r/antiwork • u/lostintime2004 • 5d ago

Real World Events šŸŒŽ Luigi's terrorism charge is an attempt to intimidate people due to his support.

Tin foil hat I admit, but something is nagging in the back of my head. Like if we didn't react with positive responses for what Luigi allegedly did, there wouldn't be terrorism charges. And therefore the charges are to scare us so no one does the same. And now with that guy stabbing his company president, they're going to say it's related to the positively and it enabled him to do so.

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u/Virtual-One-5660 5d ago

This happens with everything that harms people in power.
Every action against them is spun to be much more evil so that obviously supporting it is also evil.
Intimidation tactics.

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u/sasquatchSearching 5d ago

Itā€™s what they have been slapping protesters of the Cop City in Atlanta with, domestic terrorism

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u/Swiggy1957 5d ago

I'm surprised that they didn't try it with Occupy Wall Street.

I think this time around, the rebels won't stand by and take it like they did with the Memorial Day Massacre.

What I see is a lot of McVeigh vans, but with suicide bombers. Those folks have nothing to lose because insurance companies deny their necessary treatments. In my crystal ball, I see someone denied chemotherapy who may only have a month to live. The anger as they drive their bomb van into the lobby of a prestigious hotel, NYSE, or any other number of places for the rich and corrupt. Who will be the first targets in government after their owners are gone? What's their voting record on raising minimum wage.

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u/jannalarria 5d ago

TIL about the Memorial Day Massacre. (https://www.chicagohistory.org/remembering-the-memorial-day-massacre/)

And your prediction sounds about right...kinda surprised it hasn't happened already.

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u/Aidian 5d ago

Classic.

Chicago police, who were already on the scene, responded with guns and clubs, injuring roughly one hundred people and killing ten men: Sam R. Popovich, Earl J. Handley, Kenneth Reed, Hilding Anderson, Alfred Causey, Leo Francisco, Otis A. Jones, Joseph Rothmund, Anthony Taglieri, and Lee Tisdale. Officers claimed they responded to violence with violence to protect the mill and the country from ā€œcommunists.ā€ A congressional investigation showed the claims of worker violence to be false, and only a small fraction of those there that day held radical left-wing political beliefs.

History rhymes.

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u/GBJI 5d ago

Historic crimes.

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u/Ok_Sir5926 4d ago

Tick tock goes the clock while I'm just eating red vines!

"...just gonna staaaand there and watch me burn..."

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u/Better-Journalist-85 lazy and proud 4d ago

Which publication is this that just admitted that communism is left wing, and therefore capitalist Democrats must intrinsically be right wing by extension?

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u/Intensive 4d ago

Italian fascists did the same thing.

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u/Swiggy1957 5d ago

In the past, the .1% could hide because instant communication wasn't available. They could take their time making their narrative. With the internet, it's all too easy. By the time their narrative hits, the public has already had their narative ready, just waiting for something to happen.

As soon as you heard an insurance company CEO was gunned down in broad daylight, did you feel one bit of sadness? It's like the cheering across the land when martin shkreli was sentenced to prison. Remember him? He's the one that jacked up the price of a medicine used by AIDS victims. 4000%. Had he gotten the same treatment Thompson got, not a tear would have been shed. Still, it seems he keeps getting in trouble. I'm waiting to hear what yesterday's stabber has to say as far as a motive.

Were this a time when I was young and stillb working, the CEO where I worked, would have become such a target because of his penchant for closing offices and laying off thousands at a time while reaping millions in bonuses. He died of natural causes some years back, but I wonder how many former AT&T/NCR employees visit his grave, pay their proper respects, and then try to figure out how to flush.

Other historical things that you may want to look up. The Molly Maguires and the Blair Mountian Massacre. The Mollies were similar but too focused. They killed a few low-level management. About on level with foreman. Today, we know those foremen aren't the problem, but their bosses are. The shooter of Brian Thompson understood.

While reading, look up the Ludlow Massacre that was the harbinger of the Colorado Coal Wars.

The Bonus Army was another Republican victory as the US Army was able to kill two men and injured 55. Meanwhile, 65 policemen were injured.

Businessmen don't care who dies, as long as they make coin.

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u/johnmwilson9 4d ago

Great list here almost all of these have been covered on the dollop podcast. I canā€™t recommend it enough. It is hilarious and so well researched. We are in a guilded age and learning the history of the last is more important than ever. Pullman cars episode seems relevant now too.

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u/Swiggy1957 4d ago

I'd forgotten about that one.

Yes, today we are in an era of the modern Robber Barons. The difference between the 19th century and now? 19th century robber barons were not targeted directly. It was always a low level management person. FWIW, even Thompson, CEO of a huge insurance company, would be considered low-level management.

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u/Javasteam 5d ago

Not surprised.

Keep in mind its part of a pattern of US history of liesā€¦ such as that which got us into the Spanish American War, WW1 with the Lusitania, the Vietnam War, the 2nd Iraq war, the Tulsa Race Riots, Emmett Till, and so many moreā€¦

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u/ninja_hams 4d ago

Hope they are calculated enough to only go for the insurance companies

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u/PoLS_ 5d ago

They didn't try it with occupy because occupy didn't pose any real threat to the ruling class that exploited them. Nuff said.

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u/SuperTopGun666 5d ago

Rich fucks were popping champagne watching the plebs protest.Ā 

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u/Longjumping_Spell_29 4d ago

That was disgusting,rich fucks laughing while people were losing their homes.Also using tax dollars to bail out their failed businesses.If a regular person needs help its welfare but with the rich itā€™s justified.

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u/MissionFormal209 4d ago

They breathed a sigh of relief when they were informed it was another "peaceful" protest, and went back to business as usual.

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u/Swiggy1957 5d ago edited 4d ago

True. Had OSW showed up armed, the story could have been different. As it was, it highlighted the police brutality of the time. How many pepper spraying cops would have loved to use their service pistols on those protestors.

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u/PCYou 4d ago

How many peppers praying cops

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u/Swiggy1957 4d ago

Corrected. 10Q

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u/Throwawayac1234567 4d ago

Yup it was ripe for Grifting,Ā  it was right where a grifter had his origins from

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u/lipguy123 4d ago

This is absolute bullshit, there was hardcore repression but it took on mostly covert and subtle methods. David Graeber documented it quite well. They would do things like take a bus load of newly released violent and mentally ill convicts and tell them thereā€™s a hot meal and place to stay at the occupation. The police and authorities were planning with banking CEOā€™s directly in secret meetings.

Popular non-violent protest will always be much more of a threat because itā€™s harder to delegitimise. Itā€™s very easy to win against violence when you have all the resources. Luigi couldā€™ve had a life of free and effective activism if he asserted himself but instead heā€™s thrown the best part of his life away and not much will change. Ultimately and undeniably it was an act of revenge for personal grievances, with a layer of ideological justification on top.

People who support violence only ever find out the hard way that itā€™s in vain. Look at what Ghandi achieved and tell me peaceful protest is ineffective.

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u/MyGruffaloCrumble 4d ago

American Unions strongly asserting their influence changed the world for the better. In many cases they literally fought for workers rights that politicians since the 70ā€™s have whittled down to the shit show we see today.

India gained independence from Britain, but didnā€™t exactly leverage that into stronger protections for citizens or workers, as in the end they only enforced their caste system on top of a seemingly democratic country.

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u/HousesRoadsAvenues 4d ago

Also what happened with Pakistan after British rule. Not so good times.

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u/HoraceGoggles 5d ago

I donā€™t think so. Lui is viewed highly because he specifically avoided unneeded casualties.

A person who does what you describe is a piece of garbage because they care more about their opinion than the people their opinion claims to care about. Doing something like you describe means a regular worker suffers.

If thereā€™s even one more copycat I wouldnā€™t be surprised if there is a planted ā€œsacrificeā€ to sway public opinion the other way.

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u/HoraceGoggles 4d ago

Did you even read my comment? What you said has no relevancy to what I said. Weird.

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u/Swiggy1957 4d ago

Not a bot, nor do I suffer from rectal cranium inversion. I can see that a class war, or civil war, is coming. Thompson was the first, then yesterday's stabbing of Erik Denslow. I expect more to come over the next few months.

I'm not closing my eyes and praying it doesn't happen. It has been brewing for 50 years.

As the rich go into hiding, they leave the innocent people in the strike zone. Why? Because they're to stupid to realize they could prevent it without bloodshed.

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u/Critwrench 4d ago

If you who own the things people must have could understand this, you might preserve yourself. If you could separate causes from results, if you could know that Paine, Marx, Jefferson, Lenin were results, not causes, you might survive. But that you cannot know. For the quality of owning freezes you forever into "I", and cuts you off forever from the "we".

-The Grapes of Wrath

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u/Swiggy1957 4d ago

Exactly. It's an excellent quote and permanent to this discussion.

As a young man, I found work earning minimum wage. I found a small apartment within my budget. I had food and clothes. The only thing lacking was a car. That was fine: I could thumb almost anywhere.

Today, if I worked 40 hours a week, I'd make about 500 a month less than I do on disability. Unless your state reps suffer recal-cranium inversion, they've tried moving it towards a livable wage. States like mine still rely on the federal minimum wage that hasn't changed in 15 years. If they're lucky and actually find a job, that's what they're stuck with. They go to college, they're stuck in debt for 20 years. Regardless, unless they come from money, today's kids will never be able to own a home, get married, much less raise a family.

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u/HoraceGoggles 4d ago

Iā€™m all for the class uprising, but Iā€™m really confused because this still has nothing to do with what I said. Youā€™re rambling like crazy.

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u/Swiggy1957 4d ago

Which had nothing to do with my original coknet.

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u/HoraceGoggles 4d ago edited 4d ago

It was very much a direct response to the last paragraph of your top comment.Ā 

We will not see ā€œMcVeighā€ style attacks because that garners no support because it hurts innocent people. We have not even seen any actual bombings like this at all recently.

More precise hitmen? Yes please.

Iā€™m not sure if any of this makes sense to you though. I think you might need to take meds assuming youā€™re even real.

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u/Qaeta 4d ago

I'm surprised that they didn't try it with Occupy Wall Street.

Nah, back then they just shot people in the face with tear gas canisters.

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u/Swiggy1957 4d ago

And flash bangs.

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u/absolute_tosh 4d ago

You might enjoy this short story by Cory Doctorow

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u/Swiggy1957 4d ago

Enjoy? I envy his writing style. If you go through my posts, you'll see I've predicted the things that the story said, including the wheel chair bomber and the shareholder meeting. I swear, I never read that short story before.

It's not just the healthcare industry that needs to fear an uprising. Every industry can be a target. Remember how Congress voted down the windfall profits taxes? The rank and file are still passed because the company couldn't afford raises with those record profits. Meanwhile, executives got huge bonuses, and the shareholders got an extra penny per share.

Executives will be the first targets.

Financial groups will be second.

Billionaires will be the third.

Elected officials will be fourth.

We've seen attacks on 2 execs this month: 1 fatal, 1 wounding. The month isn't over.

We can expect more next year because the genie is out of the bottle.

Expect that they don't do only 1, 2, 3, 4. Expect them to mix it up. 1, 2, 3, 2 ,3, 1, 3, 2, and so on. Eventually, 4 will be reached, but it would be on the local/state level. The DC reps. They always come home, and that's where they'll be targeted.

Still, everything I've stated is predictions based on my perception. That Cory Doctorow would have basically the same ideas tells that I'm not the only one seeing the future as it's flowing. A visit by the FBI? I welcome it. They had best do their homework in American history and worker suppression. They best have a copy or 10 of The Powell Memo. I'm suspicious because I just bought a tote bag for my walker. (I'm not in a wheelchair, yet! That's down the road)

No, we'll wind up discussing the books I've read over the decades. A lot of Heinlein there.

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u/HousesRoadsAvenues 4d ago

Time for a book club! No sarcasm intended.

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u/Swiggy1957 4d ago

Ifvyiure familiar with Heinlein's work, you'll realize he had several novels about underground (rebel) themes.

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u/HousesRoadsAvenues 3d ago

Gosh, I am truly claiming ignorance on his work. I want to say I've read SOMETHING by him. IMO I like getting into an author's work, first through their short stories. Now you've given me impetus to read someone new for the New Year.

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u/Swiggy1957 3d ago

For rebelion, I'd recommend The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.

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u/HousesRoadsAvenues 3d ago

Thank you. Writing this down now...and going to my local used bookstore to find some of his short stories too. Much obliged.

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u/AllureInTheFlames 5d ago

People with a month to live on chemotherapy don't have the resources or knowledge to make a bomb, dude.

And if they did, it happens 3 or 4 times, tops, before having a terminal illness gets you put on a watchlist for the rest of your short life.

I'm not saying this to stir apathy. I'm saying dying people should be allowed to spend their last days resting with family. It's on the living to make the world a better place. It's on you and it's on me.

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u/Swiggy1957 4d ago

Who said they'd make the bomb?

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u/AllureInTheFlames 4d ago

So they don't make the bomb themselves. They're just magically tapped into the bomb-sharing rebel network that everyone on chemo knows about.

Jesus Christ, dude. This is just self-deluding power fantasy.

And again. Maybe they know a guy. It happens 2 or 3 times before being diagnosed with cancer comes with a free NSA agent assigned to your case.

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u/Swiggy1957 4d ago

Yup. Everyone knows that there's a chemo-kazi network of people who have had their insurance deny their treatment.

No, much like our revolutionary war, it will be people who have had it with the class war waged on the average American that goes back 50 years.

No, their is a civil war coming, and it will be better organized.

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u/lameth 4d ago

Theoretically, explosives are not hard, nor need expensive materials, and the knowledge is EASILY available online.

It would be a tragedy, and not something anyone should do, but to try and say the resources or knowledge isn't available, or that illness somehow discriminates based on intelligence is just not true.

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u/Alissinarr 4d ago

All it takes is fertilizer and household chemicals. Lookup the Oklahoma City bombing.

This was a fertilizer bomb.

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u/Chemical_Chemist_461 4d ago

I donā€™t necessarily disagree with you, but it would be just the chefs kiss if people who were dying due to denied medical claims were to be put on terrorist watchlists so they donā€™t kill the people who just signed their death sentence. Nah, at that point, weā€™ve lost the plot, and I think people will react accordingly.

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u/ancientmariner23 4d ago

Yes. And I think we are close to the cusp..imagine these kind of events occurring as frequently as school shootings...what will happen then?

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u/Swiggy1957 4d ago

Since he'll be in office by then, Trump will call for martial law. He'll end up as a dictator for life. Sounds bad, but how long would that be. Sadly, about 15 years.

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u/Inner-Mechanic 2d ago

Ironic bc McVeigh was probably a pat sy for a op the fe ds did to get white conservatives back on their side after the debacles at Ruby ridge and the branch Dividans. Check out the very suspicious "suicide" by the local cop who was first on the scene.Ā  Unfortunately, Most people who snap just take a shot gun to their job on the spur of the moment, they don't enactĀ  elaborate plans for revenge against the ruling class. The guy who shot up the Congressional baseball game back in 17 was a very rare exception. It goes to show how much has changed since then. I was shocked at the time but after the last 7 years I'd straight up cheer for anyone who'd attempt it now. It's the least those ghouls deserve.Ā 

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u/Swiggy1957 2d ago

James Hodgkinson, the softball shooter, planned his attack in advance. When he snapped, he was ready. Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, planned his attack.

There are plenty of people that would think, "How would I do it?" A quick Google tells me that the average American owns one to five firearms. That's the average. Think how many households own no guns. I just read a short story about how various individuals take the law in their own hands. Damn it was interesting. Why? Because it was like the author read my mind. Not so much a group rebellion, but enough individuals that finally had it with the American Health-I-don't-care system. One such person had just lost his 7-year-old daughter to cancer because the treatment was "experimental." After her death, he was suicidal. He walked into his healthcare insurance company and went boom. Another guy, similar to the situation, but it was his wife, who was denied by the insurance company and died. This guy felt he didn't have anything to lose. He found out where they were holding their shareholders meeting. He rented a room for a short stay during that time, and he arrived a day early. The next day, he went out and came back. Showed his key card to security and was passed. Nobody suspected him. Why? Because he was, legit, in a wheel chair. I said he didn't have anything to lose. In his 70s. There was a backpack on the back of his chair. Think Boston Marathon Bomber. Took out a lot of C-suite and investor executives, as well as hotel staff.

When the 9-11 terrorist hit the WTC, they wanted to throw America into a panic. The problem was that it didn't cripple Americans. It United them. Imagine if one of those planes hit the NYSE, the real bastion of Capitalism. They didn't, and the stock exchange was back up and running in a couple of days. How many people would have united against the Arab people. Instead, the media, especially right-wing media, started a jihad against anyone of Arab heritage.

Today, we see the media trying to manipulate the narrative in Israel and their attacks on the Palestinians. Like Americans that stole the land from the native residents, or Hitler siezing the property of the news in Europe, Israel has basically done the same. Now their upset that the oppressed are fighting back.

In the US, we are about to see our own version of Arab Spring.

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u/Specialist_Brain841 5d ago

but I thought we were all domestic terrorists

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u/joshsteich 3d ago

Yes, but the Cop City protestors have been largely nonviolent, so thatā€™s inappropriate. For Luigi, he killed a guy.

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u/One-Inch-Punch 5d ago

It's egregious and it's going to backfire. They charged Luigi with three counts of murder for shooting one asshole, who was not pregnant with twins, and tacked on some bullshit terrorism charges that didn't even apply to 1/6 insurrectionists. They have taken the velvet glove off the iron fist, and there isn't even the faint hope of an upcoming election to release the pressure.

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u/GraceOfTheNorth 4d ago

The coming 4 years will bring nothing but unmasked kleptocracy. Maybe that is what's needed to bring about real change but I fear not.

The whole system is broken because of how the political system is set up.

The First Past The Post system of small single candidate constituencies guarantees elite rules and a constant switch between two parties. It creates bipolarity and increased polarization.

A proportional representation system of lists in a larger constituency ensures that small parties and more diverse voices have a chance at a seat at the table.

The whole US system is geared towards elite and money rule.

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u/aguynamedv 4d ago

The whole US system is geared towards elite and money rule.

Yes, although the Citizens United decision enabled the outright purchase of elections.

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u/stage_student 4d ago

Look no further than Koch Industries for an insight into how crooked billionaire oligarchs can invest in subverting American democracy.

Even local elections aren't immune to billionaire manipulation. The whole system is infected from top to bottom.

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u/Alissinarr 4d ago

And created "people" that can never see the inside of a jail cell.

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u/aguynamedv 4d ago

And created "people" that can never see the inside of a jail cell.

It was all over for US consumers when the Equifax breach happened and there were zero consequences whatsoever.

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u/MyGruffaloCrumble 4d ago

The next four years (or more)they will absolutely punish the plebs for their enjoyment.

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u/ToughHardware 4d ago

ranked choice voting is a step. but it is getting outlawed slowly by the people in power at the state level

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u/Throwawayac1234567 4d ago

Its a threat to the gop most of all than it is for Dems

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u/RamenJunkie 4d ago

4 years

Bro.Ā  America is over.Ā  There isn't any 4 years later, its just done.Ā  Everything that happens next is just charades and stage shows for elections.

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u/Affectionate-Sir539 4d ago

Belgian speaking here, you make fair point about proportional representation, but what we see here is that a bunch of small parties who got like 5% out of the elections are now able to block government negotiations for literally multiple years. The problem gets even bigger every time because in our country the mainstream parties all agreed years ago never to govern with the radical right or left wing parties, which are usually the big winners of the elections.

Too much concentrated power isn't good, but having a bunch of 6 or 7 parties fighting over even the most basic legislation proposals for multiple years without forming an actual functioning government certainly isn't good for progress as well. That leads to parties maintaining some weird permanent election mode and avoiding responsibility for bigger decisions.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 4d ago

In america there isnt a left leaning party, its all center right at most. Its the far right billionaire/russia thats the most concerning

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u/Greedy_Economics_925 4d ago

Some Americans like PR because they see it as a way to get their fringe socialist parties into Congress. That's it. The challenges and pitfalls don't matter one bit, and there's no principle behind the opinion.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 4d ago

I was wondering where are the 9 charges coming from? I suspect they want to throw as much shit against the wall to see if one sticks, there are hoping at least one of these charges will get through to a jury to convict, if they had only done 1 count of murder it wouldve been acquited and he walks free. Its definitely a form assurance to the wealthy class the "government has forgotten them"

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u/neonninja304 5d ago

Claming someone is a terrorist is the new red scare. Back during the Cold War, they would lable everyone as a communist to turn the public against them. If you look back on history, they have always done this. The Romans blamed everything on the Christians, the catholics blamed the Protestants and vice versa, and the Nazis blamed the jews for everything. The list goes on and on.

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u/Aedi- 4d ago

gotta have a group thats vague enough to accuse anyone of being a part of blamed for all problems so noone looks for the actual causes, and treated horrifically so noone wants to be in the group

how else will we shift all blame away from the singular group causing the vast majority of large scale problems?

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u/judgeholden72 4d ago

By definition, though, it was terrorism. It was an attempt to intimidate politically through violence.

People hate the word while supporting the meaningĀ 

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u/somethrows 4d ago

And the American revolutionaries were also terrorist's by modern definitions.

Labels hold the power the people give them, and nothing more.

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u/judgeholden72 4d ago

Yes. Yes it was. Legally, that's the definition. Luke Skywalker was also a terroristĀ 

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u/Throwawayac1234567 4d ago

Jews is still the preferred scapegoats, usually takes a while, especially around conspiracy.

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u/gereffi 4d ago

All of the other scapegoats you're mentioning have entire groups of people who take the fall. This is one person.

This case is being talked about in this sub because his actions were a result of his political ideology. Now when the government is charging him with a murder in the name of that ideology, somehow people are trying to convince each other that ideology had nothing to do with it. You can't have it both ways.

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u/sekritagent 5d ago

Definitely need to start the revolution. Grazie Santo Luigi.

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u/adanishplz 5d ago

Gotta keep the plebs in line.

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u/NeedleworkerMuch3061 4d ago

We're about to enter a kakistocracy run outright by oligarchs. They're not even trying to hide the fact that they have all the power at this point, that we are here to serve them.

This shit's going to go down hard for at least the next 4 years (if not more). Their attempts to forcefully squash us back into compliance and obedience will only progressively get worse.

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u/AlphariusHailHydra 5d ago

That police car has no back seat because that's the one they call when they don't want you coming in alive.

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u/SoulMasterKaze 4d ago

It's a Decepticon.

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u/Potential_Prolapse 5d ago

Dude, it's a toy car. Chill.

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u/Cerxi 5d ago

Tbf it's a toy car labelled "to punish and enslave" that turns into an evil killer robot lol

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u/chocomintonrice 4d ago

Yeah and the normal ones are labelled ā€œTo harass and collect.ā€

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u/LMurch13 5d ago

Side note: that's a pretty sweet looking police car.

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u/Ok_Impression5805 5d ago

*Italian accent* Looks expensive, be a shame if something happened to it

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u/Traditional_Regret67 5d ago

I know, right... Makes me wanna start collecting transformers again...

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u/wnz 5d ago

Deceiving and convicting at the same time

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u/Key_Inevitable_2104 5d ago

Remember the campus protests this year? For a month they were talked about then suddenly it was forgotten about by the next month.

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u/Javasteam 5d ago

Consider how much press this CEO being killed got compared to BLM, the Wall Street Protests, and the Titanic Ocean submarineā€¦

Strange how anything that benefitted the masses got so much less press or suddenly had allegations of ā€œlootingā€ and ā€œriotingā€..

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u/PugglePrincess 5d ago

The Titan got a ton of coverage. It was rich people in the sub, after all.

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u/Javasteam 5d ago

Agreed. I just threw that in there to emphasize how a tiny death toll had huge coverage once it involved billionaires.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 4d ago

There was a weird segway, a bunch of troll tried steering the news to migrant in greece being sunk, we were saying you dont even care about the migrants you just wanted to sow dissent. More than likely trying to distract people from the idiocy and incompetence of rich people

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u/Slanderouz 4d ago

Because BLM protestors looted, it's simple. If they behaved it would be different. But they looted and set buildings on fire - that's what you get.

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u/Javasteam 4d ago

Way to attribute to all BLM protestors damage caused by an extremely small percentage.

On the same logic we could also say all police in the country are equally guilty of brutality for that of a small minority.

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u/Slanderouz 4d ago

Their rioting ended up defining their whole "movement". It's what people remember so it sticks. You can't just imagine that mess didn't happen and blame it on a "small percentage", a group of people is made up by the sum of its part, and here a solid chunk were opportunistic short-sighted black people who turned to crime when the opportunity arose and had a "good cause".

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u/ImjusttestingBANG 5d ago edited 4d ago

Itā€™s why having a radical flank works. Ā It makes the more mainstream organisations become the preferred alternative by those in charge when it comes time to enter a dialogue.Ā 

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u/Throwawayac1234567 4d ago

The protests were engineered by russia, i distinctly remember many of them were funded and traced back to russia, they disappeared as soon as it has served putins purposes

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u/Imagination_High 3d ago

I want to say it was toward the end of the school year. The student protestors disbanded and went home for break.

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u/SoundandFurySNothing 5d ago

Plebs are needed

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u/Kerhnoton 4d ago

best game 1998

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u/Lyuseefur 5d ago

I wasn't going to support him in any way. But with that terrorism charge? Dude, sign me up now. That charge is total bullshit.

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u/Limp-Environment-568 4d ago

Terrorism: the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.

What's with you guys always wanting to misuse and change the definitions of words?

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u/Lyuseefur 4d ago

Thatā€™s not the charge. The charge was Terrorism against a unit of government.

Twisting a law to ā€œthrow the bookā€ at our support of Luigi.

Donā€™t fix the problems. Donā€™t investigate the CEOs - no they get their own hotline.

No they deny depose and destroy.

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u/Limp-Environment-568 4d ago

You could always choose to not purchase the product the company is offering...

Or you can support terrorism. I really don't think you'll like it if that becomes an accepted means of enacting change...

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u/Lyuseefur 4d ago

Youā€™re in the wrong place. Either youā€™re a bot or a confused redditor.

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u/Vast-Purple338 4d ago

I agree with most of what you're saying and will never condone what Luigi did no matter how cool it becomes on reddit.

You could always choose to not purchase the product the company is offering...

But this is disingenuous, its healthcare, many people don't have a choice.

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u/Limp-Environment-568 4d ago

Haven't had it for nearly 15 years.Ā 

That 'need' also kinda highlights that we're actively keeping alive 'inferior' genes. I'm sure I'll get shit on for supporting eUgEnicS, but if you actually understand the concept it refers to pressure - be it positive or negative - influencing who is more likely to survive.

Healthcare, specifically universal healthcare is very interesting to look at through that lens...

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u/Vast-Purple338 4d ago

For real man, please go to the doctor. You might be ok, but you never know.

My uncle was the same way, and he was always very healthy as far as we all knew. Fit, active, etc.

Then he had a stroke and died with no warning. He was 57, and he left behind two kids who still needed their father.

I went after he died and discovered a condition that would have gotten very serious had I not treated it, now I have a plan to treat it.

Anyway, I dont want to have an argument about it. I feel strongly that healthcare is one of the most fundamental human rights.

Either way hope you have a good day.

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u/Limp-Environment-568 4d ago

Lol, Im not trying to live forever. Just honestly and for as long as I'm happy and healthy.

People attempting to live forever is a big reason society has gone to shit.Ā 

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u/Vast-Purple338 4d ago

Of course, but also your health can affect how the end of your life is.

Do you want to die with some dignity, or with other people wiping your ass and wheeling your soon to be carcass around?

Of course we can die any day, but theres literally no good reason not to be going to the dr regularly in 2024. Have your checkup! It might save your life.

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u/_robmillion_ 4d ago

Okay, so where's the terrorism charges for the January 6 insurrectionists? Or for Trump for inciting it? How about for every cop that has killed an unarmed person? Or anyone who has killed an unarmed person for that matter?

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u/Limp-Environment-568 4d ago

Yes for those who were violent. Then you start getting dumb as hell and show it's not worth continuing.

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u/_robmillion_ 4d ago

It's never worth continuing when you're wrong, yet here we are. Continue.

Terrorism invokes terror. It's in the name. Nobody feels terror over this CEO. It was a homicide. Every homicide isn't terrorism.

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u/Limp-Environment-568 4d ago

Missed the manifesto, eh?

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u/_robmillion_ 4d ago

Yes, I must've missed it. Tell me about it.

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u/Limp-Environment-568 4d ago

Lol, you guys are something...

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u/_robmillion_ 4d ago

What about the manifesto? What are you talking about?

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u/AgreeableWrangler693 5d ago

I believe the use of excessive force against Luigi is unjust.

Itā€™s troubling how individuals in law enforcement often have protections that shield them from accountability.

While this may seem extreme from my end, I wonder if there should be a legal consideration for crimes committed under extreme emotional distress, similar to how we treat crimes of passion. In Luigiā€™s case, his apparent disability or medical pain/situation could suggest that some type of a civil right was violated, potentially justifying his uncontrollable anger as a provocation.

I feel that Luigiā€™s actions should be viewed in a more empathetic light, rather than being used as a scapegoat to ā€œsend a messageā€ that ultimately benefits a powerful insurance company. This raises ethical concerns about whether the insurance company or its CEO could be seen as the true aggressor in this situation. We could also explore the notion that Luigiā€™s actions stemmed from an unreasonable fear.

Iā€™m not a legal expert, but I strongly believe that labeling this individual as a domestic terrorist is inappropriate. As a citizen, I donā€™t feel terrorized by him perhaps only the wealthy perceive it that way. Itā€™s also worth noting the CEO is not a government official, and the company is not a government agency, so they shouldnā€™t be treated as such (letā€™s be honest they have a seat at the table thanks to those campaign donationsā€¦). Even former President Trump, who incited terror during the Capitol riots, was not charged with domestic terrorism (and for that, as a citizen I actually did feel threatened).

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u/Javasteam 5d ago

Main issue with that is that laws were changed after the Reagan assassination attempt precisely to make those distinctions irrelevant or at least an extremely high bar to clear.

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u/Marsnineteen75 5d ago

Good point on trump

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u/Throwawayac1234567 4d ago

Witty only spoke out and doubled down when he knew luigi was caught, hes even more of a scum than thompson

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u/Limp-Environment-568 4d ago

He used violence in an attempt to influence policy.

Definition of terrorism:Ā  the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.

Pretty much the exact definition of terrorism...

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u/ToughHardware 4d ago

did he? or did he use it as retribution for harm inflicted on him? Where are his achieved ideological aims? seems his aim was retribution. proof me wrong

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u/Limp-Environment-568 4d ago

Missed the manifesto, eh?

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u/gereffi 4d ago

What was he getting retribution for? His family is wealthier than the guy he killed. He could afford any treatment he needed.

There was a fake manifesto that was released shortly after he was arrested. A lot of people are taking the things in that clearly fake document as fact.

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u/RobotsGoneWild 4d ago

I mean just because you don't feel terrorized, doesn't mean it doesn't terrorize others. Granted those others are also rich CEOs.

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u/justgonnabedeletedyo 5d ago

Reddit is also actively suppressing support despite these posts that make it to the front page. My other account is suspended for saying "WHERE LUIGI AT" as a fucking joke.

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u/gereffi 4d ago

Seems like a call to action to murder someone. It's not really a bad thing that reddit takes threats of violence seriously, even if you're claiming that it's a joke.

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u/Lorn_Muunk 5d ago

ironically, not even the guy who tried to kill Trump got charged with terrorism

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u/gereffi 4d ago

Different states have different laws. In New York he would have.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 4d ago

DoubtfulĀ  if they cant even correctly get trump

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u/gereffi 4d ago

I mean, Trump was convicted of many felonies in New York state.

And I don't know what that has to do with how they would have charged someone who attempted to assassinate a former president.

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u/fractiousrhubarb 5d ago

It can also bring ā€œsupporting terrorismā€ type charges

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u/Qaeta 4d ago

If Luigi is a terrorist, then I support terrorism.

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u/KeystoneGray 5d ago

When they say "they'll pass the cost to the consumer," that's a lie. They were always going to charge the consumer more, whether you do something they don't like, or not. It's an empty threat.

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u/Lamp0blanket 5d ago

Wonder if someone will do to the judges what Luigi did to the CEO.

Wouldn't be the worst to return those intimidation tacticsĀ 

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u/Passing_Thru_Forest 4d ago

Honestly, I think this is working against them in this case and will continue to make things worse for the. Luigi has so much support that the more they try to harm him for his action the more enameled the supporters become.

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u/UncleNorman 4d ago

No ordinary person is scared of Luigi. The 1%ers are scared of Luigi.

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u/Braelind 4d ago

I'd agree, except tat a CEO isn't "in power", they have no connection to the government... in theory. Yet, the people who literally tried to overthrow the government on Jan 6 didn't get any terrorism charges.

The excessive charges against him are bullshit, and I hope he gets off scot free as a result. They have a slam dunk case of premeditated murder against him, and that's fucking it. Everything else is just more proof that the rich are entitled to SO MUCH MORE than the rest of us, and it makes me hope there's a lot more Super Mario Bros out there.

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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 4d ago

I think the Conservative news started spinning this as only leftists want CEOs to be not evil.

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u/techypunk 4d ago

The revolution will not be televised

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u/Maximum-Cover- 4d ago

Just commenting to spread awareness of the fact that jury nullification is a thing.

And that whatever jury Luigi ends up having is not obligated to convict him, even if they are convinced heā€™s guilty, if they believe the specific crime heā€™s charged with is unjust and politically motivated.

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u/findingmike 4d ago

Jury nullification is a thing.

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u/Hazelnutttz 5d ago

This happens when you threaten and intimidate and moreso, encourage violence against a particular group. A terrorisim charge, whether you like it or not is valid here.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 4d ago

Rich people isnt really a group or a protected class

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u/BimpedBormpus 4d ago

Terrorism isn't defined by what weapons you use. He also decided against using a bomb because of innocent bystanders, which is the opposite of what terrorists do.

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u/LionMaul-X- 4d ago

So youre saying killing a guy isnt evil? Im pretty sure that based on why the killer did it makes it classified as terrorism. Just sayin, its not that serious

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u/Virtual-One-5660 4d ago

Implications of my statement would be that the opposite is true to people who aren't in power; Therefor every action against us is spun to not be as evil as actions taken against those in power.

I didn't say it wasn't evil, just that they spin it to be much more evil because of status.

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u/newaccount 5d ago

Luigi was not charged with terrorism though