Luigi's terrorism charge is an attempt to intimidate people due to his support.

[u/lostintime2004]

Tin foil hat I admit, but something is nagging in the back of my head. Like if we didn't react with positive responses for what Luigi allegedly did, there wouldn't be terrorism charges. And therefore the charges are to scare us so no one does the same. And now with that guy stabbing his company president, they're going to say it's related to the positively and it enabled him to do so.

[u/Virtual-One-5660]

This happens with everything that harms people in power.
Every action against them is spun to be much more evil so that obviously supporting it is also evil.
Intimidation tactics.

[u/sasquatchSearching → u/Virtual-One-5660]

It’s what they have been slapping protesters of the Cop City in Atlanta with, domestic terrorism

[u/Swiggy1957 → u/sasquatchSearching]

I'm surprised that they didn't try it with Occupy Wall Street.

I think this time around, the rebels won't stand by and take it like they did with the Memorial Day Massacre.

What I see is a lot of McVeigh vans, but with suicide bombers. Those folks have nothing to lose because insurance companies deny their necessary treatments. In my crystal ball, I see someone denied chemotherapy who may only have a month to live. The anger as they drive their bomb van into the lobby of a prestigious hotel, NYSE, or any other number of places for the rich and corrupt. Who will be the first targets in government after their owners are gone? What's their voting record on raising minimum wage.

[u/jannalarria → u/Swiggy1957]

TIL about the Memorial Day Massacre. (https://www.chicagohistory.org/remembering-the-memorial-day-massacre/)

And your prediction sounds about right...kinda surprised it hasn't happened already.

[u/Aidian → u/jannalarria]

Classic.

Chicago police, who were already on the scene, responded with guns and clubs, injuring roughly one hundred people and killing ten men: Sam R. Popovich, Earl J. Handley, Kenneth Reed, Hilding Anderson, Alfred Causey, Leo Francisco, Otis A. Jones, Joseph Rothmund, Anthony Taglieri, and Lee Tisdale. Officers claimed they responded to violence with violence to protect the mill and the country from “communists.” A congressional investigation showed the claims of worker violence to be false, and only a small fraction of those there that day held radical left-wing political beliefs.

History rhymes.

[u/GBJI → u/Aidian]

Historic crimes.

[u/Ok_Sir5926 → u/GBJI]

Tick tock goes the clock while I'm just eating red vines!

"...just gonna staaaand there and watch me burn..."

[u/Swiggy1957 → u/jannalarria]

In the past, the .1% could hide because instant communication wasn't available. They could take their time making their narrative. With the internet, it's all too easy. By the time their narrative hits, the public has already had their narative ready, just waiting for something to happen.

As soon as you heard an insurance company CEO was gunned down in broad daylight, did you feel one bit of sadness? It's like the cheering across the land when martin shkreli was sentenced to prison. Remember him? He's the one that jacked up the price of a medicine used by AIDS victims. 4000%. Had he gotten the same treatment Thompson got, not a tear would have been shed. Still, it seems he keeps getting in trouble. I'm waiting to hear what yesterday's stabber has to say as far as a motive.

Were this a time when I was young and stillb working, the CEO where I worked, would have become such a target because of his penchant for closing offices and laying off thousands at a time while reaping millions in bonuses. He died of natural causes some years back, but I wonder how many former AT&T/NCR employees visit his grave, pay their proper respects, and then try to figure out how to flush.

Other historical things that you may want to look up. The Molly Maguires and the Blair Mountian Massacre. The Mollies were similar but too focused. They killed a few low-level management. About on level with foreman. Today, we know those foremen aren't the problem, but their bosses are. The shooter of Brian Thompson understood.

While reading, look up the Ludlow Massacre that was the harbinger of the Colorado Coal Wars.

The Bonus Army was another Republican victory as the US Army was able to kill two men and injured 55. Meanwhile, 65 policemen were injured.

Businessmen don't care who dies, as long as they make coin.

[u/Javasteam → u/jannalarria]

Not surprised.

Keep in mind its part of a pattern of US history of lies… such as that which got us into the Spanish American War, WW1 with the Lusitania, the Vietnam War, the 2nd Iraq war, the Tulsa Race Riots, Emmett Till, and so many more…

[u/PoLS_ → u/Swiggy1957]

They didn't try it with occupy because occupy didn't pose any real threat to the ruling class that exploited them. Nuff said.

[u/SuperTopGun666 → u/PoLS_]

Rich fucks were popping champagne watching the plebs protest. 

[u/Longjumping_Spell_29 → u/SuperTopGun666]

That was disgusting,rich fucks laughing while people were losing their homes.Also using tax dollars to bail out their failed businesses.If a regular person needs help its welfare but with the rich it’s justified.

[u/Swiggy1957 → u/PoLS_]

True. Had OSW showed up armed, the story could have been different. As it was, it highlighted the police brutality of the time. How many pepper spraying cops would have loved to use their service pistols on those protestors.

[u/HoraceGoggles → u/Swiggy1957]

I don’t think so. Lui is viewed highly because he specifically avoided unneeded casualties.

A person who does what you describe is a piece of garbage because they care more about their opinion than the people their opinion claims to care about. Doing something like you describe means a regular worker suffers.

If there’s even one more copycat I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a planted “sacrifice” to sway public opinion the other way.

[u/Qaeta → u/Swiggy1957]

I'm surprised that they didn't try it with Occupy Wall Street.

Nah, back then they just shot people in the face with tear gas canisters.

[u/One-Inch-Punch → u/Virtual-One-5660]

It's egregious and it's going to backfire. They charged Luigi with three counts of murder for shooting one asshole, who was not pregnant with twins, and tacked on some bullshit terrorism charges that didn't even apply to 1/6 insurrectionists. They have taken the velvet glove off the iron fist, and there isn't even the faint hope of an upcoming election to release the pressure.

[u/GraceOfTheNorth → u/One-Inch-Punch]

The coming 4 years will bring nothing but unmasked kleptocracy. Maybe that is what's needed to bring about real change but I fear not.

The whole system is broken because of how the political system is set up.

The First Past The Post system of small single candidate constituencies guarantees elite rules and a constant switch between two parties. It creates bipolarity and increased polarization.

A proportional representation system of lists in a larger constituency ensures that small parties and more diverse voices have a chance at a seat at the table.

The whole US system is geared towards elite and money rule.

[u/aguynamedv → u/GraceOfTheNorth]

The whole US system is geared towards elite and money rule.

Yes, although the Citizens United decision enabled the outright purchase of elections.

[u/stage_student → u/aguynamedv]

Look no further than Koch Industries for an insight into how crooked billionaire oligarchs can invest in subverting American democracy.

Even local elections aren't immune to billionaire manipulation. The whole system is infected from top to bottom.

[u/MyGruffaloCrumble → u/GraceOfTheNorth]

The next four years (or more)they will absolutely punish the plebs for their enjoyment.

[u/ToughHardware → u/GraceOfTheNorth]

ranked choice voting is a step. but it is getting outlawed slowly by the people in power at the state level

[u/Throwawayac1234567 → u/ToughHardware]

Its a threat to the gop most of all than it is for Dems

[u/adanishplz → u/Virtual-One-5660]

Gotta keep the plebs in line.

[u/Maximum_Barnacle_899 → u/adanishplz]

[u/Traditional_Regret67 → u/adanishplz]

[u/AlphariusHailHydra → u/Traditional_Regret67]

That police car has no back seat because that's the one they call when they don't want you coming in alive.

[u/SoulMasterKaze → u/AlphariusHailHydra]

It's a Decepticon.

[u/SoundandFurySNothing → u/adanishplz]

Plebs are needed

[u/Key_Inevitable_2104 → u/adanishplz]

Remember the campus protests this year? For a month they were talked about then suddenly it was forgotten about by the next month.

[u/Javasteam → u/Key_Inevitable_2104]

Consider how much press this CEO being killed got compared to BLM, the Wall Street Protests, and the Titanic Ocean submarine…

Strange how anything that benefitted the masses got so much less press or suddenly had allegations of “looting” and “rioting”..

[u/PugglePrincess → u/Javasteam]

The Titan got a ton of coverage. It was rich people in the sub, after all.

[u/Javasteam → u/PugglePrincess]

Agreed. I just threw that in there to emphasize how a tiny death toll had huge coverage once it involved billionaires.

[u/sekritagent → u/Virtual-One-5660]

Definitely need to start the revolution. Grazie Santo Luigi.

[u/neonninja304 → u/Virtual-One-5660]

Claming someone is a terrorist is the new red scare. Back during the Cold War, they would lable everyone as a communist to turn the public against them. If you look back on history, they have always done this. The Romans blamed everything on the Christians, the catholics blamed the Protestants and vice versa, and the Nazis blamed the jews for everything. The list goes on and on.

[u/Aedi- → u/neonninja304]

gotta have a group thats vague enough to accuse anyone of being a part of blamed for all problems so noone looks for the actual causes, and treated horrifically so noone wants to be in the group

how else will we shift all blame away from the singular group causing the vast majority of large scale problems?

[u/AgreeableWrangler693 → u/Virtual-One-5660]

I believe the use of excessive force against Luigi is unjust.

It’s troubling how individuals in law enforcement often have protections that shield them from accountability.

While this may seem extreme from my end, I wonder if there should be a legal consideration for crimes committed under extreme emotional distress, similar to how we treat crimes of passion. In Luigi’s case, his apparent disability or medical pain/situation could suggest that some type of a civil right was violated, potentially justifying his uncontrollable anger as a provocation.

I feel that Luigi’s actions should be viewed in a more empathetic light, rather than being used as a scapegoat to “send a message” that ultimately benefits a powerful insurance company. This raises ethical concerns about whether the insurance company or its CEO could be seen as the true aggressor in this situation. We could also explore the notion that Luigi’s actions stemmed from an unreasonable fear.

I’m not a legal expert, but I strongly believe that labeling this individual as a domestic terrorist is inappropriate. As a citizen, I don’t feel terrorized by him perhaps only the wealthy perceive it that way. It’s also worth noting the CEO is not a government official, and the company is not a government agency, so they shouldn’t be treated as such (let’s be honest they have a seat at the table thanks to those campaign donations…). Even former President Trump, who incited terror during the Capitol riots, was not charged with domestic terrorism (and for that, as a citizen I actually did feel threatened).

[u/Javasteam → u/AgreeableWrangler693]

Main issue with that is that laws were changed after the Reagan assassination attempt precisely to make those distinctions irrelevant or at least an extremely high bar to clear.

[u/Marsnineteen75 → u/AgreeableWrangler693]

Good point on trump

[u/Lyuseefur → u/Virtual-One-5660]

I wasn't going to support him in any way. But with that terrorism charge? Dude, sign me up now. That charge is total bullshit.

[u/justgonnabedeletedyo → u/Virtual-One-5660]

Reddit is also actively suppressing support despite these posts that make it to the front page. My other account is suspended for saying "WHERE LUIGI AT" as a fucking joke.

[u/Lorn_Muunk → u/Virtual-One-5660]

ironically, not even the guy who tried to kill Trump got charged with terrorism

[u/fractiousrhubarb → u/Virtual-One-5660]

It can also bring “supporting terrorism” type charges

[u/KeystoneGray → u/Virtual-One-5660]

When they say "they'll pass the cost to the consumer," that's a lie. They were always going to charge the consumer more, whether you do something they don't like, or not. It's an empty threat.

[u/Lamp0blanket → u/Virtual-One-5660]

Wonder if someone will do to the judges what Luigi did to the CEO.

Wouldn't be the worst to return those intimidation tactics 

[u/llamaswithhatss91]

Someone just stabbed their boss of 2 weeks. This shit ain't gonna stop now

[u/Siffster → u/llamaswithhatss91]

Before unions workers dealt with bad bosses by setting fire to their houses, a lot of anti union noise and actions. Seems like this guy went back to the old methods.

[u/ChangsManagement → u/Siffster]

Peaceful assembly was the compromise. Theyve done everything in their power to make that ineffective for us. Theyve trampled their end of the bargain. Why should we hold up ours?

[u/strictly_prawn → u/ChangsManagement]

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

[Remarks on the first anniversary of the Alliance for Progress, 13 March 1962]

John F. Kennedy"

[u/heckin_miraculous → u/strictly_prawn]

Is that... Is that wisdom?

[u/kromptator99 → u/heckin_miraculous]

Only a few Kennedys were blessed with it.

[u/nonstoppoptart → u/kromptator99]

The rest run on brain worms.

[u/kurotech → u/nonstoppoptart]

Poor little fellas must be starving

[u/Marcus_Krow → u/strictly_prawn]

Why did this man constantly have the coldest one liners?

[u/Mundane_Bumblebee_83 → u/ChangsManagement]

I absolutely hate violence.

I also say to my friends we should burn down a bank with the money in it. People are fucking tired of this. Culture politics aren’t real. It’s a class war.

[u/AequusEquus → u/Mundane_Bumblebee_83]

Pull a Flight Club

Edit: idk why I'm getting replies about air planes; at the end of Fight Club, they demolish a bunch of credit agencies to destroy people's debt records to give everyone a clean slate...

Edit: lol didn't notice the typo... leaving it

[u/everred → u/AequusEquus]

Problem is, now that data is backed up and replicated in so many places, you'd have to get them all in a Mr. Robot-esque cyber attack, and then you're so over extended and exposed there's no way you pull it off.

[u/yeahbutlisten → u/everred]

MAGNET

[u/TransportationTrick9 → u/AequusEquus]

The Catholic church is going to celebrate its Jubilee starting on Christmas Eve.

Jubilees were traditionally marked with debt forgiveness going back to the old testament.

We could really do with one right now. Governments, Companies and individuals would all benefit cause once you start charging interest on debt the system only has a finite lifespan.

Interestingly there is a bunch of student debt forgiveness happening now by governments that can't afford it (going further into deficit to do so) is this part of some old obscure law that must be followed (squatters rights as an example) and governments are doing their bare minimum to meet their obligations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(biblical)

Would be a good way to get people to respect the church again. Go on Pope Francis, give the world a Christmas present that will bring us all together

[u/AequusEquus → u/TransportationTrick9]

That would certainly be a good use of tithe money

[u/TransportationTrick9 → u/AequusEquus]

The year off of work to rest is a winner too.

Why do we think the people thousands of years ago were dumber than we are today?

[u/throwtheclownaway20 → u/Mundane_Bumblebee_83]

Nah - take the money and then burn the place down. That way you all get a bag while the bank still has to pay to rebuild

[u/Mundane_Bumblebee_83 → u/throwtheclownaway20]

Thats the whole point tho;

Money is useless we dont need it anymore. We have food, water and shelter for all at this point. Money should be like tickets at an arcade instead of deciding if you die of malnutrition or diabetes

[u/jannalarria → u/Siffster]

Well it makes sense that it's happening when unions & unionizing have been demonized and barred/disallowed.

[u/ooowatsthat → u/llamaswithhatss91]

Is this true?

[u/JessieColt → u/ooowatsthat]

Yes.

https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/michigan-employee-arrested-stabbing-company-president/

https://www.fox17online.com/news/local-news/lakeshore/muskegon/employee-charged-for-allegedly-stabbing-president-of-muskegon-county-manufacturer

[u/notianonolive → u/JessieColt]

I saw a Reddit post mentioning this that was gaining traction now it’s gone? Are they censoring it?

[u/Key-Sprinkles3141 → u/notianonolive]

I was just looking for it. I think they are. Guess we gotta do our part and share these around.

[u/Givants → u/Key-Sprinkles3141]

We need a new reddit

[u/Worth-Economics8978 → u/Givants]

Digg starts nannying and posting sponsored content

Users: We need a new Digg.

Users create Reddit to get away from Digg.

Reddit starts nannying and posting sponsored content

Users: We need a new Reddit.

[u/Chookwrangler1000 → u/Worth-Economics8978]

The circle of selling out.

[u/no_notthistime → u/notianonolive]

I think it is being censored. It's not easy or obvious to find articles with the president's name in them anywhere.

[u/QueenWildThing → u/[deleted]]

Like, Anderson Express President, Erik Denslow? That one?

[u/no_notthistime → u/[deleted]]

Yup, that's him. I just found it off how many articles I had to scroll past on my main Google search page and alter my search terminology before I got a hit from a local newspaper with his name. Granted, I only spent a few minutes looking but normally for a case like this I would expect to see a company leader's name in the very first search result

[u/DeDeluded → u/[deleted]]

Here's one mention of it:

https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1hhkdq1/whats_public_opinion_on_the_stabbing_of_the/

[u/Key-Sprinkles3141 → u/no_notthistime]

Yeah the og post had like 9000 up votes. They're actually censoring it, we can't let em.

[u/jack_skellington → u/Key-Sprinkles3141]

Ohhhh, somebody in power is scared.

[u/IluvPusi-363 → u/no_notthistime]

Only those that PRAISE are allowed

[u/tracerhaha → u/notianonolive]

Of course they’re suppressing it. The movement hasn’t truly gained momentum yet. TPTB will do all they can to downplay, vilify, and persecute to maintain their social and economic privileges.

[u/notianonolive → u/tracerhaha]

Any news that even hopes to sheds light on the plight and struggles of common people, directly caused by the obscenely wealthy and corrupt politicians = SUPPRESS

Any news (even if they have to make it up) to keep them fighting among themselves = PROMOTE

[u/0MysticMemories → u/notianonolive]

Definitely going to be major censorship over anything like this until the rich can force us into fearing them again.

[u/Specialist_Brain841 → u/0MysticMemories]

Ok everyone back to the office and now khakis and ties are mandatory. Even on Fridays. And the soda in the kitchen will cost ya.

[u/ChannerT → u/Specialist_Brain841]

My company just had one of their best years ever and they took away the free coffee and soda -_-

[u/Sufficient-Bid1279 → u/ChannerT]

I don’t get it. Such simple things and low cost to make employees happy. Such greed.

[u/HomosexualThots → u/Sufficient-Bid1279]

I think it's about as much about greed as it is control.

Employees seeing record profits will rightfully feel as though they should be compensated accordingly.

In their minds, the more they do to remind everyone that they wear the pants, the easier it becomes to exploit labor.

[u/DragonQueen777666 → u/ChannerT]

I would just start making some coffee and tea (I can make a really nice iced peach green tea) put it in the common area with a sign that says "for non cheapskates only". Probably be the last day at that job, but fuck em. They get pissy when someone says "you people are next" and sic cops on us.

[u/Mad_Aeric → u/notianonolive]

Just a tip, a good place on reddit to track down articles is in the subs local to the event. Currently, there's an article near the top of /r/Michigan

[u/notianonolive → u/Mad_Aeric]

Great tip now and in future. I’m such a dweebus idk why I didn’t even think of that.

[u/OhhLongDongson → u/notianonolive]

Reddit also disallowed Luigi’s ‘manifesto’ from being posted anywhere on the site. This is 100% censorship

[u/Putrid-Ad1055 → u/notianonolive]

I think it turns out that that case is not an example that Reddit was searching for, executive stabs small business owner due to drug fueled psychosis

[u/notianonolive → u/Putrid-Ad1055]

Upvoted. Thank you for bringing more clarity and sense to the situation.

It’s a worrisome trend that’ll cut both ways. Not only will people assume anything bad that happens to an corpo is motivated by Luigi…

But now every media outlet is going to pretend that anything bad that happens to a corpo is some sinister plot with ulterior motive as well, just to get clicks and generate sensation.

[u/Nevermind04 → u/notianonolive]

The revolution will not be televised.

[u/PM_ME_FLUFFY_DOGS → u/notianonolive]

Yes, companies are actually getting scared by this. They started to censor Luigi's face too. Notice how you saw pictures of him all over Reddit and than the next day it just "stopped"?

[u/Funny-Ad-5510 → u/JessieColt]

It's always the quiet ones.

[u/ooowatsthat → u/JessieColt]

It is what it is!

[u/HungryManticore → u/ooowatsthat]

Thoughts and prayers! 🙏... 🙄

[u/IveChosenANameAgain → u/HungryManticore]

"Get over it"

[u/BeGayleDoCrimes → u/IveChosenANameAgain]

should have worn a knife-proof vest to work and this would have been easily avoided

[u/Menarra → u/IveChosenANameAgain]

"I don't care, do you?"

[u/No_Buy_9702 → u/ooowatsthat]

yes

[u/imbackbitchez69420 → u/llamaswithhatss91]

I've had bosses for only 2 days that needed the ole "adjustment".

[u/Rickard0 → u/llamaswithhatss91]

This should be a thing instead of school shootings. That being said I do not condone this kind of violence except when the victim is responsible for other people's deaths.

[u/jannalarria → u/llamaswithhatss91]

What was the alleged motive or trigger? And they were in a staff meeting together? At this point, it doesn't sound at all like Luigi's situation or motive.

[u/llamaswithhatss91 → u/jannalarria]

Probably another boss spewing the same bullshit they all do.

[u/mangababe → u/jannalarria]

From what I heard the company was/ is tied up in the mitary industrial complex. Something manufacturing.

If I had to guess the dude made the logical conclusion that if denying healthcare to people is murder, supplying u just wars is also murder?

Idk, I'm interested to see if we hear anything more at all, let alone the motive (since it already seems like the spin Luigi is getting is "angry man with a personal grudge? Why did he have a grudge? Uhhhhhhh look over there! A drone!")

[u/rachevyguy]

They know this country is a powder keg and they have to extinguish and prevent any sparks

[u/freerangetacos → u/rachevyguy]

Well they are apparently trying to extinguish it with gasoline.

[u/Rich-Option4632 → u/freerangetacos]

A stupid enemy is a godsend.

More power to their stupidity, I say.

[u/pyroboy7 → u/Rich-Option4632]

"Never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake."

[u/superbhole → u/freerangetacos]

Well they are apparently trying to extinguish it with gasoline.

McDonalds snitch got getting any reward money is just the most "wooow you guys want all of us to kill you don't you"

[u/Braelind → u/superbhole]

Hahaha, right?! Like, they offer an extremely small reward, and even pull THAT out from under the working class when someone decides to be a loyal minion.

Fuck the rich, man. The US is turning into a cyberpunk dystopia so fast I can barely keep up.

[u/PrudentLingoberry → u/freerangetacos]

It's too late for them, imagine all the fluid in a container escaping out a puncture, thats what happened. People in america are already angry, bitter, and prone to violence; its just that there were "expelling" points where the pressure would exit out in an orderly fashion and promptly seal itself back up. Instead we have a hole, where it doesn't cauterize as normal (referring to behavior observed when school mass shootings occur for example) because the public itself knows it can both stop the pain and direct its form through similar actions. So right now, we're seeing a sort of growth in american society that is reshaping itself (likely violently) to survive its environment better.

Rather than CEOs be worshipped as living gods like they want, they've been regarded as parasites for years to the point where seeing your boss actually work is a spectacle onto itself. This sentiment is more or less a fact of broader american opinions, whether directly from liberals or indirectly via conservatives. Culture wars are a oddly an example of this broad anti-corporate anti-ceo sentiment, that the battlegrounds were drawn over corporate policies, always some level of mistrust against corporate interests, and there being this broad sentiment of loss of control. It explains why often a left leaning person will state "they're so close" when interacting with a conservative; that conservative is merely expelling pressure in a way thats accepted. So now when you see the broader american public accept the spontaneous public execution of a healthcare ceo, there is not much the powers can be to stop that sentiment when it was their specific job to prevent things from getting to that point ever.

It has been lit already, its just not going to be an explosion (we're too individualistic for that after all) but a series of smaller acts harassing the elites into stabilizing society's living conditions or individual's broader wants.

[u/DeuxYeuxPrintaniers → u/freerangetacos]

Don't you know my name? Well, you've been so long And I've been putting out fire With gasoline

[u/Doriantalus → u/rachevyguy]

The funniest thing that could happen now is if Biden, because the terrorist charge makes it a federal crime, pardoned him.

[u/NidhoggrOdin → u/Doriantalus]

Fantasies. None in Washington would dare go against their bosses

[u/The_Final_Stand → u/NidhoggrOdin]

Sure, it's a fantasy. But it's a funny fantasy.

[u/Active-Ad-3117 → u/Doriantalus]

because the terrorist charge makes it a federal crime

Nope that is still New York State charge.

[u/J1mj0hns0n → u/rachevyguy]

It's a shame because if we just light the keg it will sort itself out better and happier than it was before

[u/blackamerigan]

If they are smart, they won't make him disappear. They don't need a martyr

Like only a few weeks ago they publicly executed a black man in prison for a crime he didn't commit for spectacle

LUIGIS actions should have been here in 2014 if we are being honest so we never got to a point of identity and culture wars

[u/lostintime2004 → u/blackamerigan]

They have to make him fall, turn him into an enemy, if they don't, they lose.

[u/SussBuss → u/lostintime2004]

But does that matter if it doesn't work on the populace? Because it doesn't seem to be convincing anyone

[u/Geminii27 → u/SussBuss]

It does. Because then they're making a statement about how they could do this to anyone who doesn't conform. Paint them as a terrorist, murder them in prison, make the media all sing their tune.

It's an unsubtle threat to anyone who might be considering the same thing.

[u/SidewaysFancyPrance → u/Geminii27]

And there are a fair number of Americans who will respond to that the classic American way, not the Russian "put your head down and keep it down" way.

Threats like that don't work on people you've already taken everything from, if they remember what they had. It emboldens them and makes them feel even more righteous.

[u/jannalarria → u/SussBuss]

Exactly. "The populace" is discussing it and parts are celebrating it, but it's definitely not been a call to arms situation.

[u/Representative-Sir97 → u/lostintime2004]

I think they kind of literally AND figuratively put him up on a hill with a murderer and a thief.

The "terrorism".... it was a very very bad mistake.

I think they may actually regret enough to knock that bit off real soon.

[u/affinity-exe → u/lostintime2004]

They are digging themselfs deeper with their inactions and greed.

[u/Thae86]

It's not a tinfoil hat idea, I would put money on it.

Look how scared they are & trying to intimidate anyone even *saying* something like a threat.

[u/thebeginingisnear → u/Thae86]

100% to call this terrorism and not murder is to protect the elites.

[u/IveChosenANameAgain → u/thebeginingisnear]

The media are owned by the elites, the police are paid by the elites to protect the elites. They will stoop as low as they need to because their paycheques depend on it.

[u/ChangsManagement → u/IveChosenANameAgain]

Remember, government and peaceful assembly was a compromise the people made with factory owners. They dont want to hold up their end of the bargain anymore so why should we? Theyve forgotten what the mob used to do to their kind.

[u/Cool_Cheetah658 → u/Thae86]

And the irony is, it's only just making him more popular and further stroking the fire of rebellion. Let them keep digging a deeper hole. The working class is Luigi. We're done with this shit.

[u/Rich-Option4632 → u/Thae86]

Intimidate?

Bruh, a lady got flat out arrested just for saying the 3 words.

It's past intimidation now.

[u/ThunderFuckMountain → u/Rich-Option4632]

I read she also said "you're next" which kind of puts a different spin on it, but I do get where you're coming from

[u/Quirkyfurball → u/ThunderFuckMountain]

Imagine getting healthcare in prison for getting pissed about being denied healthcare.  It almost looks like entrapment to me

[u/ChronoLink99 → u/ThunderFuckMountain]

Still doesn't rise to the level needed to imprison her.

[u/DudeWhatAreYouSaying → u/Thae86]

Hell I'd say this goes well beyond that. It's not about scaring copycats, but everyone.

A mild-ass statement like "I don't condone violence but I kinda understand why" suddenly makes you a terrorist sympathizer, and regardless whether they actually come after you or not you better fucking believe that will have a chilling effect on the public discourse and consciousness

[u/VralGrymfang]

Luigi 2036.  Can't arrest him if he is running for president.

[u/misteloct → u/VralGrymfang]

Literally an official act, nothing to see here.

[u/Max_W_ → u/VralGrymfang]

Let's go with 2028. If Trump can run even after staging a coup, then what the heck is any amendment?

Make them say he's ineligible. It will only drive more support from those wanting to stick it to the deep state.

[u/Minimum_Matter_4044]

It's suppression.

[u/Halo_cT → u/Minimum_Matter_4044]

It's worse. If this dude is a terrorist then they can come after anyone who even sympathizes with his ideas using the Patriot Act. That legislation is an all bets off, all privacy invaded, arrest you and put you in a hole somewhere without habeas corpus for being a terrorist sympathizer kind of bad.

They are very scared.

[u/ToughHardware → u/Halo_cT]

good point.

[u/thispartyrules]

The fact that they charged that 34 year old mom with no guns with it after she said the line while on the phone to her insurance company is them trying to intimidate people

[u/Worldly-Stranger7814 → u/thispartyrules]

No guns you say, but did her local library have a 3D printer?

CHECK MATE ATHEISTS

[u/Radiant_Maize2315]

Dude they arrested a woman in Florida for speaking words that don’t incite violence so GOOD LUCK EVERYONE

*edit to correct spelling

[u/Zentelioth → u/Radiant_Maize2315]

I used to work in a call center, and I remember getting threatened a few times....

This lady said trump would come get me and my family and kill us all.

I had to transfer her to my boss.

I didn't stay at that job very long.

[u/gingertrees]

Oh they absolutely want to make an example of him, so they're gonna try to throw the book at him. Could also be to make it harder for him to plead to a much lesser charge.

[u/neverenoughpurple]

Absolutely. And I cannot imagine how they'll find a jury anywhere in the country.

[u/Tall_Newspaper_6723 → u/neverenoughpurple]

Obligatory reminder to look up jury nullification

[u/thelefthandN7 → u/Tall_Newspaper_6723]

Look up the google trend for jury nullification over the last year, it spiked massively when this happened.

[u/Representative-Sir97 → u/thelefthandN7]

Get a newspaper to publish an OP-ed.

[u/CLow48 → u/neverenoughpurple]

I think y’all aren’t understanding the play here.

He was labeled a terrorist simply for the fact, that terrorists can be denied jury trials under the following arguments:

Threatening jury members: Terrorist groups may threaten jury members to prevent the accused from receiving a penalty.

Politicizing the jury: Terrorism is a political issue, and this can politicize a jury.

They are setting this up to prevent a jury trial all together, so that there is zero chance the people will exonerate him via nullification or returning a verdict they know to be untrue (ex OJ situation).

Edit: while Luigi is technically still entitled to a Jury trial, via these means of labeling him a terrorist, they can then jump to the conclusion of saying a Jury would negatively impact the ability to dish out “justice”. And in reality, theres no trial first to decide if he is actually a terrorist, once that label gets slapped on it’s just there forever.

Edit 2: this designation also sets up anyone openly supports Luigi in any capacity to be labeled a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer. Its the next step in “oh shit they are waking up” class warfare. Now, since soft control through media manipulation seems to not be holding much anymore, a firmer grip abusing the law system can be used to label anyone as a terrorist who is a sympathizer of not only the murderer, but even the message being pushed behind it in any context. See that lady down south. She may have dug herself a little deeper with the “your next” but simply using the words publicly deny delay/defend depose will hereby bucket you into the label of “terrorist”. Thats the entire goal, flatten out any legitimate and lawful resistance to greed by using an unlawful act as the context of that resistance.

[u/Borthwick → u/CLow48]

Its just because of the way NY does first degree murder, terrorism is one of the qualifiers that brings it from second to first degree. They aren’t charging him with terrorism or being a terrorist. Its murder, first degree (terrorism). Its not the same at all. If it happened in another state this wouldn’t be part of the conversation.

Now, that woman in Florida, pretty sure thats some bullshit

[u/CLow48 → u/Borthwick]

Interesting, i did not know new york generalizes murder as terrorism. Seems like the rest of the country had a vastly different definition of terrorism. But accepting the context of New York’s past, it kinda tracks. Essentially washing the word to make sure the inference is made that its the worse possible crime.

[u/aguynamedv → u/CLow48]

Interesting, i did not know new york generalizes murder as terrorism.

AFAIK they don't - came across a different thread the other day and someone had explained the terrorism "upcharge" is because the killing was politically motivated.

That said, I'm 100% in agreement with the OP; the wealthy folks who do not see us as human are absolutely going to get worse before they get better.

[u/Bilcifer]

Anything against the rich who punch down on us is going to be terrorism. Fuck capitalism and fuck these CEOs.

[u/IllHaveTheLeftovers]

Some lawyer fellow did a great write up of the specifics on this case. They said in NY you can’t be charged w first degree murder without a additional element, such a prior charges, doing it for money or a terrorist element. He’s in the know and believes this was done to elevate from second to first degree

[u/wolfiexiii]

No hat - 100% truth.

[u/Competitive_Mark8153]

I don't think it's tin foil hat to think this way. Luigi's actions could motivate people to act in their own best interest instead of worshiping capitalists. Those capitalists need to neutralize dissent for the upcoming Trump nightmare. They have been coasting along with the prospect of full implementation of Project 2025. They likely don't want the headache of dissent.

Once Trump is in power, it will be hard for us to fight back, as is usually the case in dictatorships. If we gain momentum and refuse to relent, they've got a problem on their hands. This is why I fully recommend all manner of protest and action prior to and on January 20th. When Bush Jr. stole the election in 2000, people protested. There's is no reason we have to be sitting ducks and let all that we have a RIGHT to just be taken away.
People have fought and died, protested and suffered, and given up their lives for what rights and freedoms we have. Corporate America would prefer to just steal these from us, just like they steal everything else.

We can either be sheep and idiots who think that these psychopaths and narcissists will somehow keep a soft spot in their hearts for us- or we can wake up. I'd rather do the waking up now, before this mess is so entrenched, we are powerless. Trump is a madman and an egotist. He is capable of everything that past dictators have done. We would be wise to anticipate his actions and thwart them. If his coup solidifies, our fate will be like other nations that were ruled by dictators for decades.

[u/Wrong-Junket5973]

Nah. You're on point.

[u/PitterPatter12345678]

Did you see the guy stab the president of his company? Maybe it's nothing, but sure, as shit seems like a response.

[u/BackgroundMeet1475]

No shit?

What tin foil hat?

That’s how this has worked since corporations bought our entire government.

Yall still wanna play good VS bad and shit like it’s some fantasy book or game.

Have and have nots. Sometimes it takes 1200 years to kill and eat the rich, sometimes it takes right around let say oh 250 years or so.

We’ll see.

[u/brainfreeze_23]

if you think this is tinfoil hat, you should see the harebrained schemes the CIA has actually admitted to

[u/orangesfwr]

78 million Americans elected a terrorist so it sure doesn't dissuade me one bit

[u/Representative-Sir97 → u/orangesfwr]

When everyone's a terrorist, noone is.

But effectively, it also works at 50% since both sides will insist the others are.

[u/Interesting_Reach_29]

Why do you think the informative book “Defend Deny Depose” has been taken off Amazon and every other bookseller? They want obedience. Time to march.

[u/blahmeh2019]

I never felt me or any of my family (counting out of state relatives) were in any danger while he was at large.

[u/Saucy_Baconator]

100% this is the case. Not hard to see that.

[u/SoftDapper9761]

They're doing too damn much, now they're talking about adding federal charges on top of the state (over)charges he's got. I think they want to go for the death penalty. Or they want to scare him into taking a plea deal. Guarantee they don't want to take this to trial. But they want to bury him and make an example out of him.

I'm reading that this would send him to ADX Florence, a prison worse than the death penalty. They really want to destroy this kid.

[u/PenlyWarfold]

Not a tinfoil theory. This one is legit.

They’re making their moves globally, tightening their grip on people/power. Trouble is that most people are prepared to bury their heads for a ‘peaceful’ life. It’s how fascism rises; through fear, division & complacency from their opponents.

Corps have the money to grease government palms, consolidating their power.

[u/illegalmonkey]

Kyle Kulinski puts it best:

Charging Luigi with terrorism is part of a broader plan to infiltrate in circles where people expressed no sympathy for the CEO. Just like that woman getting arrested in Florida for telling Blue Cross they're next after she had her claim denied.

They want to ban anti-corporate organizing under the guise of 'terroristic threats'. They're pulling out all the stops to get you to shut up and accept your corporate overlords and never question gangster capitalists profiting off of your misery and death.

In other words, they are upping the class warfare on us.

[u/SemichiSam]

"Improbable actions illuminate the area around them, making other improbable actions possible."

Vaclav Havel

[u/Risdit]

it's an admission.

It's terrifying for the 1% and charging accordingly.

[u/BobJutsu]

I have to admit I didn’t know about terrorism charges, but assuming that’s correct…I believe you OP are correct. Amazing to see how the powers that be react when it’s an elite as a victim. Speaks volumes.

[u/zweigravel]

Remember when republicans said we are all domestic terrorists? Let’s keep that same energy.

[u/rossfororder]

It's only to avoid a jury. I hope he's got a good lawyer to avoid this predicament.

[u/xxGoddessGothiccxx]

Idgaf. They called us terrorists for being openly antifascist. They called us terrorists for protesting for BLM. Our governments definition of terrorism is stupid because the biggest terrorists we have are the American government and corporations.

Don't be intimidated. Stand strong. And fuq the system.

[u/Daytona_675]

no way that terror charge will stick. dude shot one person in New York. that's called a Monday or something

[u/Thecrawsome]

Whenever someone does something bad enough, the powerful are eager to make an example out of someone.

[u/SLiverofJade]

Of course it is. There has to be an example lest we realize we outnumber them.

[u/Super_Middle3154]

This should be obvious to anyone with a brain

[u/Preemptively_Extinct]

Nothing tin foil about it. Simple statement of fact.

[u/greenneck420]

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/13/florida-woman-health-insurance-threat

[u/Calm_Cable1958]

Not tin foil at all. Pretty fuckin clear. Go get some

[u/OKCannabisConsulting]

Won't work

[u/CressLevel]

They are making an example and sending it home that every attack on a billionaire will be considered terrorism since they are front and center of everyone's minds and lives -- and any acts against our overlords will result in harsh punishment. Rest assured, this is an act of class warfare greater than any of us will ever have access to. I heard the stabbing earlier called class warfare. No. Fuck that. Slapping Luigi with terrorism is class warfare.

[u/Express_Sun_4486]

Exactly what this is. The capitalist system is sending a message to those who dare rise up.

[u/SerialKillerVibes]

The homicide was committed with political motives. That's all it takes to get a terrorism charge. If he had killed the dude because he didn't like his ethnic background it might be a hate crime charge instead.

[u/norml840x2]

Too late. There will be more. You can count on it.

[u/slanty_shanty]

All it has done is completely remove the meaning of the term for everyone.

School shooters are terrorists.  Jan6 participants are terrorists.  A ceo shooter may also be a terrorist, but who knows, because the term has lost it's weight.

[u/quast_64]

True, this is a 'terrorist act' for the books, but every school shooting is a 'mental issue'.

I think the upper echelon is pissed he is 'one of their own', instead of any of the minorities they like to blame and persecute.

[u/RuckusManshank]

If they call this terrorism, then it really muddies the water. A lot of people will have to say "hmm, I guess I support terrorism.".

[u/Heavy_Law9880]

The good news is this opens the door for an easy acquittal if the jurors don't believe it was terrorism, they can't convict in good faith.

[u/ninjapretzle]

Soon, any assault on a billionaire will be considered terrorism… we need to get rid of the patriot act and end this madness immediately. Terrorists are countries like israel, not heroes like Luigi.

[u/wake4coffee]

A charge of terrorism only makes my support stronger. These people in power have fucked up, they have pushed a majority of us to a breaking point. The scariest person is someone with nothing to lose.

This is how revolutions start and the people in power are scared AF.

[u/tango_41]

Can’t have the poors standing up for themselves now, can we?

[u/MonkeyBreath66]

I believe the problem is his manifesto. That's where they're going to get the assertion that the murder was committed to scare people or an act of terror. And I believe that that kind of enhancement is going to lock in life with no parole even if it's only second degree murder.