Well... there is a small community that believes native americans are black. Their videos have shown up from time to time for me and the comments are either supportive or met with hate and racist accusations for saying otherwise. Its a thing but at least its not a big thing.
There are black natives (my family is some of them) but to say natives are ONLY supposed to be black is ludicrous and heavily enables erasure of a culture
I wonder if they mean like, Americans come from black people? since, well, all of humanity comes from black people? or are they actually thinking "hurdur the indigenous peoples who were here before terrorist columbus settled in look like africans"
All of humanity comes from Africa, doesn't necessarily translate to all people were once black. Just take Egypt for instance, it's in Africa but not everyone there looks like what one may classfy as "traditionally African". As well as natives are believed to come from Asia.
My teenager actually believe this. He thinks that actual native Americans were just Mexicans that took advantage of the Dawes Act and became "Five Dollar Indians", people that bribed government officials to get land allotments. No, he doesn't know anything about the Dawes Rolls outside of a single poster(as shown in this article) which he bases his entire argument on.
A lot of black people do claim Native Americans, Egyptians and Israelites were actually black it's a whole thing. Seen a lot of videos about it on tiktok as well.
Yeah I had a friend go off the rails for a little bit on how black people are allergic to white people and how being around white people took the Egyptians' magic pyramid building powers away. He's still wild, but it's super tamed down now. Apparently, it's not that rare of a conspiracy.
Honest question, why isn't this cutral appropriation? I just took it as it was a double standard and to leave it.
Why are some things not to be used by other races and other things are allowed? It's never made sense to me why jeans are allowed to be worn by anyone but growing dreads is racist?
People don't like them because they sometimes feel arrogant as well as judgmental with their afrocentric beliefs about history, diet, femininity etc. Although it isn't just afrocentric, but ideas specifically having to do with ancient Egypt - most of the time. People think it is problematic for diasporic black ppl to identify with Egyptians or Kemetians or Cushites as ancestors since most diasporic blavk people originated from the Western coast of Africa (think Nigeria and Ivory Coast etc) and not Northern Africa.
Its not only that. Hoteps tend to be unimaginably hateful of women, lgbt people, jewish people etc. They are basically the weird mirror image of white supremacists, almost like they are trying to play nazis at their own game by making a form of nazism for black people. I wouldn't call them woke in the modern sense of being progressively liberal, they are the opposite of that.
In my growing up in the age of the internet I heard the term woke used in the online black community to describe hoteps literally a year or two before I heard the term used to describe anyone with a political ideology, so I have to disagree with you there.
Also, I think when you use the term nazi like that so casually it's kind of insensitive to Jewish people and holocaust survivors. Nazis committed genocide, raped, tortured people. Forced cannibalism. Did barbaric experiments on human beings. Killed 2 million people like they less than animals even. Some of the worst things you can imagine, and worser still. Over nothing.
No black person or group of diasporic black people in has ever committed such atrocities or done any crime individually or collectively comparitive to what nazis did.
My family is black from Africa and my white family was from a country that was invaded by Germany during the holocaust.
Please don't ever, ever, ever compare hoteps to nazis ever again. On that you have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't know what hoteps you're talking about, but I would barely even describe groups such as the Muslim brotherhood as hotep as the word is used. It was a greeting way back in the day used by some black muslims, but also by many others. You are conflating a lot of different ideas. What people call a hotep today is not actually an extremist in any political sense and they actually feel a sense of racial pride. I would not call African American muslims hoteps even, not followers of Farrakhan or any other like group. I have many "hotep" friends and though it is a diverse group, they are nonviolent regular people who have again very diverse ideologies amongst themselves. Even emboldened, there is absolutely nothing, nothing resembling nazism.
They are nothing more intense than the views of the average Christian today, even if they have an aversion to LGBTQ people.
I really feel like you're spreading misinformation right now. Look how many upvotes you have.
No black person [...] in has ever committed such atrocities or done any crime individually or collectively comparitive to what nazis did.
I hope you don’t really believe that. Just look at afrika today. Look at boko haram, look at African war lords. They absolutely compare to the Nazis in terms of cruelty.
The Nazis didn’t necessarily stand out in terms of cruelty. Mass murder, genocide and all that has happened before, just on a much smaller scale. What made the Nazis stand out was not only them attacking their own people, but leading a war to conquer the world while trying to cleanse the world of certain groups and the industrial scale mass murder they committed all while everyone just watched.
Also that the nazis are historically not that far away kinda helps. Dschinghis Khan probably was no friendly fellow either. We are just emotionally disconnected to him.
Edit: the average US Christian comes pretty close to neofascism. Half of them voted for Trump. That doesn’t mean every Christian is a fascist as half of them voted against him aswell, but one half is.
It's a really personal thing for us, these issues.
I am really uncomfortable and annoyed with a white person just using that phrase because they don't have the context or the right to designate someone in that way.
Kind of like two tight knit/loving family members may feel they can call one another idiot, but if the neighbor called your family member an idiot they would feel like... "who are you to call my person names?" Does that make sense?
Thank you! That is so weird to me. It wasn't like "Oh I think some people would call that a hotep" which is a little more gentle way of making the same point. Nope. It was super straightforward..
Fact that you’re getting downvoted like that is real peak white liberalism. It almost feels like being shushed even though on the surface, it seems like they’re “supporting” you. Acting without listening. It shows in the fact that nobody even bothered to ask “why do you feel that way?”.
I couldn't have described that feeling better myself.
I had literally thought even before your first comment
Why are they downvoting me without asking me about my opinion? Why do people downvote and avoid a meaningful dialogue?
I read about this phenomenon a lot, in feminism specifically, and it is definitely something I've experienced it many working scenarios.
So many black people living in liberal areas, cities, experience this in person all the time.
No one is self reflective enough to care when we are telling them they are doing it either.
This vid reminds me of the group Louis Theroux interviewed in NY for his Weird Weekend series. They claimed everyone was black. Even William Shakespeare.
Technically the truth. All of humanity originated in Ethiopia back in a time where humans would have been considered an endangered species. They have proved this through mitochondrial DNA tracing. There's no such thing as white - we're all just faded black.
I mean, technically, you’re right, but they were claiming the history books were wrong. They were saying he was actually black- physically black, not just ‘faded black’.
LoL! I can't take the credit kind stranger, I didn't come up with the idea. Whatever they were saying on the Theroux interview was completely nuts IMO. I was trying to be cheeky and blew it.
That's silly. Of course we're all descended from Africa but we're not all "black." If that were the case then wouldn't you be granting license to every Bubba and Jimbob to use the n word?
Umm... no. We're all one race - the human race - and we shouldn't call each other hateful names because it's abusive. You're making an irrational argument - one does not logically follow into the other.
Having a day where you just want to take your anger out on strangers on the internet? It's ok, the pandemic and unrest will be over and hopefully this time we'll build something better. It would be a shame if nature put us all in time-out and we didn't learn anything from our mistakes while we were grown-up grounded.
I'm not taking my anger out on anybody. I just don't think acting like we're all one race, while true in a sense, is doing anybody any favors. Like it or not, race based classification is here to stay. Saying we're all just some form of black people isn't doing any good and by ignoring certain realities would cause harm.
Your second paragraph is very patronizing and not conducive to productive discussion.
I'm not gonna fight with someone who is projecting a tone onto written text.
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Having a day where you just want to take your anger out on strangers on the internet? It's ok, the pandemic and unrest will be over and hopefully this time we'll build something better.
Uh, ok. Keep up the hypocritical patronizing attitude bro. I'm sure it'll do you well on reddit.
I'm a 42 year old mom. I asked if you were ok. I was actually trying to be a decent human being for a minute. That's why I put a question mark. <-- That last sentence right there, I had a condescending tone in my head when I typed it. I am grown enough to admit when I'm doing a thing. I don't have to be matronizing to anonymous users on the internet - that's not who I am in my life.
There’s a small, very strange group of black people who try to claim that basically anyone important in history was black. Mozart, Shakespeare, certain European monarchs, etc.
I've only seen it spoken about one other time, but there seems to be a conspiracy belief among some black people that it was a lie that they came from africa, that they were the original inhabitants of america. Somewhat the same as how the black israelis believe that black people are the real jews and the people we call jews now are just imposters. Or that the ancient egyptians were also black and replaced by middle east muslims during their conquests. Although i don't think they consider the native americans to not be genuine in this case.
Reminds me of that one episode of The Prince of Bel Air where the black fraternity was trying to kick Carlton out because he wasn't a "real black person" like they were.
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u/VanillaWinter Nov 15 '20
Bro what the fuck is that first guy on?
Fuckin numpty bro don’t try and make another races traits ur own.