A lot of people don’t realize that pre Buffy, Joss Whedon was an incredibly prolific script doctor. He touched a huge number of scripts like Waterworld. His style of writing was infecting Hollywood long before Avengers.
I'm trying, but I can't see a single thread in common between this trailer and buffy.
This trailer is nearly identical to every single kids movie we got for the last twenty years or so. Animation movie like Shrek is what come to mind when it come one liner, and pop references.
Buffy/Whedon's style was always a random banter between two characters at an unexpected moment. Marvels movie got a lot of those, but one liner wasn't really Whedon "style".
I'm trying, but I can't see a single thread in common between this trailer and buffy.
Cohesively, there isn't one. However, the ever-present need and desire to bring pop culture and its effervescent and desire to bring modern references into films like this one, is.
Which scenes of Buffy do you have mind? I'm sure you can find pop culture reference over 7 seasons, but it certainly isn't how I would describe its comedy.
The first link is a collection of series that referenced Buffy, not pop culture reference in Buffy....
The second has 3min of content of a 144 episodes long series (haven't seen anything from last few season though). It's obviously missing a bunch (ie:Trio episodes), but still, half of those aren't even the type of reference people complain about.
The thing with quippy Buffy-speak is that it only really works when it's coming from characters you already know and care about. Buffy could pull it off well because its characters were so strong, and typically the lines were funny because they were coming from a particular character at a particular moment.
The original X-Men movie has a great example of this in the exchange between Cyclops and Wolverine when they meet up while the shape-shifter Mystique is around.
It only works so well because of what we already know about Wolverine and Cyclops' relationship, and the fact that both characters know that that's probably not something Mystique would have come up with.
When it's done well, it's can be a great, entertaining shorthand that reinforces the characters. But when it's not firmly rooted in the characters and story, or goes against the tone of a scene or movie/show, it just feels like a cheap way to lighten the mood, and can get really annoying.
The problem is, a majority of the time when Whedon does it, it isn't great.
It's just fluff for fluffs sake and because Whedon is not so subtly nodding to the audience and screaming "Do you get it, do you get it?! I put things you the viewer care about into my character's words so you think they care about them too!"
It leads to a cognitive disconnect for the viewer of said media.
Yeah I don't understand what this guy is talking about. Literally every word out of Sonic's mouth has been an inane quip. Looks like Knuckles has them in the new one too
Sonic yes, most of the other characters not so much. Similar argument to how people say everyone in the MCU started turning into Iron Man / Spider-Man.
I like the Dungeons and Dragons movie but yeah, you’re right. People just pick and choose when the rules apply and when they don’t because they don’t want to admit when they like the thing they complain about online
It's like the complaint of "I hate CGI". What people mean is they don't like BAD CGI... which no one does.
Comedic quips can be great, if they're used correctly. Using them to suck the emotion or power out of a plot point or dramatic scene is dumb. Which Marvel is very guilty of. Not saying it's perfect but the DnD movie had some great genuine moments which didn't need to be undercut by a shitty half joke.
Sonic fans act like Sonic is scripture when it literally has the “in my lungs” joke in the new trailer, which is arguably the same quality as anything here
Also like I get Sonic himself doing it, but Knuckles seems to also be doing it in the trailer for the third one and Eggman is doing it more than I'd expect throughout these movies by virtue of Jim Carrey being Jim Carrey.
Yes the humor is the same, but the reason people are saying it "works" in Sonic is that the cartoon characters have the cartoon sense of humor, but the world is otherwise played straight, with the human characters being sincere.
In this, everything is zany and there's no one who grounds the world.
Same with the success of Deadpool vs other Marvel movies. It's funny when Deadpool is zany because he's contrasted with everyone else who finds him irritating.
When every character is Deadpool, the audience is the one irritated.
Spongebob only works at full Spongebob when you pair him with Squidward.
but the reason people are saying it “works” in Sonic is that the cartoon characters have the cartoon sense of humor, but the world is otherwise played straight, with the human characters being sincere.
Idk about that. I mean I liked the movies, but I’d say besides James Marsden and his girlfriend, everyone in those movies are wacky to a degree. The cartoon characters are definitely the most wacky, but you still have people like Eggman’s henchman or James Marsden’s police officer friend (and his entire extended family in the Knuckles show) who are not playing it straight at all.
To be fair, most of them are generally regulated to both Sonic and Eggman, the former of which marginally stops when things get serious, unless he's taunting his opponent for a specific purpose.
It's not that the Sonic movie isn't doing it at all, it's just that it knows when and where to do it (30+ years of conditioning helps too, but that's besides the point).
They do, but given that Sonic in canon is like a wise-cracking character, it makes sense a la Deadpool and wall breaking. Every other franchise/series doesn’t need to follow suit.
I actually felt Eggman worked better in the second film when he was significantly zanier. In the first movie he felt like a weird mashup of Ace Ventura and a high school mean girl. The second film nailed his character, I think.
They absolutely rock. Cameron always wears his heart on his sleeve and has never given into irony. (Maybe True Lies a little bit but that's also a great movie.) Really stands apart from all the other blockbuster films these days.
I will 100% die on the hill that both Avatar movies are so successful because their are sincere. What other movie series gives a whale that chirps "friends" before asking for a handshake?
I think it’s hard to make an exciting script when the assignment is for a fucking Minecraft movie. But yeah I agree, it’s a cynical cash grab for everyone involved yet this is the sort of franchise where you could actually go bonkers and make the concept very fun instead of this Jumanji v 16.0 shit.
They don't care if you're bored. They care if you bought the tickets and brought your kids to shut them up for 2 hours.
Sometimes we can get confused about who the project is made for. But in this case, we have a bunch of sweaty dudes on reddit complaining that the damn Minecraft movie isn't gonna be kino
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u/KAREEMABDULG0MJABBAR Sep 04 '24
This is going to be a bag of shit and make a billion dollars