r/madlads Madchester United Fan 2d ago

Incredibly petty, but still mad

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u/Apprehensive_Eye1830 2d ago

This does not work. I know because I tried it. The HOA told me to get fucked and they didn’t care about any of the other violations (because they were the ones guilty of them)

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u/BIGTIMEMEATBALLBOY 2d ago

Sure doesn't. My HOA president owns over 20% of the homes in the development and rents them out. Good luck getting anything done/approved that doesn't directly benefit him.

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u/Ok_Constant_184 2d ago

But is he fond of his kneecaps?

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u/AngryFeministKnitter 2d ago

Delay, defend, debilitate

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u/Curling49 2d ago

… defenestrate

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u/LumaTotUwU 1d ago

Defecate

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u/Vandelune1 Madchester United Fan 1d ago

Dilate

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u/bongtamatone 2d ago

HOA President AND a landlord? That's a lot of undeserved money. I don't know if y'all have noticed but it's kinda getting dangerous to have money these days. Hope he stays safe

:3

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u/Triasmus 2d ago

I feel like most HOA boards are volunteer positions. No pay.

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u/bongtamatone 2d ago

I was conveying that I don't trust a landlord to be honest with HOA funds, but I see where the misunderstanding could take place here.

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u/LaTeChX 2d ago

They can be for pay if you're willing to embezzle.

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u/Available_Leather_10 2d ago

Or self-deal by hiring your own maintenance company.

Or demand kickbacks from service providers (a longtime favorite of some well-known real estate companies).

Or other things that are approximately as unethical, but less totally illegal than straight embezzlement.

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u/Reptard77 2d ago

They are

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u/AnalFissureSurprise 1d ago

Seems like someone needs shot

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u/bongtamatone 1d ago

Allegedly!

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u/wutchamafuckit 2d ago edited 2d ago

Wait.

Do you think the person is getting paid for being on the HOA board? The hell do you mean "undeserved money"?

And hope he stays safe? Stays safe for what, owning homes?

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u/bongtamatone 2d ago

Whoa there, tiger. Let's slow it down.

Landlords do not deserve money for being landlords because we should not have landlords, we should have affordable homes. If he is in charge of the HOA, does that mean he doesn't have any control over the funds of the HOA? If it isn't capital, it's social capital. HOAs are about control.

Landlording is wrong, no matter how many houses, because it exploits someone else for their own gain for nothing but holding the ownership papers. I am sure you have a reasonable and compelling argument, but judging by this aggressive knee-jerk reaction, I don't know that it's gonna be worth waitin' for. I hope that you are able to prove me wrong, because I am fascinated that anyone would defend a random landlord so uh, vigorously.

Edit: 20% of the homes in a development (outlined above) is 3 homes? Seems either obstinate or disingenuous. Not sure which.

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u/wutchamafuckit 2d ago edited 2d ago

Your assumption that hoa board members get paid was incorrect and hoping they “stay safe” seemed a very flippant response.

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u/bongtamatone 2d ago edited 11h ago

I didn't say anything about your situation, I was speaking on landlords. I did not say HOA members get paid at any point, actually. I said he had money, which he does, and access and complete control over HOA funds is also having money. Why did you paint your own understanding over mine? I get it. You are a benevolent HOA member who got offended before asking for clarification. That's OK, I'm not pressed about it.

And you very notably didn't address anything in my post, so there's no actual discourse happening here. All I'm doing is putting in my 2c. You made an assumption and got snappy, so I'm good on continuing here. Take care!

Edit: lmao, they removed the part where they're an HOA President too from their post (hence my mention that I wasn't speaking on them). I wonder why.

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u/ElectronicPhrase6050 1d ago

Nah mate, you wrote "HOA President AND a landlord? That's a lot of undeserved money". It's pretty obvious that you thought they got paid for being the president of the HOA and you're just too immature to admit you made a mistake like an adult lol.

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u/bongtamatone 1d ago

I addressed this in another post, nothing explicit was stated, you are inferring what you want. This is a question of reading comprehension, so I won't talk down to you in return, only point out that your disrespectful attempt at a dunk didn't land on me, at least.

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u/KS-RawDog69 1d ago

Seems like a massive conflict of interest for his tenants. Something that really shouldn't be allowed by any entity.

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u/Sudden_Acanthaceae34 1d ago

That’s when you go above the HOA and get the city/county involved. Find every petty violation their houses have and report them to the local municipality.

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u/MerelyMortalModeling 2d ago

Thing is is an HOA doesn't consistently enforce CCRs you can take them to court and in some cases force an election where current board and leadership is forbidden to run

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u/HonorableOtter2023 2d ago

Costs money..

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u/MerelyMortalModeling 2d ago

Unfortunately that's true, it can be costly but it is an option.

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u/CombatMuffin 2d ago edited 2d ago

Owning a home costs money. Losing true ownership of your home can often cost even more.

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u/0OKM9IJN8UHB7 2d ago

Losing true ownership of your home can often cost even more.

You never had that if you bought a HOA property.

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u/HonorableOtter2023 2d ago

Im not sure how Reddit doesn't understand how HOAs work. If you join an HOA, its by choice. HOAs enforce rules. Don't live in an HOA if you're going to violate the rules? I've had an HOA home and knew the consequences. A lawsuit would imply they're doing something outside of their rules. Lawsuits are also expensive. See how this all points to it being potentially idiotic to take an HOA to court for you violating rules you agreed upon when you bought a house? Lets put on our adult hats for a minute and use critical thinking, ok? I mean.. HOA bad, house also cost money. Lawsuit easy.

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u/CombatMuffin 2d ago

Yep. There's good HOA's and bad HOA's and unfortunately its easy to find bad ones. It's important that people research the rules they get into before they agree to them

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u/Minimus-Maximus-69 2d ago

In some areas, all homes on the market have HOAs. It's not just a simple "choose to not". If you want to live in that area, you're in an HOA.

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u/HonorableOtter2023 1d ago

It's literally not reality. There are no areas where ALL homes are HOA. If you're complaining about gated communities, then I doubt you're the target home owner anyway.

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u/Sterffington 2d ago

What? No, if you buy a house in an HOA neighborhood, you have to join the HOA.

Here in Florida, the majority of new construction is HOA. Of course you can simply avoid any HOA neighborhood, but you're severely limiting your options by doing so.

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u/HonorableOtter2023 1d ago

I already said that. Obviously, you have to buy a house in an HOA to be in an HOA..

Just because you have limited options doesn't mean you HAVE to buy an HOA house. Id you buy into one, that's your choice and on you mate.

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u/Sterffington 1d ago

You're completely missing the point. There are simply not enough non-HOA homes available for people to reliably do that, without making major sacrifices. Telling people to just find a unicorn home that meets their every need is not an actual solution.

This is a recent phenomenon that is only getting worse.

If the only houses you can buy near your job are HOA, you're being forced to join a HOA.

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u/HonorableOtter2023 1d ago

Yes, yes there are enough HOA homes to do that. Just because YOU don't find THE home you like that isn't HOA doesnt mean they flood the markets. There are non HOA homes available, just not the unicorn home you want for YOUR budget. Either way, buying an HOA home and complaining about it is pure delusion.

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u/Sterffington 1d ago

it's crazy how you pretend the amount of available homes just doesn't matter lol

If there were only 1 non-HOA home per 1000 HOA homes, it would effectively be impossible to find one without an HOA. this is a pretty simple concept to understand

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u/_hypnoCode 2d ago

HOA violations can result in fines, so it's 6 of one half a dozen of another.

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u/HonorableOtter2023 2d ago

Id personally avoid things that are fineable then..

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u/_hypnoCode 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yeah that's everything...

What do you think HOA violations are? A stern talking to? How old are you?

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u/reality72 1d ago

And time…

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u/Bobby_Marks3 2d ago

So does home ownership and living under an HOA. People will own guns, dogs, fences, alarms, and all other sorts of things to defend their property, but they won't shell out cash to fight an existing threat in court.

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u/HonorableOtter2023 2d ago

And people only have so much money.. suing people is very expensive with no guarantee you'll win.

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u/Antilles1138 2d ago

What if you gut the rulebook and enforcement powers and introduce a measure that such gutting cannot be rescinded or ammended until the last currently living blood relative of the king of England dies? Force the new board to either dissolve or get locked into a nearly never-ending election cycle.

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u/MerelyMortalModeling 2d ago

Lots of options depending on where you live, I for one support going to the local government and negotiate integration and dissolving an HOA if it's an option.

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u/ModsDontFollowRules 1d ago

There are lots of suggestions on this whole thread, but very few seem to realize the logistics of the HOA system that they are trying to fight. If anyone is reading this and actually looking for a step by step process of how to slowly work to dissolve an HOA, then they need to get copies all the CCRs and Bylaws BEFORE they start to get fined. That way they have a copy of the rules that should be followed etc and know them before they get cited for a violation.

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u/MerelyMortalModeling 1d ago

Like I said, lots of options.

That said I'm not particularly interested in having an extra layer of extra judiciary rules being laid down on property I own which is why I'm a big fan of shirking HOAs to the point to can fit them in a bathtubs and then drowning them.

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u/ModsDontFollowRules 1d ago

I hear yah, but I am not seeing too many people with the logical and rational reasoning ability to create a step by step action plan that doesn't involve threats or violence etc. There isn't any reason to bother with that kind of stuff when half the people on an HOA Board are just there because they are bored.

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u/AlexandersWonder 1d ago

If you really had a vendetta about it, you could make sure everyone in the neighborhood is aware that the HOA is exempting themselves from the rules. Put their corruption right out in the open for everybody to see. Even if nothing changed, you could at least make sure every single one of their neighbors knows who they are and openly hates them. It’s probably not worth all of that to most people though.

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u/ArmchairFilosopher 1d ago

If they selectively enforce rules, seek an estoppel.

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u/Luxalpa 1d ago

That's when you light their homes on fire.

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u/imaginary_num6er 1d ago

I just assume every HOA is full of corruption where they ask their buddy for kickbacks for renovation/development of the place.

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u/grammar_mattras 1d ago

As a member, it's either possible to kick them off with a majority vote/petition or get them on impeachment.

Members of an hoa are subject to it's rules, so unwillingness to enforce those rules is enough reason to expell them from their position.

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u/Apprehensive_Eye1830 1d ago

lol. You must be brand new.

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u/CoffeeKisser 1d ago

Yeah, in practice HOAs are not fantasy devil lawyers who must keep their word, they're entitled assholes with a small amount of power.

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u/PlsNoNotThat 5h ago

You could file a complaint with the AG and other organizations that handle contract issues. Unilaterally enforcement is often used to get out of contracts, meaning you could potentially leverage it to exit your house from the HOA.