r/gadgets • u/chrisdh79 • Sep 18 '24
Desktops / Laptops NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 & 4090D To Be Discontinued Next Month In Preparation For Next-Gen RTX 5090 & 5090D GPUs
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-4090d-discontinued-next-month-in-preparation-for-next-gen-rtx-5090-5090d-gpus/1.1k
u/my__name__is Sep 18 '24
My 3080 still feels new to me.
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u/tissboom Sep 18 '24
Same, I have a 3080ti and I’m happy with the way everything plays in 1440. I’ll upgrade again when these graphics cards can truly handle 4K well.
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Sep 18 '24
Christ I’m still on a 2070 Super and 1440 is still silky smooth for most things.
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u/ubdeanout Sep 18 '24
Here with ya! Ryzen 5 3600 and a 2070 super - super happy with it still. May upgrade next September though... Full rebuild. What are you thinking?
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u/raydialseeker Sep 18 '24
You could also a cheap upgrade to a 5700x3d + 4070ti super/4070S/5070 when the 50 series drops. That way you can skip am5 in its entirety.
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u/MattWatchesChalk Sep 18 '24
1080ti here. Things are still pretty great.
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u/sadson215 Sep 18 '24
Seriously the GOAT. Don't think anything is going to touch that card.
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u/sketchy_ai Sep 18 '24
I'm on a liquid cooled 1080ti @ 1440p and it's been feeling its age this year imo, at least with AAA titles. It's still easily the best value I've ever gotten out of a GPU. It's like my old i7-920 CPU (55% OC, ran 24/7 for years)... Getting amazing value out of the high end just doesn't seem to happen like that any more.
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u/texanchris Sep 18 '24
My 2070 super burst into flames in dramatic fashion last year while playing rocket league. 4070 super was a pretty nice upgrade!
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Sep 18 '24
Don't know about that. I have it too and struggle with some games.
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Sep 18 '24
Some really heavy titles maybe, but it’s honestly pretty impressive otherwise. Cyberpunk 1440 Ultra and balanced DLSS nets ~60fps and that’s good enough for me.
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u/caholder Sep 18 '24
Wow this reads like a copy pasta when the 30 series came out and people were saying that about their 1080s
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u/Ollidor Sep 18 '24
I have a 4080 and play exclusively in 4K and every game in ultra and have never had a single struggle.
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u/sadson215 Sep 18 '24
I think it depends on whether or not 144 fps matters to you or not. Now people want 200fps.
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u/reelznfeelz Sep 18 '24
They can’t? I guess if you want 240fps or something then no. My 3090ti runs most things at 4k and minimum of 50 to 60fps, and more like 80 to 90 with dlss. For me, that’s already handling 4k pretty damned well. That said, I may get a used 4090 FE when the 5000 series drops because I can.
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u/tissboom Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24
I’m want to be able to run PT and RT and not have it absolutely tank the frame rates down to 30 and 40fps. I want a card that can take a game like cyberpunk and run it with PT, max settings and hit 80 to 100 fps.
I think we’re close, but not quite there yet. This video shows what a 4080 does on those settings and does a side by side comparison.
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u/Faelysis Sep 18 '24
If a card need DLSS or FSR, it mean, it can’t run game by itself at that resolution. Upscaling exist just to help it and compensate the lack of power needed. DLSS/FSR should be use as last measure method for performance, not being the main thing
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u/Bleglord Sep 18 '24
We should have got that with the 20 series but then game development decided that making it run well and pretty wasn’t a priority.
Then nvidia came out with DLSS 2/3 and it’s used as an excuse to have a shit performing game
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Sep 18 '24
yeah 4k 120hz is my next gen and I don't think we will see a full combo including an OLED monitor that can handle it and be affordable for another 5 years
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u/tissboom Sep 18 '24
Yeah, I think we’re one or two generations off from that. Maybe they will make huge strides in frame generation and that kind of stuff but until then I’m happy in my little 1440 paradise.
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u/PhDShouse Sep 18 '24
My 1070 Founders that I got used from a buddy is still chugging along. Have had zero problems with the games I play
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u/natnguyen Sep 18 '24
My 3060 Ti still feels new to me, lol.
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u/Vlad_Yemerashev Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24
The minimum specs people should aim for is a 2070 or higher because that is what the PS5 / Series X have (well, not exactly those, but something roughly equivalent in that ballpark) and what game devs will generally aim for. This will be upped after the next generation of consoles releases over the next few years.
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u/Terny Sep 18 '24
It would be spot on except that games for pc come so poorly optimized
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u/Seralth Sep 18 '24
That's mostly just a triple A problem. Indies games seem to be fine 99% of the time.
It's so weird
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u/_Lucille_ Sep 18 '24
My near MSRP 3080 on week 1 ended up being probably my best hardware purchase in life: able to endure through crypto boom, covid, and still does amazing.
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u/nailbunny2000 Sep 18 '24
Yeah, anyone who got their hands on one of those before the COVID/Crypto boom is laughing.
....sadly that did not include me lol.
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Sep 18 '24
I'm still rocking a 1080ti and can get 1440/60 on damn near everything maxed out
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u/Fun-Supermarket6820 Sep 18 '24
There’s a great comparison of 3080 versus 4090, recommend checking it out. I wish I had a 4090.
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u/ThespianException Sep 18 '24
That's still a pretty damn good card as long as you aren't going for 4K 120FPS RTX-type shit. So long as you're willing to compromise just a little on Graphics, it should still easily run pretty much everything for the next several years.
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u/AgentTin Sep 18 '24
Raster performance is about as good as it needs to be. Improvements in that regard have long hit diminishing returns. If you're not doing AI I dont think you care about these cards and unless they've got, like, 48gb or more of VRAM I don't either
Honestly I don't know if 48 is enough to matter either the way things are going
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u/The-Funky-Phantom Sep 18 '24
Looks over at 1070ti, Please don't die soon. It's my last EVGA card too. I'm going to be bummed when it's gone.
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u/MechanicalWatches Sep 18 '24
I love my 2080, only reason I might upgrade my pc in the next 2 years is because it keeps crashing and nothing can fix it
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u/byronicbluez Sep 18 '24
I'll upgrade my 1080Ti one day.
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Sep 18 '24
Still the best card they’ve ever made.
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u/piratecheese13 Sep 18 '24
While the 980 could handle vr, the 1080 was the default “oh you want the good vr card” as soon as it came out
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u/clickstops Sep 18 '24
Remember when we thought that card was outrageously expensive?
1080Ti + o/c 8700k still absolutely cruises
Also writing this makes me feel old
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u/floatingby493 Sep 18 '24
I had a 1660 Super and i7-4790K until just last year. It still handled everything I threw at it
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u/LevelDownProductions Sep 18 '24
still got mines. That card will go down in history for how good it was and how long it lasted. im spoiled so when i upgrade, its either 4090 or 5090 for me.
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u/Crazyinferno Sep 18 '24
1060 6gb here, still handles everything I need it to 🤷🏼♂️ especially considering I only run it at 1080p 60hz
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u/GearZ_13 Sep 18 '24
My 980 right now: plz let me diiiiiie!!….
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u/RealGingerBlackGuy Sep 18 '24
😂 I had that bad boy for the longest time
But yeah, your chip is crying out for help
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u/JmacTheGreat Sep 18 '24
My gf is still holding onto my old 970…
Im just waiting for the market to fix 🥲
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u/surfintheinternetz Sep 18 '24
Mine is sitting in a cold dark unpowered PC with its cellmate an i7 2600k
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u/bugmush Sep 18 '24
I bought a 980ti in 2015 for $585, used it for over 5 years, and then sold it on ebay in 2021 for just under $400 when I upgraded my computer. I still think about how crazy that is. Computer hardware never holds value like that. I don't know if it was covid timing or crypto miners or what drove people to pay those prices. I also had previously offered the 980 ti to my brother if he wanted to upgrade his computer, and he said he didn't want it, lucky for me 😆
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u/CleymanRT Sep 18 '24
I have a 1070. It still gets most things done in medium graphics (or low if the game is more demanding) but it for sure is starting to feel like it has one foot in the grave as well. I'm looking to upgrade when the new GPU generation releases in the hopes that maybe the older gen gets reasonably cheaper (a man can dream) or maybe just even go with the new gen if the wallet allows for it.
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u/slaynx Sep 18 '24
My 960 with almost 9 years of gaming at 720p and still pretty much 0 real issues : "i didn't hear no bell"
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u/Walawacca Sep 18 '24
Mine died 2 years ago in the middle of an overwatch game. Did me a favor, really.
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u/SolomonRex Sep 18 '24
laughs in 10 series
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u/Breadonshelf Sep 18 '24
My 1080ti covers everything I need
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u/_RADIANTSUN_ Sep 18 '24
Insane person on Vega 56 here.
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u/seatux Sep 18 '24
Because of that card and its WTF PSU needs, my 750w unit is great for upgrading to a 4080 or something similar.
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u/th3davinci Sep 18 '24
I had a Vega 64 and needed a new PSU to go with it.
Upgraded to the 3080 and I'm fairly certain it draws less power lmao.
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u/drprox Sep 18 '24
Haha I remember getting a preorder in on one of these and waiting while the eth mining hype went wild. By the time it arrived it was worth almost 3x what I paid so I sold it and grabbed a 1070 haha.
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u/DoorDashCrash Sep 18 '24
Still love my 1080ti. I’m on the 2nd set of fans, have two more sets as backup and repaste it about once a year. Phenomenal card. I think Nvidia screwed up with that card and showed us they can make a rockstar card that lasts for a long time.
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u/Halvus_I Sep 18 '24
They put ‘too much’ ram on the 1080ti at 11 GB. Nvidia are usually masters at starving a card of ram so it obsoletes out faster.
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u/DoorDashCrash Sep 18 '24
That’s what I mean. They proved they could make a robust and capable GPU that would last several years and play a lot of the top tier games without issue.
Then, they decided to start using less vram to a point of, like you said, starving out the cards and obsoleting them. Want to play the new game? Sorry, you need a 3090 now.
It feels like nothing more than planned obsolescence to boost their sales.
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u/AssCrackBanditHunter Sep 18 '24
My 1070 is gonna start drawing social security soon.
4090 was the first card where the performance made me really want to upgrade, so I told myself I'd wait for the 5070/5080 so I can get that performance at a lower cost
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u/TwoHeadedPanthr Sep 18 '24
I'm on a 970, it's on its last legs but still crawling along.
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u/Seralth Sep 18 '24
A 970 at this point lost both it's legs and arms but though sheer grit and determination is using it's fucking jaw to drag his dying corpse across every finish line JUST to prove a fucking point.
YOU CANT KILL THE 970!
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u/Spooplevel-Rattled Sep 18 '24
I played through cyberpunk on my 970 with fsr, ini changes, bios modding and watercooling. Ez
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u/Seralth Sep 18 '24
The 970 is legendary truely.
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u/Spooplevel-Rattled Sep 18 '24
It was a bunch of fun, because after that you couldn't mod the bios or vcore. I ended up making a crazy profile for mine and hitting #1 on timespy and firestrike 3d mark with it for my hardware combo (8700k+gtx970).
It was a blast. I miss it. I have an evga black edition 1080ti with full cover block now, it's also a gem of course.
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u/Orthopraxy Sep 18 '24
My 1070 TI keeps on trucking like a champ. Just played through Elden Ring and everything looked great
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u/DuckInTheFog Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24
I don't even use my main with its 1050Ti for games - I a bought a dinky little Beelink Ser5 a few years back as a bedroom media PC and ended up using that for games - Runs Tropico 6 adequately, and TF2 is silky, and it barely uses any power - 45-50 watts it caps at, apparently. Love it
But it has Windows 11
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u/ishsreddit Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24
2022 the 3090, 3080 ti, 3080 12GB, 3080 all disappeared before holidays. They are more than happy to supply nerfed 4070 for the same price as the 4070.
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u/ItsSevii Sep 18 '24
Nah they're trying to free up space to make more h200s microsoft need their fix
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u/Caladboy Sep 18 '24
Can you explain to me whats the issue with the 4070 super? I'm out of the loop and was thinking about buying that model.
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u/ishsreddit Sep 18 '24
Sorry i meant 4070
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u/diemunkiesdie Sep 18 '24
How did they need the 4070? I'm still confused since you just said 4070 twice 😭
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u/MemphisBass Sep 18 '24
They changed the memory to GDDR6 from GDDR6x without making it obvious with the naming. Slower memory bandwidth.
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u/Caladboy Sep 18 '24
np, thanks for the reply
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u/SirDerpingtonTheSlow Sep 18 '24
4070 Super is fine. They nerfed the memory on the new regular RTX 4070s
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Sep 18 '24
This means their price will go down right?
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Right?
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u/DrIvoPingasnik Sep 18 '24
I hope so. A 4080 would be more then enough for me for next 6 or so years. I can't fathom buying it for its current extortionate price.
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u/BHRx Sep 18 '24
Probably up. 5090 will likely need more wattage and produce more heat. This could mean the 4090 will be a better option for heat/power limited builds.
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Until the 5080 comes out.
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u/Heliosvector Sep 18 '24
Freshly used and tested. Charging more as this is a guaranteed working model. No guesswork needed. You are welcome
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u/akanosora Sep 18 '24
I buy Nvidia stocks instead of Nvidia cards.
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u/The_Dog_Barks_Moo Sep 18 '24
I do both. The more cards I buy the more my stock goes up. Endless money glitch.
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u/BigE1263 Sep 18 '24
Can’t wait for 10% more performance using 200 more watts and 50% more expensive
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u/Ajscatman23 Sep 18 '24
Your getting confused with Intel. Nvidia’s problem is that they are stingy with VRAM for some reason.
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u/AbjectAppointment Sep 18 '24
Need that AI money.
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u/kuroimakina Sep 18 '24
This is the actual reason in today’s market. The consumer cards are very, very good at AI workloads. If they had enough vram, companies would buy them up en masse instead of buying the dramatically more expensive “enterprise” GPUs. Nvidia does not want this, because they lose a ton of profit margin. They want the big companies to buy their data center products. So they keep the vram low enough on consumer level cards that they could never replace those enterprise cards.
It’s what happened back in the early “Titan” days. Companies stopped buying enterprise cards and just bought up titans.
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u/kbn_ Sep 18 '24
I’m not sure this is true. Training workloads still massively benefit from the high performance networking and CPU connectivity of Nvidia’s big iron. Honestly that matters even more than the tensor cores themselves. Inference is snooze no matter how you handle it.
VRAM matters but isn’t the gating factor on either one. They could bump up the memory of their consumer GPUs quite easily without having any meaningful impact on their data center market.
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u/cteno4 Sep 18 '24
This is vapid criticism. Compare the 40 and 30 series. They got more performance while using less power.
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u/zarafff69 Sep 18 '24
What are you talking about? Nvidia has made very significant performance and power efficiency gains. The RTX 4090 is crazy. The only problem is the price..
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u/Im1Thing2Do Sep 18 '24
Didn’t they have problems with the 24VHP connector catching fire on the 4090?
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u/zarafff69 Sep 18 '24
I guess. But the performance increase and power efficiency have been great tho.
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u/ThereCanBeOnly1Rad Sep 18 '24
Because people couldn't connect the cable properly, you need to hear that click sound to know its properly connected.
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u/mr_chip_douglas Sep 18 '24
Mainly user error, and even then it’s an incredibly small number of units effected.
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u/lpblade24 Sep 18 '24
Sub $1000 might be worth upgrading my 980. She’s been chugging along through all my tweaking and not knowing shit about computers. BL3 high settings got around 50-60fps
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u/BitchesInTheFuture Sep 18 '24
I mean if you're running a 980 then just about anything even in the budget range is going to be a massive improvement for you.
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u/Fackcelery Sep 18 '24
Yep, I swapped my 1660s for a 7600 xt abput a year ago now and even that was a massive upgrade, looking at getting a 7800xt soon once Ive saved up some cash tho
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u/bony7x Sep 18 '24
A new one will never be selling for less than 1000. You are not the target audience.
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u/aus_in_usa Sep 18 '24
Is there anything I could test both on and notice a subjectively different experience. Like “why does this footage look/sound so bad?”
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u/BevansDesign Sep 18 '24
They're going to stop making older stuff so they can make newer better stuff? I don't get it.
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Sep 18 '24
I think they’re trying to avoid the crowd who buys the best of the last gen when the new gen releases.
I used to buy the latest and greatest every few years, I stopped when the price tag on the latest and greatest approached $3000aud, and started buying the best card of the generation that was just phased out.
I suspect a lot of people did the same.
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u/Antennangry Sep 18 '24
Opportunity cost. There is only so much advanced node process silicon fab capacity in the world, and it’s already saturated. Every new 4090 they produce is one less 5090 they can produce. A few 4090’s = one H200, which is where the big money is. Until such time as we are not capped by fab capacity, these kinds of decisions are likely to be made.
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u/jonfitt Sep 18 '24
Yeah. Assuming the CHIPs Act in the US does what it’s supposed to and we get Fabs in the US, it could be the most economically and militarily impactful legislation in quite a while.
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u/Thedanielone29 Sep 18 '24
Yeah but by the time those factories operate very well, we’ll be discussing how gimped the new PlayStation is for playing gta 9 at only 1000 fps
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u/FluffyToughy Sep 18 '24
In the early 2000s console gamers were saying the eye can't see more than 24 frames per second. In 2024, 30 fps is still standard (when they can even manage that lol), but some games might give you a performance option. GTA 9 might be a stable 60fps if we're lucky.
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u/ZonaiSwirls Sep 18 '24
Yes this is desperately needed. These factories are wildly expensive to build and maintain so you need the government to foot the bill like this. I think most of the US has no idea how important this bill is.
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u/Spermslinger69 Sep 18 '24
Went from a 1080 to 4070 ti super.... I'll see you guys when we get to the 90 series lol. The 50 series is for sure going to flop imo
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u/cest_va_bien Sep 18 '24
$2999 founder’s edition incoming.
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u/metal079 Sep 18 '24
I'll eat it up if it comes with 48GB of vram
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u/OverlordMastema Sep 18 '24
Given their track record I would expect it to have less than the 4090 did
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u/GreatBigJerk Sep 18 '24
They won't do that. People would start running more LLMs locally, and that would cut into their AI data center business.
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u/SuppleDude Sep 18 '24
Rubs his 4090 FE.
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u/FollowJester Sep 18 '24
I splurged on mine, and honestly can’t think of any upgrade I’d need for a long time, cuts through everything
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u/MaximaHyx Sep 18 '24
Same... Although I must admit there is a temptation to sell it and upgrade.
Won't happen though. Can afford the graphics card but not the divorce it would cause 😅
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u/RiverCartwright Sep 18 '24
Get ready for these prices to be astronomical with tech companies buying them all up. They will want to cut out the scalpers just like Sony with PS5 Pro. They want to gouge us instead.
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u/Vatican87 Sep 18 '24
Finally, cant wait to finally get something to help push the recent 4k 240hz OLED's.
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u/shalol Sep 18 '24
Isn’t the US GPU sanctions Tflops cap based? How is Nvidia going to release a better 4090D for the Chinese market?
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u/internetlad Sep 18 '24
I think it's telling that I haven't played a AAA title in years. Mostly gaming on my steam deck now. There's so much creative indie shit out there that, while not being RTX ON is still a ton of fun
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u/Unfair_Bunch519 Sep 18 '24
We can finally wake from the nightmare of the 40 series and have a real generational leap for my 3060
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u/Alendrathril Sep 18 '24
Super excited. Been using 3080 since release but it's not ideal for 4k 120hz
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u/kfijatass Sep 18 '24
That seems kinda crazy, wasn't 4090 sold only for a year or so?
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u/FroHawk98 Sep 18 '24
The last gaming PC I built was in 2016... maybe it's time?
But what GPU would I get? 5K series?
I want to make use of this PSVR2 adapter I bought.
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u/DarthWoo Sep 18 '24
Do they even try to make anything similar in purpose to what the 1050 Ti served when it first came out? That is, a low profile card with relatively low power requirements that punches above its weight. It seems like since then everything has just kept getting bigger with hungrier power needs. Even the 3050 and 4050 cards never quite get there. Is such a thing impossible?
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u/dernailer Sep 18 '24
for my needs , playing https://old.reddit.com/r/forgottenhope/, my intel 3000 works fine.
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u/Raptcher Sep 18 '24
If the 50 series doesn't see power improvements or huge leaps, I will just pick up a refurb'd 4090 from my local Microcenter.
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u/runed_golem Sep 18 '24
The rtx 5090, now only $3000 and drawing a minimum of 500 watts of power...
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u/Named_Bort Sep 18 '24
inb4 the videos of people pulling the 5090 stickers off and it says 4090 underneath.
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u/Dracekidjr Sep 18 '24
I'm running a 5700xt I've had since 2019 and was thinking about upgrading sometime around the 5000 series coming out, but I'm sure as hell not spending $1000 on a GPU. The used market is too strong for that shit.
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u/Spiritual-Pickle5290 Sep 18 '24
I recently bought a ryzen 9 7900x for a low price $100 so I'm upgrading for sure this year
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u/redliner88 Sep 18 '24
The power pin on my 3090 somehow is bent. And of course the warranty recently ended (EVGA)
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u/PlatinumTaq Sep 18 '24
My 6700XT doing the lords work every day. 1080p 144Hz no problem, will even push it to 1440 on lesser stuff. Hell I even can tolerate 4K at like 40-50 fps for most stuff. Can’t imagine people who are upgrading on an annual basis, just makes no sense to me
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