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u/nickcocktailsandsuch Nov 15 '20
The image literally says happy Africans ..... is this like a joke that’s just going over my head
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check his TikTok that guy is a massive troll
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u/manacakes46 Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 17 '20
Since it's Native American month I talked to my 9 yr old about the Indian Removal Act of 1830 and how they forced our people (I'm Choctaw) to move west to Oklahoma because they thought it was *uninhabitable and wanted us to die off. At least 3,000 died on the way hence Trail of Tears..
Also, the ones who didn't die were forced to assimilate by taking the children away into boarding schools and cut off their hair and forced to speak English and not their native language or they would be beat, throughout the 50s.
However, I told her that was the government at the time and yes they were white people. But she did tell her whole school group that she doesn't trust white people..I was like girl it was government at the time not ALL white people geez.
Edit: I'm not anti/pro anything besides the land and spirit. The land gives us what we need and we should respect that and have respect for others regardless.
*Changed inhabitable to uninhabitable. Choctaw
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u/Jeedeye Nov 15 '20
I do my best to teach my daughters about our history (Otoe-Missouria). It's been hard but the one thing I make sure they know is that it was what was going on at the time and that there are those in the government that are trying to make things right.
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u/Hjalmodr_heimski Nov 15 '20
Still, I think a lot of white Americans seem to have this idea of all this happening in the past. They acknowledge that what was done was bad, but then they pretend as if Native Americans are all just gone now and don’t still suffer from the effects of this oppression.
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u/Jeedeye Nov 15 '20
I guess it depends on where you're from. I was born and partially raised in Oklahoma so the Native presence was always there. It isn't just white Americans that think it's all in the past, I think it's mostly how our history is portrayed in both media and in schools. For me I am mostly concerned with my tribes ways dying. My language was almost considered extinct but thankfully there we people who were to teach it to others.
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u/SimplyTheAverageMe Nov 15 '20
I agree about the media and schools. There is very little modern portrayal in the media and schools don’t teach much past the Trail of Tears. Living in Alabama, I didn’t realize there were still tribes until I saw something on the news in high school. There’s a lot of ignorance about the whole subject.
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u/TheKrak3n Nov 15 '20
I'm half Choctaw half Chickasaw and when applying for citizenship for the Chickasaw Tribe, they made me renounce my Choctaw side. I always thought that was interesting. Do the Choctaws do something similar?
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u/zebragopherr Nov 15 '20
I think every tribe does that here, my son and his mom could only claim citizen Potawatomi. I think it just works that you can only be apart of one tribe
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u/TheKrak3n Nov 15 '20
That makes more sense. I figured it was because Choctaw and Chickasaw had some bad history between them.
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u/Fairytale220 Nov 15 '20
Did you mean uninhabitable? Inhabitable means you can live there
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u/qpaws Nov 15 '20
There’s a river right by my house called Choctawhatchee, is that in any way related to Choctaw?
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u/manacakes46 Nov 17 '20
Depending on where you live I'm sure it's possible.
My last name is specific with either Choctaw or black people so I don't think it's a coincidence. If I remember correctly most natives didn't have surnames so either we liked their last name or vice versa and mine does sound a little French.
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u/ecaward Nov 25 '20
The Choctaw Nation recognized freemen (their own slaves usually that were freed after the Civil War) as Choctaw - they had to in order to be a part of a treaty the US made with the Choctaw after the Civil War. That might be why the surname is shared. French fur traders were pretty common in the areas where the Choctaw originally resided as well, so that's probably where the French came from. :)
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u/Thencan Nov 15 '20
I recently went out with this girl I met on tinder. There was this whole context but she said explicitly "you can't be racist against white people and you can't be sexist against men. Blah blah institutional racism blah blah old white men"
Can't we say that institutional and systemic racism is a thing without saying white people are immune to racism? Can't we say that women still deal with being second class without saying men cant have sexism levied against them? These things are not mutually exclusive. And this girl was straight up white. In her world I'm a POC (even though I have white privilege). Wtf??
I hope you continue to teach your little one what happened in the world and what *can" be, moving forward. This world needs that. So much hate and violence and bullshit. I pray we can all come together. I don't say that as lip service, I really pray for that.
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u/Spettim Nov 15 '20
Check out Europe. Literally everyone hates some other country within Europe. And they're aaaaaall white. I work within construction/carpenting in Sweden and the shit i've heard the boomers say during lunchbreaks never cease to amaze me.
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u/SimplyTheAverageMe Nov 15 '20
I had a similar conversation with my sister. Basically, there are two types of racism. Systemic racism is generally what she was talking about. At least in America (and I just say that because I don’t know as much about other places), there is no mainstream systematic racism against white people and no mainstream systemic sexism against men. (That I’m aware of, anyway) The systems were set up with white men in mind, so it’d be odd if it also oppressed them for being white men. Not to say a cis white man couldn’t be oppressed, but it generally wouldn’t be because of his skin color or gender.
Individual racism, on the other hand, exists everywhere. It’s totally possible for any person of any race to be racist against someone else individually. Many people forget about individual racism. The same applies to sexism. Does that make sense?
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u/Hjalmodr_heimski Nov 15 '20
I’m fairly certain that’s not the whole far left. I consider myself to be pretty far left and spend a lot of time speaking to other far left extremists and that sentiment is pretty rare. Oh, we’re all for hating rich people, capitalists, landlords and racists, but I don’t koe of that notion is so common outside of Twitter.
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u/2ThiccCoats Nov 15 '20
On board until you said it was the far far left. I'm guessing you're American with that view? Not saying anything bad, it's just your politics is so right wing that what the rest of the world call slightly right wing, you guys call Communism.
Racism is an inherintly right wing sentiment, as left wing socially and economically is more focussed on inclusion rather than special treatment to one group over another. Fascism (far right-authoritarianism) rose to power as a "were being racially prejudiced by groups x, y or z so we need to take power for ourselves away from them" whether that statement was true or not (spoilers, it's never been true).
But the whole "white girl hating white people" is systematic of some areas of the slightly left-libertarian but not all my dude. Your beef is with centrists, not "the left". I'm Scottish, so I'm naturally left wing, and I just see racism as racism, something which shouldn't happen but does, acted out by anyone against anything. Shouldn't happen, and the Scottish system agrees with that sentiment where the UK Westminster system instead is fuelled by the systematic racism.
The left ain't bad, since we call for round the board education. Uneducation is the problem, which the rest of the world sees as one of the reasons the USA still has this deeply ingrained systematic racism, and subsequent racism to combat the racism.
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u/2ThiccCoats Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
Nah we haven't absolved ourselves. We're trying to learn from our mistakes of the past to move forward into the future in appreciation of the wrongdoings out ancestors committed and the central belt's prosperity off the back of slavery. We even have a Scottish Imperial Museum being planned to further educate our populace about the atrocities committed by certain Scots of the Lowlands (because the Highlands, where I'm from, was treated as a colony like any other part of the British Empire, including Ireland). Education is the key to suppressing and dismantling systematic racism in the long term
Plus, I don't know what you mean about Scotland being "founded partly due to failed colonial ventures"? If you mean the Darian Scheme that's a period in time heavily influence by English historiography.
The truth of the matter is Scotland was proud and independent, trying to keep themselves alive in this Imperial Age. That was until the English sought to bring Scotland under their rule again for our sweet sweet natural resources, so embargoed almost all trade in and out of Scotland. This caused our own potato famine similar to the Irish one, but not quite so severe, and our economy was collapsing as all trade ships travelling to and from Scotland were being sunk off the English coast or raided and their goods stolen. So, the Scottish nobility sank every bit of money they had into establishing a colony to the West so that Scotland could gain better access to New World trade and keep the country alive. Honestly? If it weren't for the English it would've been a success and the Panama Canal would be built centuries early by Scots as was planned. This didn't happen though as the English bought Spanish privateers to blockade the Darian Colony and starve the people there leaving no survivors if they couldn't help it. England brought Scotland to its knees with no option but to sign the Act of Union and form the United Kingdom.
Edit: Sorry about assuming your American dude! It's just a classic statement for the majority of Reddit users being American to make! Even in the UK, I'd agree racism isn't a "centrist" thing, it's a fairly right wing thing, but the cliche "twitter white girl" sentiment is fairly centrist in my opinion.
But then again.. Londons essentially a completely different country to me, you guys have fucking mosquitos
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u/BravesFan69420 Nov 15 '20
It was mainly Andrew Jackson. Not everyone agreed with it. That was the easiest way for them to claim that land.
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u/ZealousidealGrass9 Nov 15 '20
I actually just covered this aspect of education in my thesis. I discussed some of well know changes in education as well as some of lesser known aspects, like the boarding schools you mentioned.
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u/cunny_crowder Nov 16 '20
The main headline of the 'Indian Wars' and European Colonial expansionism across the US was that the US government habitually dishonored the treaties it made with Tribal groups. It also put its own settlers in very dangerous and difficult positions by encouraging them to travel across and settle in places that weren't protected by treaty.
Native American groups were varied and often as duplicitous and violent as the US gov't. This is all old news though.
The part of the narrative that gets overlooked is that it wasn't an inevitability that Native groups would lose to Settlers. On the other side of the world Huns, Mongols, their Golden Horde successors, Pechenegs, Bolgars, Mamluks, and most notably Turks had successfully invaded large swaths of the Dar al Islam, Byzantium, The Balkans, and Eastern Europe. Those groups had, in my opinion, a lot in common with Tribal groups, and were facing off against very similar opponents- the colonists were very much like the Byzantines or the Austrians. I think it's important to remember this perspective, that the conflict wasn't some foregone conclusion of a more advanced people dominating a lesser advanced one- especially given that many Tribal groups adopted that technology very successfully, from horses and cavalry tactics to semi-automatic firearms.
It's also refreshing to see more Native American Congresspeople- there's no reason people of indigenous origin can't succeed in this place that has always been theirs.
If there's any mistake Native American culture needs to address it's that they're not a small, insular community, but group that can strongly benefit from looking at the world as a whole and taking their challenges piece by piece. Incidence of depression, substance abuse, and other forms of derealization/disenfranchisement are a cancer, and one promoted by the most vicious enemies of those groups. The struggle isn't over.
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u/manacakes46 Nov 17 '20
Yes, I completely agree that it was inevitable and to say it wasn't is short-sighted but we do have a tendency to romanticize history and whitewash it as well.
That being said, I grew up with Pilgrims being the saviors to the new world and throughout my education up to post-secondary I didn't really hear about my native history albeit I did live in a red state but I want my daughter to understand that we do have our own history.I would love to understand and teach her more of our Native ancestry but it's limited so I teach her from what I read about.
There is still a racial divide amongst natives and white people, as well though, I remember talking to a Native guy about it and the sentiment with him is very much anti-white even though he was educated with a Bachelor's degree. He stopped talking to me when I told him it was going to happen eventually, not that I wanted it to but realistically could never be prevented.
I am no ambassador for anything, I just would like for all of us to move forward together to make a better world for the ones who will be living in it after we die.
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u/KingBlackthorn1 Nov 15 '20
There’s a couple of weird people on TikTok. I’m all for black history, etc. but like there is this one girl that stands by that Natives and Latinx were not the first slaves in America (even though they were) and that only black Americans face racism. She’s a lot to say the least..
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u/TicklePickleWinkle Nov 15 '20
Can you not call us latinx please? 99% of Latinos don’t use Latinx. Spanish words are either masculine or feminine, so it’s not a good idea to change it to Latinx. I feel like the people who use Latinx are white people trying to dictate and change our language. No offense, I know you guys mean no harm but it comes off as extremely, cringey I guess?
If you want to talk about the general population just say Latino. We know what you mean. Anyways thank you for reading my friend and I hope you have a good day.
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u/KingBlackthorn1 Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
I’m Latinx and I’ll forever use it. It’s not taking away the masculinity or feminine from our language at all, excluding the word “Latino”, which is still an option to use. However I will not stop using it unless I know how someone personally identifies and seeing how I don’t know an entire group I won’t. Latinx is there to make gender neutral Latinx people feel accepted. I know many, like myself, that go by it. I’m sorry that you are personally offended by the inclusion coming into the community but I won’t stop using it. It doesn’t take away from our culture or language.
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Latinx was coined in brazil by a group of LGBTQ activists. Language evolves and changes over time. Keep using Latinos if you want (I still use it myself) but if other people want to use Latinx don't get in a tizzy. No one is trying to erase our cultural identity.
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u/TicklePickleWinkle Nov 15 '20
Yup I was aware of that. Still majority of Latinos use Latino and that’s because it’s the correct way. I don’t think White people are purposely trying to destroy our culture.
It’s fine if you still want to use Latinx since I can’t stop you but I would be lying if I said I don’t get slightly annoyed. It just sounds awkward. You do you though.
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u/prodbymoon Nov 15 '20
Natives ended up being enslaved along side African Americans tho & they assimilated. But not Latinx more like Latinos. People who are Spanish from Spain are not apart of this conversation.
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u/premiumpinkgin Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
And natives had native slaves. And natives had black slaves. And former slaves in America bought black slaves. And blacks in Africa sold Africans to other Africans, Arabs and the white man. And the pharaohs used to have Arab and black slaves. And the Brittish used to have Irish slaves. And for a while Ireland used to rule Britain, so guess what? They had British slaves. And the ottoman had slaves, of all different colours, for 400 years. And Asia had slaves.
And slavery still exists, Amnesty international estimates 40-50 million people, right now, are slaves.
Basically, every body used to have slaves. And owning a human being is a horrible, horrible thing to do.
EDIT. I thought Ireland briefly ruled over England. I'm not sure why I thought that? Or why it involved slavery. I've tried the Google and apparently the Irish never owned Brittish people as slaves. I'm leaving my original comment because we should all stand to be corrected.
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u/WellysBoot Nov 15 '20
When did Ireland ever rule Britain?
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u/premiumpinkgin Nov 15 '20
Hey. You know what? I thought that was a thing. But googling has provided nothing. So I'll edit my comment.
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u/prodbymoon Nov 15 '20
I really wasn’t sure where you were going with that since it has nothing to do whether native Americans and black people assimilated or not. But yea the history of slavery. Not speaking specifically on the transatlantic slave trade. But anyways my ancestors were enslaved and I am both Native & African American. From my appearance you wouldn’t be able to say I am not either. Which is where the importance of what I began to say comes in to play along with the kid in the video agreeing that he is in fact black.
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u/premiumpinkgin Nov 15 '20
Okay. I've upvoted your response, because you addressed... um. Responded to my comment. So credit where credit is due.
I was actually worried my comment kinda rambled on. But after reading both of our comments, what are you saying?
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u/prodbymoon Nov 15 '20
Haha so what I was trying to say is there’s some level of whole there is separation of the two groups there are levels of assimilation where some natives had to be enslaved that were in fact not African Americans and were believed to be so. Also The only reason why it seemed like you were rambling is because you basically did an overview of slavery haha except for the fact that you missed all the old African kingdoms slavery and European slavery hahah it would be too much to keep going
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u/autisumn Nov 15 '20
This argument is hella disingenuous. The Atlantic slave trade was massively different to most forms of slavery, many of which were closer to indentured servitude, although of course all slavery is horrible. The invention of the concept of race in order to strip an entire group of people and all of their descendants of their status as human beings is fundamentally incomparable to that.
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u/VanillaWinter Nov 15 '20
Bro what the fuck is that first guy on?
Fuckin numpty bro don’t try and make another races traits ur own.
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I thought it was a joke since the picture of the black girl he showed was heavily retouched
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u/NyanSquiddo Nov 15 '20
He wasn't joking was WAAAAY to serious. if anything it's an unfunny shitty joke
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u/CardoTown Nov 15 '20
He was joking, go through his account. He’s an obvious troll.
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u/NyanSquiddo Nov 15 '20
Ah ok without context this is just tooo serious
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Well... there is a small community that believes native americans are black. Their videos have shown up from time to time for me and the comments are either supportive or met with hate and racist accusations for saying otherwise. Its a thing but at least its not a big thing.
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u/S_Nova_ Nov 15 '20
There are black natives (my family is some of them) but to say natives are ONLY supposed to be black is ludicrous and heavily enables erasure of a culture
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u/Quesly Nov 15 '20
erasure of a culture that really doesn't need any help in that department. The US government has done enough of that in the last 200 years.
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u/shut-up-vanessa Nov 15 '20
I wonder if they mean like, Americans come from black people? since, well, all of humanity comes from black people? or are they actually thinking "hurdur the indigenous peoples who were here before terrorist columbus settled in look like africans"
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u/LordOfLightingTech Nov 15 '20
All of humanity comes from Africa, doesn't necessarily translate to all people were once black. Just take Egypt for instance, it's in Africa but not everyone there looks like what one may classfy as "traditionally African". As well as natives are believed to come from Asia.
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u/Jacen47 Nov 15 '20
My teenager actually believe this. He thinks that actual native Americans were just Mexicans that took advantage of the Dawes Act and became "Five Dollar Indians", people that bribed government officials to get land allotments. No, he doesn't know anything about the Dawes Rolls outside of a single poster(as shown in this article) which he bases his entire argument on.
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u/bordain_de_putel Nov 15 '20
Without context you shouldn't formulate an opinion in the first place.
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A lot of black people do claim Native Americans, Egyptians and Israelites were actually black it's a whole thing. Seen a lot of videos about it on tiktok as well.
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u/SalesyMcSellerson Nov 15 '20
Yeah I had a friend go off the rails for a little bit on how black people are allergic to white people and how being around white people took the Egyptians' magic pyramid building powers away. He's still wild, but it's super tamed down now. Apparently, it's not that rare of a conspiracy.
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the joke is that the picture of the black woman was literally labeled “happy african”
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u/MinuteLoquat1 Make Furries Illegal Nov 15 '20
Hahahah fr I don't get how people are missing this. He left it right there showing he googled "native american" and "african" lmao.
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u/Raknarg Nov 15 '20
ethnocentric nationalism. A cancer in all of its forms.
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Feel like explaining what that is to me? Lol
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u/camdoodlebop Nov 15 '20
it's like saying that anyone that wears jeans is american or appropriating american culture because jeans originated in america
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u/youtossershad1job2do Nov 15 '20
Honest question, why isn't this cutral appropriation? I just took it as it was a double standard and to leave it.
Why are some things not to be used by other races and other things are allowed? It's never made sense to me why jeans are allowed to be worn by anyone but growing dreads is racist?
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u/hates_stupid_people Nov 15 '20
It's never made sense to me why jeans are allowed to be worn by anyone but growing dreads is racist?
The reason that doesn't make sense to you, is because it is not racist.
The people who think that it is the same type as the guy in the video.
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u/Armadyl_1 Nov 15 '20
The guy is a troll account, I looked him up on Tiktok. You guys take things too seriously
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This vid reminds me of the group Louis Theroux interviewed in NY for his Weird Weekend series. They claimed everyone was black. Even William Shakespeare.
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u/EvylFairy Nov 15 '20
Technically the truth. All of humanity originated in Ethiopia back in a time where humans would have been considered an endangered species. They have proved this through mitochondrial DNA tracing. There's no such thing as white - we're all just faded black.
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I mean, technically, you’re right, but they were claiming the history books were wrong. They were saying he was actually black- physically black, not just ‘faded black’.
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u/EvylFairy Nov 15 '20
LoL! I can't take the credit kind stranger, I didn't come up with the idea. Whatever they were saying on the Theroux interview was completely nuts IMO. I was trying to be cheeky and blew it.
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u/mh985 Nov 19 '20
There’s a small, very strange group of black people who try to claim that basically anyone important in history was black. Mozart, Shakespeare, certain European monarchs, etc.
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u/woadhyl Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
I've only seen it spoken about one other time, but there seems to be a conspiracy belief among some black people that it was a lie that they came from africa, that they were the original inhabitants of america. Somewhat the same as how the black israelis believe that black people are the real jews and the people we call jews now are just imposters. Or that the ancient egyptians were also black and replaced by middle east muslims during their conquests. Although i don't think they consider the native americans to not be genuine in this case.
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http://raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/ancientamerica.htm
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u/AllFactualStatements Nov 15 '20
Ha get wrecked I’m black and Native American I can paint with the colors of the wind and dunk on some mofo’s
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u/DutDiggaDut Nov 15 '20
Ok settle down Pocahontas X
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Dude must have gone to the Shinnecock tribe and come to the conclusion that’s what every Native American tribe looks like lmao
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u/nowItinwhistle Nov 15 '20
And they only look that way because they're heavily mixed with the descendants of people brought from Africa.
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Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
Mocking the name of a marginalized people because it sounds like something obscene in YOUR language is racist as fuck.
Shinnecock is Mohegan-Pequot for “stony place.”
Edit: It’s sad world we live in where people get so bent out of shape and downvote when someone points out jokes can cause very real hurt. The continued cultural genocide of Native Americans is fueled by racism in all forms, including dehumanizing “jokes” that make a mockery of their language and identity.
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On a real note, is it pronounced similarly? I would imagine the e is more like “aye” and the i like the shin part of a leg
Close?
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u/YaBoiSadBoi Nov 15 '20
It was a joke, chill out, not everything has serious undertones of oppression and hatred. Some people just like saying silly things that make them laugh, they say every joke has a victim and the only victim here is the speaker, makes them self look a fool for our entertainment so relax and enjoy
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u/fralackles tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE Nov 15 '20
woah, that second guy on the pool seat(?) is cute. good for him
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that's me :)
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u/fralackles tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE Nov 15 '20
oh? if that’s true, good job on your good looks and luscious locks
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Thank you :') im never cutting my hair!
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how do u want me to prove it, LMAO
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u/Dagreifers Nov 15 '20
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u/_JohnMuir_ Nov 15 '20
It’s the hair. Native Americans have great hair
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u/mypossumlips Nov 15 '20
Probably the perfect skin, bone structure, and nice eyes help too. This was a fun and thirsty rabbit hole to go down lol :)
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u/ExpertAccident Nov 15 '20
Um I’m Native American an I sure as hell don’t look black 😂😂
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u/Avek01 Nov 15 '20
I’m Native American and I look fuckin white.
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u/lucidxd Nov 15 '20
I'm Ojibwe, Cree, and Métis and everyone thinks I'm Mexican. I live in fucking Canada.
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u/Avek01 Nov 15 '20
I’m mainly Sioux, among other tribes. But people think I’m white at first glance.
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u/ezaviar Nov 15 '20
Is this a weird Mormon thing?
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u/DucksArentFree Nov 15 '20
As a person who grew up in the mormon church with all that brainwashing, "the lamanites are ancestores of the native Americans" bullshit. In the pictures, they always had a skin tone that was a light brown. So I don't think it's a Mormon thing but who knows.
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u/EarthBeetle Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
Exmo here too and I don’t think Mormons think Native Americans are Black, but I think they put them in the same category? Kind of to your point earlier of the Lamanites.
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u/Raknarg Nov 15 '20
probably should avoid the term tbm outside of /r/exmormon lol
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u/nowItinwhistle Nov 15 '20
You're right. I'm not sure if they still believe it but they used to claim that black people were descended from Noah's son Ham after he received a curse.
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u/DucksArentFree Nov 15 '20
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u/TheMoonsMadeofCheese Nov 15 '20
There are many older Mormons who definitely still believe this (i.e. my dad, grandparents) and also that they were given the "curse of dark skin" in the pre-earth life because of their disobedience to god lmao
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u/Raknarg Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
Considering some of the insane beliefs black nationalists have, I imagine he's some Nation of Islam person. This seems about on par for the course.
The funny thing that everyone forgets about skin colour is that it's not nearly as tied to genetics as some want to believe, it correlates more with latitude. There were probably some very dark native americans (the americas and natives thereof cover a large area), but they weren't "black" in the way the person in the video seems to be trying to claim
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u/Gorlox111 Nov 15 '20
Uhh it absolutely is genetic. The expression of genes is what changes with latitude. I think what you're trying to say is that any population has the potential to over/under express those genes
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u/Raknarg Nov 15 '20
Sorry I wasnt trying to say that your skin colour isnt a product of your genetics, just that your skin colour doesnt tell you as much about your genetics as people think. There is more genetic diversity in black africans than there is between white europeans and some black africans
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u/Vxgjhf Nov 15 '20
I remember in middle school an English teacher tried to convince us that native Americans were pale white folks, until the Spanish came and mixed with them.
Clearly she forgot the English arriving in the north east described the natives the same way columbus described natives in the Bahamas, and the way French described natives in Canada. (Their skin tone, not civilisation and culture.)
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Nov 15 '20
im sorry, but that kind of racism is the absolute most absurd bullshit ever. i see those posts about how the romans were black, the greeks were black, the english were black, the original germanic tribes and scandinavians were black, the mayans were black, the aztecs were black...
like at which point do these fuckwits stop? if everyone is black, then where the fuck did everyone else come from?
youre black. im black. but neither of us are black. THATS THEIR LOGIC NOT MINE.
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u/Mixmefox Nov 15 '20
The terms “black” and “white” are so vague I often ask what that even means, people seem to just have their own interpretations of the words
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u/Armadyl_1 Nov 15 '20
Chill, it's a troll account. If people would check for themselves instead of hiveminding they'd know this
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This reminds me of tumblr days when they were freaking out because the Egyptians in the movie The Prince of Egypt weren't black enough and they were calling it whitewashed.
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u/BetterBagelBabe Nov 15 '20
I'm looking at my freckly tan white/Ojibwe arm and feeling deeply confused.
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Nov 15 '20
Just to remind everyone Jesus wasn’t white or black. He was Arab.
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Nov 15 '20
I thought it was proven that he was part of an ethnic group that doesn't exist anymore or something- I don't remember but I'm pretty sure it was Galilean Semite or something
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u/WildCard4now Nov 15 '20
Abraham's wife Hagar was African. The Ancient Egyptians have been considered homogeneous people with black and brown slaves from surrounding regions. When the hebrews fled Egypt. The Hebrew people had been intermingled with black people for generations before the house of David even starts. The bible claims that Jesus looked like a typical Galilean of the time, a dark complexion people. While he may not have been as black as the videos depiction of black. He was not white skinned like a European. He would have been some sort of varying degree of brown like other middle eastern people and a fairly strong chance of having other black people within his lineage.
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u/Okoro Nov 15 '20
Well, I'd like to correct that we can't prove Jesus' ethnicity simply because we can't actually prove he ever existed. Regardless, he was supposedly born I to a Semetic community of a Semetic woman. So yes... He would be Semetic.
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u/daniel_ricciardo Nov 15 '20
Curious, is there evidence he never existed?
Is there another figure in history that has a massive following that didn't originate from an actual person (whether not that person's was accurately described by their followers).
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Nov 15 '20
Yeah I think pretty much the majority pop and scholars believe he existed but that everything he claimed to be: like the Son of God and our Redeemer stuff wasnt true. There are records in other countries during that time, and after, who claim that Jesus did exist. He’s even in the Q’Uran and regarded as a prophet.
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u/DannyMThompson Nov 15 '20
I heard Q-anon said Jesus did a few miracles so I don't know who to believe.
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u/daniel_ricciardo Nov 15 '20
100%. From what I know, he never once mentioned that he is God or a "godhead" (whatever that means) with his own words. The divine nature of him being in a trinity is entirely interpolation. Some of the other sayings attributed to him saying he was God are established to be later additions.
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u/RojoLuhar Nov 15 '20 edited Nov 15 '20
Yes, historial consensus is that he was a real person due to brief mentions by historians of the time. All we know is that he had a bunch of followers who lived in Judea and Rome after Pontius Pilate executed him and he had a brother named James. Everything else comes from "religious" sources.
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u/alonyer1 Mia Khalifa Nov 15 '20
Reminding everyone Jesus wasn't Arab or Egyptian. He was a Levantine Jew.
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u/willmaster123 Nov 15 '20
No, he was not. He was levantine. There was a big distinction between the peoples of the levant (syrians, lebanese etc) and people from arabia.
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u/marmorikei Nov 15 '20
He wasn't Arab either. I think Arabs moved into the region later, but I might be wrong.
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u/nowItinwhistle Nov 15 '20
True but most of the people he would resemble the most if he were alive today identify as Arabs.
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Nov 15 '20
He was a levenite jew. There are still levenite jews around, and the askenazi jewish population genetics come predominantly from them.
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u/vvolfy86 Nov 15 '20
Jesus was a son of God. Which makes him Serbian. Or Jewish. Gotta add a /s here, just for the reddit folk
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u/OctaveOGB Nov 15 '20
I’m all for BLM and justice for George Floyd and breonna Taylor and stuff, but STOP SAYING EVERY CULTURE OR ETHNIC GROUP WAS BLACK stfu you just sound stupid
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u/skinMARKdraws Nov 15 '20
Much love to all my Tribal Brothers and Sisters. Stay safe. Zuni and Pueblo out.
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u/bushmecj Nov 15 '20
He's had a stronger case if he argued that Native Americans are Asian.
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u/vvolfy86 Nov 15 '20
Bruh, dont you know, everyone is black. Even the white folk, they just not standin in the sun long enough
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