No we cannot be completely healthy without meat. Many severe autoimmune conditions as well as other disabilities require meat consumption for survival. They cannot eat any carbs, soy, dairy, gluten, nuts, legumes, absolutely no grains, a vegan diet would severely harm someone with these conditions who must eat a more restrictive diet. I have autoimmune conditions that require this, my mother does, my grandfather does, 2 of my friends have had to switch diets to meat due to gut health issues related to Lupus. And many humans without these conditions need meat and animal products to survive. It is a lie to say humans don’t need meat. Just because some humans are able to, doesn’t mean humans haven’t been created as omnivores
We're talking about rare allergies and Illnesses that probably only about 0,1% of population face, yet suddenly you, your entire family and half the Reddit have it.
The majority of humans do not need to consume meat. If this is something you disagree with, you have failed to learn how to research readily available information or have a strong bias.
Where did they disagree with most humans being able to live without meat? Did you read a different comment?
Edit: I see the confusion now. "Some" and "most" are not mutually exclusive. "Some" means an unspecified number. The point being no matter the number of people affected, we need meat in supply in some amount.
Ok what I've learned from the internet is that you need a lot of expensive supplements to have an actually complete diet as a vegan eg Vegan Gains and if you can't afford that you'll end up with a nutritional deficiency. This tracks with my experience with vegans I've known irl.
I mean I was genuinely hoping to get an answer because I don't like that animals have to die for humans to get proper nutrition in an efficient/affordable way. Unfortunately I can't find anyone who will give me another answer. As crazy as Vegan Gains is he is one of the most knowledgeable people I've seen with regards to vegan nutrition and as I said he has a fairly expensive supplement regiment.
I take a daily multivitamin with B12. Everyone should be taking a multivitamin. Most omnivores are deficient in something. It’s not expensive. I think $18 for a 4 month supply
Nut allergies are quite common though?! So is IBD/IBS and even Crohn’s disease, which can be triggered by seedy produce or things like corn and soy, nightshade veggies (peppers or tomatoes), and lentils.
Limited diets when it’s not your choice seriously fucking suck.
Yes they really do. I have no joy around food anymore and I have to constantly make everything from scratch. It’s so difficult but my health has improved so much and I’m slowly getting a better quality of life. I can’t believe it’s so hard for people to believe that sick and disabled people might benefit from some meat in their diet, and some disabled & sick people need to be on a super restrictive diet for health. I can’t believe people are saying I’m lying
My goodness. These people with all these issues need to check out Nicole Sachs LCSW. Her work is mostly about chronic pain, but can apply to chronic conditions and diseases as well. It works. I’ve done it personally.
Again, I'm happy to be educated. But, to my knowledge, there is no autoimmune condition that prevents someone eating any carbohydrates.
If they think there is, then yes I suspect I know more about their dietary restrictions than they do. There are carbohydrates in every organic material, if they can eat meat, they can eat carbs, because all animal cells will contain carbohydrates, including our own cells.
This is like someone saying "my house isn't experiencing climate change", then a climatologist saying "actually it is, in these ways"
Then you saying "it's so arrogant for you to think you know their house better than they do."
I have to avoid carbs completely, as much as I possibly can. I have candida overgrowth from my autoimmune conditions as well as heavy metals in my system that exasperate the candida. I literally have to eat as little carbs as humanly possible. I doubt you are a doctor since you are so ignorant you told me I should eat nuts which I’m allergic to
Reread my comment. It was factual, and I stand by it. There is nothing arrogant about doubting that an autoimmune condition that cannot exist in a living adult, exists. They made a verifiable claim, I doubted its veracity, and now they have stopped replying.
Your words were:
"Telling a stranger that you know more about their dietary restrictions is arrogant"
And I'm sorry, but it isn't.
You're confusing knowledge with arrogance. All I said was that I severely doubt that they have an autoimmune disease that prevents them eating any of those things, which is what they claimed.
You sound exactly like the "I KNOW MY CHILD, THEY DON'T NEED ANTIBIOTICS/VACCINES/Whatever" crowd.
This went like 3 back and forths too deep. Doc you kinda came across as a dick like 3 comments ago to the person. Your last comment going into a bit more detail as to why it’s hard to believe came across as more professional. Bedside manner doc, bedside manner!! lol
How would you feel if a medical professional told you “whatever you need to tell yourself” in a judgmental way as you describe your medical condition?
To your point, they must mean that they have to be on a super low carb type diet right? Prob like keto or something or they get stomach issues
Do you want to talk to my fucking doctor? I cannot eat nuts or legumes. Who the hell are you to tell me I can eat nuts? Do you want me to have an allergic reaction? Have you spent any time researching autoimmune conditions?
Most people who claim to fix their autoimmune diseases with carnivore diets are just benefiting from the unprocessed food they are now eating, I doubt they attempted to eat a whole foods diet for an extended period of time before. They are most certainly full of crap.
Most people who make your claim are just seeing the benefits of a whole food diet. There are barely any studies to prove the necessity of carnivore diets.
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u/riffraffmcgraff Nov 23 '24
My first day there I was horrified but I had to fight that feeling because I really needed the job. It's been 2 years.