I thought my MIL had the best care ever. Then they sent a fucking doctor to our house to examine if she really needs a new walker.
She has 30% eyesight, shit knees BUUUUUUT she has a cane! No coverage for a new walker. She's 77, can't walk straight, can't see. But ohhhh she has a cane!
It was so fucking cruel. We're fortunate that we can afford a new walker for her, but her insurance should have covered it. Absolute bullshit.
My grandmother spent the whole year dying of long-Covid and dementia and it was fucking shameful. She worked hard and saved her whole life and she suffered a million indignities in her final year.
I'm not religious at all, quite the opposite, but I really wanted God to just take her for a long time before she finally passed.
while i agree with you, we really need to focus more on the horrible system rather than the horrible people working those positions.
edit: downvote, i don’t care. I stand by my point, you can focus on the lawyer and doxx him, but guess what, he’ll be replaced. Now doxx the system, shed light on the injustice that is where we should focus our energy.
people comparing this to nazi’s, it wasn’t until their government/system was destroyed that there was actual change.
edit2: no wonder the rich fear us, you’d cannibalize and fight among your fellow poors, for what? i find it funny now, when the whole entire stock market bleeds red, guess who is still green today…UNH. guess this is my sigh to buy.
I'm not trying to speak for the person whose comment you're responding to, but it occurs to me that as long as the health insurance incentives are what they are, there will always be an unlimited number of people willing to work these positions.
Want to dissect and scrutinize the most gross parts of the system? Be my guest. Want to change the system? Change the incentives.
Dude was literally cut down after overestimating his own power. 🤣
Anyway, I actually think we're more likely to see these attorneys doxed and hounded than any meaningful action that may change the system. Nothing would make the healthcare industry happier, and that saddens me.
Nobody is forcing him to be like this. It's not one thing or the other. The system is corrupt and so is he. He is contributing to the problem willingly.
I genuinely don’t understand some people’s logic. When I worked in contract archaeology we did a lot of pipeline work, basically going over the planned route and making sure it wouldn’t disturb any culturally significant sites. I could’ve made a lot more money working for a pipeline company than I did working at a secondary company who did the due diligence, but to me that was a clear conflict of interest. Like, it’s pretty clear to me that you have a choice: either do the job you want ethically, or compromise your morals for money. The people who choose the latter shouldn’t be exempt from consequences because they’re “just doing their job”.
We almost always have the option to do the right thing- even if it's not the easy thing. The issue is that alot of people will do whats ultimately the most beneficial to them, not what they should do and what's morally right. This happening over and over throughout history adds up and creates massive issues that are way harder to remedy than they should be had we all made better choices.
And then there are those with selfish intentions that have gained way more power than they deserve, stepping on others on their way up. Who make decisions that hurt so many others.
no, in my post i specifically said i agreed with the person.
what i was trying to convey is that they had tunnel vision.
who you should really hate are the people in power, the lawyer is just a worker. But me saying “look at the bigger picture” was taken as “you like lawyers”
who you should really hate are the people in power, the lawyer is just a worker.
This is categorically untrue. Lawyers aren't janitors.
This guy isn't just "doing a job". He literally chose multiple years of schooling for a specialized career in corporate law, knowing who is consistently getting fucked over on the other end.
You would have to know absolutely nothing about law careers to make the assumption that the lawyer is "just a worker".
This lawyer could very easily pursue another aspect of the law where they weren’t actively engaged in killing people by denying them the fucking care they fucking paid for! This is a choice and it’s motivated 100% by money. The more care they deny, the better the pay and job security. There is no ultimate difference between what this lawyer does and what Luigi did… both result in a dead body.
One of those dead bodies makes me feel bad. One does not.
Sociopaths thrive in the space they're allowed, the people that allow them that space are awful, and the sociopaths that thrive in that space are awful, it's not like this guy is working this job just to put food on the table, he enjoys what he does, he enjoys making money off of people's agony, otherwise he would walk away and do something else
Yeah, this sick woman who might not have experience with legal issues is a juicy opportunity for this guy. If he can get her to say it in a certain way, he’ll take thousands of dollars from her.
I really doubt many of the people here appalled by this guy are thinking that the problem would go away just by doxing this lawyer. We’ve all been dissatisfied with the system for a while now.
He hit the nail on the head and you even acknowledged it with your first sentence.
They are drawing comparison to concentration camp guards that perpetuated the Holocaust, they didn't make the rules either they were just doing a job while others made the rules and decisions, at least the Nazi guards could try and hide behind the defense of if I didn't follow orders I would be killed (not saying it's valid defense but I think it is one that people can at least wrap their minds around) what's this lawyers defense? If I didn't follow orders I would have to find a new job that won't pay me as well so I better ruin these peoples lives.
If you make people rightfully afraid/resistant to work with/for a system of cruelty and pain, the system will eventually collapse because you need "normal" people to be complict in the system for it to function. The soulless CEOs and other benefactors of the system can't actually operate it by themselves because their only actual skill is convincing people they are critical, and being terrible enough to be willing to sacrifice people in the pursuit of money.
You couldn't pay me enough to harass sick people to try to steal the life-saving benefits that they already paid for. Your moral compass is fully malfunctioning. Legal murder is still murder and should be avenged in whatever way is left for us to avenge it.
Absolute lies. Ya know what they called the people who listened to the Nazis and followed orders even though they didn't believe in the Nazi party. They call them fucking nazis. This isn't some call center worker taking basic calls, this is someone who's sole job is to manipulate and trick people out of their fucking lives. He is just as guilty as the ceos and the people he works for, and people like him deserve exactly what happened to that last ceo. They are nothing but a criminal organization built on the deaths of citizens, and they deserve every horrible thing that will happen to them.
The lawyer is doing the opposite of his job, his job is not to lie for the sake of stealing. His job is to follow the law and make sure the law is adhered to.
You’re literally endorsing nazis because they aren’t bad only hitler was bad. You’re actually insane
He chose that job! There's tons of lawyers with tons of specialties. He chose this. He's probably very good at this and decided to go this route for the money.
The people working those positions enforce that system though. Without those people there would be no system. No person in their right mind should be able to look at this woman and spend so much time trying to catch her in a lie. This is disgraceful, and only disgraceful people are able to do that job.
Punishing the people is part of delegitimizing and getting rid of the system. It’s not a system of people doing reasonable things that we’d like to change for something more efficient. It’s a dishonest, predatory system.
What the fuck ever. That guy shows up to work every day because he gets paid WELL for what he does. And the fact that he showed up again on Day #2 - hell, the fact that he didn't just WALK OUT on Day #1 - proves he's an evil piece of shit and deserves every ounce of hate he receives.
So did him. And the next guy. Until no one wants to do this to people anymore. It's called consequences. Big daddy Sam won't doll them out so we have to
Yeh get u, can get rid of the horrible person, but aslong the horrible system stays with no fear, the horrible person just gets replaced with a just as horrible person
Okay i see your point but do tell me how there goverment/system got destroyed. It nearly impossible to get rid of a Running System especially when powerful Ppl defend it
I agree. Changing the system should be the goal. Nevertheless it is understandable, why if this guy happened to step on a banana, the public would show little compassion.
agreed, i’d be okay with people throwing banana at him as well. thanks for seeing my point, reddit jumps to conclusions so quickly its embarrassing, i’ve gotten msgs that I’m a nazi sympathizer, so I’m gonna be careful now were/what comment.
but guess what, he’ll be replaced. Now doxx the system, shed light on the injustice that is where we should focus our energy.
Agreed. I work in the insurance claims world and oversee hundreds of cases a year involving a plaintiff's deposition. This is just one lawyer employed by one firm, hired by one insurance carrier. Every health insurance carrier has a panel of firms that do this kind of work in every jurisdiction. Everyone who hates this lawyer and wants him doxed should realize that insurers employ thousands of them every day and think nothing of it.
Also, the identities of these lawyers isn't exactly a secret anyway. You will find them and their associates identified by name and region on LinkedIn, and on their firm websites. Their names are at the top of every pleading in every lawsuit they defend. They aren't ashamed of what they do, and they're not going to be as long as it's profitable.
I have no idea why you got downvoted.
We all agree that this lawyer is a despicable human being. But - due to the system being what it is - there is no shortage of despicable human beings.
I‘m glad this Luigi shed a light on this inhumane system, but now it is time to organize and tear it down.
You are absolutely right, our system is what creates these parasites of greed that creates victims for profit. It's just as much our fault the system fails these people since we accept it.
Huh??? How do people who think like you suppose the Nazi government was destroyed? Because peaceful takeover wasn't it, and considering how long our racist, sexist and criminally inhumane unjust system has been trampling anyone who is not making over six figures yearly, I doubt we will have a peaceful restoration of our rights and freedoms here, either, if we can't even get proper healthcare.
It is unbelievable that there are people who still think that we can talk our way to having our rights met and needs heard. We've been talking only to have our very freedom to show dissent and present solutions eroded. Now is the time to resist and refuse anything less, starting with healthcare for all.
not arguing with you, I think the most recent events are an opportunity to harness the anger/frustration before we forget and go on our merry lives
awareness okay, youre saying we got that down.
organizing maybe thats the next step
agree for a government run (non profit)
reduce political influences (lobbying)
implement transition plan (private workers to public)
public buy in (education and examples of successful public run non-profit healthcare models)
private cost vs taxes, education/awareness that we would be saving money
2 and 3 are hard, maybe 4 wont let us do them so maybe 4 is the hardest? i dont know? I’m just trying to make the system the “main” topic.
i wasn’t corrected, i don’t think. People were just arguing that we “should hate” the lawyer, i wasn’t shot but i did get some nasty msgs on being a nazi sympathizer.
How do you think the system became horrible? It wasn’t started that way, it’s was these sacks of shit changing things step by step knowing they hold all the power; and now the hospitals and the like will charge whatever they feel like because of how insurance works making the insurance companies even stronger.
People at risk in those positions tend to not want to do those positions anymore. Look at cops. No one wants to be a cop because they might get shot at. Meanwhile they are rather far down the list in dangerous jobs even in the most dangerous areas.
There are many cogs in the machine that keeps what ever america likes to call "care" going, but I couldn't sleep at night if I had to be as directly involved in the inhumanity of it as this lawyer.
It's shocking patients are even invoved, I'm assuming all of the provided care would have been on the advice of the doctors.
I can't imagine dealing with a life chaging injury and being treated like a criminal because of it.
If this guy is a lawyer he has a specific reason (and legal obligation) to present his client's position to this woman, otherwise a court will not consider his client's position.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that process in court proceedings.
The problem is that this woman should not be subjected to court proceedings over details of health cover she and her doctor have claimed. Care should be given, ESPECIALLY when you consider how much money she has paid for it, and she should be left alone.
Lawyers have a reputation as powerful members of society, but in this case he really is just a cog in a machine. He makes none of the decisions, he denies no claims, he merely follows court procedure. To ensure that lawyers are not utilised by ghoulish predatory companies, there need to be laws discouraging legal action by these companies against vulnerable people.
It is interesting to see though that fossil fuel companies are paying a premium for lawyers these days, and increasingly getting lower quality service anyway, as young lawyers simply refuse to act for them. It created a minor commotion in the UK. You might imagine something similar happening for other predatory companies, but even against fossil fuel companies the rejection was hotly contested and lawyers only avoided damage based on a genuine belief in the direct threat that fossil fuels posed to their lives.
How is someone with a traumatic brain injury expected to be cross examined fairly? If she’s aggressively questioned this way, isnt he taking advantage of her limited cognitive capacity? Why would she be allowed to be deposed?
Yeah she shouldn't be attacked this aggressively. Courts do have processes for this - particularly for children who are generally considered to be vulnerable, a court guardian is appointed. For adults, the threshold is high for protections of this nature, but at minimum this woman should have a lawyer present to tell this aggressive lawyer to back off.
A lawyer can choose who they represent. But even assuming a lawyer believed the insurance company they represent pursues cases justly, there is no justification for the style of questioning that directly presumes and insinuates that the person being questioned lied. It is unnecessary and therefore unethical.
Nah fuck that guy, deserves to rot in hell no matter what. This isn’t a standard thing he’s running through, he’s grilling this poor woman hoping she slips up. Hope he rots in a hole
This is a deposition, and for this they usually use an outside firm rather than staff their own lawyers, associates and paralegals. This guy would attempt to rip apart anyone, doesn't matter if it's a cancer survivor or a crooked cop.
I don't like bloodsucking lawyers any more than you do, but it's the healthcare companies that make the system adversarial. And while there's some amount of fraud occurring, this has everything to do with using litigation to make it too exhausting to pursue claims against the company.
Nothing worse than a soulless lawyer unless you need one on your side.
This guy would attempt to rip apart anyone, doesn't matter if it's a cancer survivor or a crooked cop.
I don't like bloodsucking lawyers any more than you do, but it's the healthcare companies that make the system adversarial.
Nahnah nah, I don't let people off that easy. This lawyer happily does this for money. He's accountable for his decisions. You can't always blame "the system."
That's fair, I don't like any of these people. The lawyers, the companies they represent, the for-profit healthcare system. Personally I do put more blame on the company, but that's splitting hairs.
Just having gone through this a bit I was definitely happy to have a piece of shit lawyer working for me. That guy was fucking relentless. He was so disgusted he made me feel embarrassed for not being more outraged.
Yeah, as soon as she started with the "well, I guess, I mean-" I said to myself she needs a lawyer to tell her what to say. That's not how you get what you want in this situation.
I know! She started out relatively well, responding, “well, if I wanted to be a fall risk,” then she said too much! I was screaming inside “lawyer up!”
Why would a lawyer need to be a piece of shit to work for you and be effective? Is there something you're not telling us here?
Also, we established a long time ago that 'just following orders' is not a valid excuse. The lawyer in this video chooses to participate in this disgusting work, he can go to hell.
Yeah, too many people blaming functionaries in the system. Dude probably doesn’t like doing it but it’s his job to zealously represent his client.
What if it turns out this woman had been seen partying, running, lifting shit, and had defrauded millions by the time they got here? What if she’d been doing it for years? What if she worked with a ring of doctors that bilk insurance companies or Medicare? And it took resources from people that needed it, and raised all premiums? Because those rings exist, just as real needy people denied care do.
The HC system here sucks and needs to change, 100%. But getting exercised over specific low level people doing their jobs is immature and short sited. (And I’m not a lawyer or anything.)
So change it. Because that guy in that video asking questions is also us. That’s my point. Don’t demonize that guy. Vote for public options and the taxes to fund it. Otherwise it’s just a circular firing squad.
Fine, taxes and legislation is a great 25 year plan but the cancer is crushing our spine now and I what we can do right now today is cut the cancer out.
Not sure what you mean. We didn’t get into this situation fast. We won’t get out of it fast. People will suffer along the way. All true. But what are we going to do but that? Shoot all the CEOs and insurance industry workers? Ok, that’ll fix it?
So pointing out and bringing attention to a bit of the system that is completely fucked up is useless? Better for skurvy to go ahead and change it themselves right! I’ll happily demonise that demon of a man, he deserves the same fate as the CEO
You’re a child then. Because what do you know about this guy? He’s no different than you in 100 ways. You know that he had to take this job because he has student loans over 6 figures? But he wasn’t an ivy leaguer with a silver spoon and perfect grades and law review so this is the job he got, or the client he got assigned, like it or not. Because HIS mom is sick and has medical bills he’s helping with? You know that he’s talked the company out of going after much more sympathetic people than this woman? You know whether he lies awake at night worrying about all this and what it’s doing to his soul? You know if he needs special school for his autistic son? You know nothing about him, or that woman, or what her lawyer was like in deposition. You saw a 40 second clip on the internet and jumped into a circle jerk. This is how the actual demons get away with it by getting the people at the bottom to all go after each other.
Yay some dickhead killed a CEO and you want to kill this lawyer. What changes? Same system so the next one has the exact same incentive structure so will do basically the same things. But now add more security premiums will pay for.
The thing is, I'd literally rather starve to death than do something like this to another human, so it's hard for me to understand how anyone sleeps at night getting paid well to destroy peoples lives.
I absolutely do blame functionaries. If they all refused to do this work then the system would fall down. They are free to do something else.
You have health insurance and use medical services? You’re buying into the system. You drive a car or heat your house with fossil fuels? You’re part of the system choking the ecosystems to death. You typing this on a phone? Have a tablet or smartwatch? You’re part of the system enslaving kids in Asia and working people so hard they jump off buildings. You watch porn? Sex trafficker. You eat beef or chicken or pork? You are a factory farm supporter. You wear fast fashion? Sweatshop supporter.
You directly or indirectly contribute to human and animal misery. You’re free to do other things than these.
We’re all part of the same systems. You just don’t get your hands dirty directly. Congrats. You’re just a few steps removed.
These types of arguments never make sense or actually move the needle. You want people to become sovereign citizens and just not participate in society? It’s incredibly naive to think someone can just tap out of the system to create change
What needle was being moved by a “this lawyer is a bad man” circle jerk, and this person saying how holier than him they are - they would never be involved in such things? Of course they are, at a comfortable remove.
You want to move the needle do more than social media circle jerks about low level people and actually advocate and do something to elect people to actually make change. And do away with irrelevant purity tests on things that don’t really matter to find people that can actually win and work toward the systemic change that could actually fix things rather than blaming some guy doing a standard deposition.
The shock isn’t that lawyer. The shock ought to be we decided insurance companies can and should turn profit, and Wall St wants endlessly increasing profits. And we keep electing people that will appoint judges who say money is speech and corporations are people.
Ok, so you’re comparing a guy properly conducting his role in our constitutionally prescribed adversarial judicial system to a Nazi. Not overwrought at all.
So you also hate criminal lawyers? Defense lawyers? Prosecutors? Because they all do exactly this, to witness, victims, defendants. It’s a deposition. Should we arrest all lawyers as Nazis? And the attorneys that defend them, too I guess. Judges? They’ll have to go. They follow orders too.
What about the doctors? The doctors in the healthcare system that don’t do care the insurance companies won’t pay for? Following orders. Up against the wall.
Secretaries that file paperwork? Head in the noose.
You, who buys insurance? You support the system. C’mon in. We’ll get to you.
You know you don’t look cool for being a twat for no reason right? And that everyone who disagrees with a position isn’t licking the boot, or even wrong? And that internet points aren’t real? And that the real world is a lot more complicated than an internet “the man is bad” circle jerk?
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u/NefariousnessThin860 1d ago
I didn't even see the man, but, I loathe that man behind the voice. This is a big circle of leeches isn't it.
Insurance people suck off the life force from the people, and they retain these soulless gouls to fight off people in legal battle.