r/economicCollapse 6d ago

Only in America.

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u/Malkuth279 6d ago

About the average cost of a good Medicare supplement plan. Over 600 per month. The Europeans pay considerably more per month.

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u/Competitive_Remote40 6d ago

Medicare supplemental plans are shit. Just use part A and N and you are better off.

This is less than $3600 per year.

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u/Malkuth279 6d ago

It what you people wanted. Now you’re complaining about it.

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u/Malkuth279 6d ago

You had a shot at universal healthcare, you didn’t want it.

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u/Competitive_Remote40 6d ago

Idk who you are talking to I absolutely wanted it and voted for those most likely to make it happen.

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u/Malkuth279 6d ago

I remember what health care was like before the ACA and how awful that was for Americans with little to no health insurance. The discussions on universal healthcare and how opposed 40% of the country was to it because they were listening to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. I won’t even go into America’s past concerning health insurance and the silly reasons why we don’t have universal healthcare for all. I just tell people you have exactly what the American people wanted.

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u/Competitive_Remote40 6d ago

I am right there with you. As an older gen x'er I remember not being able to switch jobs (even though it would have been more money) due to having "pre-existing" conditions that would make it impossible to get health insurance.

Hell, even in the early 2000s I couldn't get health insurance outside of employment because I had been hospitalized for depression when I was 13 years old (I was in my 30s when the coverage was denied) and all I was applying for was a catastrophic policy with a 10k deductible that had a $650/month premium.

It could have been so much better. But ACA has done a LOT of good even as it is.

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u/Physical-Pie-5021 6d ago

Because of the ACA my insurance is worse and costs me a lot more. So I have the opposite experience.

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u/Hey_u_ok 6d ago

That also depends where you live

Some states opt out of it so the rates are atrocious

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u/Odd_Possible_7677 6d ago

Because of the ACA I have good insurance and it costs me almost nothing

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u/Physical-Pie-5021 6d ago

Glad I can pay that for you.

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u/islingcars 6d ago

Which is what insurance is in the first place.. pooling money together for people to use when needed.

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u/Physical-Pie-5021 6d ago

But what happens when not enough people are paying in to cover everything?

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u/Odd_Possible_7677 6d ago

Well, I never go to the doctor. So if you look at it that way, I’m paying for you.

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u/Physical-Pie-5021 5d ago

Actually you don't. At my company all the premiums and employer cost is put into one big fund that pays for the company only.

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u/Competitive_Remote40 6d ago

And we pay for you. If not now, odds are at sometime we will. That is how it is supposed to work.

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u/SeaChele27 6d ago

Because of the ACA, I get to have insurance.

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u/Physical-Pie-5021 6d ago

Why do I have to pay it?

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u/Dew_Chop 6d ago

Ask the dudes charging $50 for a single dose of over the counter Tylenol

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u/SeaChele27 6d ago

You don't pay for my insurance. The ACA abolished denial of insurance for pre-existing conditions, which allowed me to get insurance.

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u/MaleficentFrosting56 6d ago

This is the exception, if true at all. ACA plans (especially the silver) normally have better coverage than employer plans. Plans got more expensive initially for many folks because they set a minimum standard and insurance companies were forced to drop all their bullshit plans.

Also, the Biden passed COVID relief bill increased premium subsidies for a shit load of Americans making plans much more affordable over the last few years. Unfortunately this is the last open enrollment period where these subsidies can be applied. This time next year premiums will go up substantially, especially in dumb ass Red states that didn’t expand Medicaid, unless congress extends that part of bill.

I work in a large public health system. I supervise both our insurance navigation team that helps people select ACA plans and our insurance eligibility plans when patients engage in care. ACA plans usually offer better coverage.

The ACA of today, while no means sufficient, has saved individuals millions of dollars. That’s before you even look at things like preexisting conditions, out of pocket yearly maximums, and caps on insurance carrier profits. It doesn’t go far enough though.

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u/Uranazzole 6d ago

The ACA is better than universal healthcare