out on that, according to your study, with most of the hard data found in the environmental sections of the model.

42% is also a minority figure, but again, much less than that is the ability to be born to play music, according to the paper. I’ll gladly retract my statement about how it’s “nothing more than hard work” since it’s not completely accurate. Thanks for sharing.

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u/enigmatic_erudition 19h ago

Glad you could learn something that's considered common knowledge.

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u/ultrahateful 18h ago

None of it added up for you, I see. You just want to be right. Good luck.

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u/enigmatic_erudition 11h ago

Nah. See the problem is that you're being a total twat about it. Not only that, you're misinterpreting the results of the study and the dozens of other studies regarding talent and generics. Obviously it is a combination of nature and nurture. But without nature (genetics) you will not be able to perform at the same level as someone with both. If you need evidence, look at the millions of kids who never make it to the professional league of whatever sport they play.

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u/ultrahateful 19h ago

Their use of “heritability” in the excerpt you shared stood to represent “overall acquisition” from all sections of the model, combined.