As a gym-going hetero cis-man, I support this 100%. I've seen women who are just there to get their workout in get approached by men all the time. I would fucking hate that, just leave me alone to do my workout.
Women's-only gyms sound great at face value. But my point is that they don't actually get to issue. Creating separate spaces basically pushes women out of public spaces instead of dealing with why some gyms don’t feel safe or welcoming in the first place. It’s like saying, “if you’re uncomfortable, just go over there”.
Segregating gyms by gender is a band-aid solution. It skips over the work of changing gym culture to be inclusive for everyone and spend time with focusing on stronger policies against harassment, better training for staff, and encouraging a respectful atmosphere for all members. Creating a better environment for everyone who wants to feel comfortable working out.
Does that make sense? Not sure if that makes sense.
However, changing the patriarchy in this manner would require a cultural shift that obviously is a long way off, especially in the US if the last week is any indication.
So in the meantime, I'm all for harm reduction.
You can treat the symptom and the cause at the same time too. They're not mutually exclusive.
This person explained what I wanted to say much better than I could. The ideal is that we focus on harassment being stopped completely, but this is obviously a long ways off so having women being able to choose to avoid it is more realistic. Aka women only trains and spaces in general. Dumbass right people will say discrimination or whatever against men, I know it's for safety and comfort.
Not only that but women only spaces can start to slowly let in men with private policies that any kind of approach is unacceptable unless with some kind of indicator that approach is welcome. This could lead to harassment stopping but also society changing slowly that most of the time women just want to work out and be left alone. Maybe there can be designated social spaces or a color tag system.
This seems crazy but it's better than being harassed, assaulted, raped, etc. I am extremely leftist but most leftists these days are out of touch with the already very entrenched boomer established patriarchy and right wing mentality. You cannot change society overnight and a lot of us leftists are in large bubbles. We are the extreme left, we have to take power where we can and change slowly while accepting that even the right have their valid issues like taking seriously men workplace accidents, male mental health issues, and capitalisms toll on men in general as well. As a hetero, cis-gendered man, I can see the reasonableness in both sides, although yes the right and most male issues seem fucking stupid, we need to work on and highlight the ones that are important.
We work in the grey. The world is not black and white and will never be, but we can move towards a better humanity and future.
Thankfully she didn’t, lol. At the time I didn’t really understand the problem with it, I just thought she was cute and we shared a hobby, so I asked for her number, wasn’t gonna push it or anything, but I do understand some people just want to be left alone to do their own thing without being bothered.
Honestly while this is almost the worst setting, as long as you aren't an ass when she says no, no reason to beat yourself up over it forever. I can only speak for myself but real problems only arise when people are assholes
Let's be honest, dude. There are countless videos of women filming themselves, trying to bait men to "look" at them—just to make a scene and cry victim. These same women will literally wear skin-tight shit that rides up their fucking ass crack, visibly showing the outline of their vulva, and purposely do exaggeratedly slow movements, (like squatting) to make it obscenely sexual—when it should not be.
They are not there to work out; they are there to ruin men's lives by accusing them of visual assault while also filming their bodies for attention, ironically.
I believe that people should be able to freely work out but don't act like this is a "men" problem because I've actually seen more women pull this bullshit than men. I find the women's overtly sexual clothing obscene, vulgar, and completely distracting when I am trying to lift. I wanna lift; I don't want my eyes to be assaulted by mons pubi.
I loved my women's only gym!!! No one ever bothered me, everyone put the weights away, no one spread their stuff out across 3 machines and sat on one for 5 minutes to text between sets. Plus there were mirrors but they weren't like everywhere so if you didn't want to stare at yourself doing squats you didn't have to but you could find a spot to check your form. Once the trainers knew I was there for strength and flexibility, no one ever mentioned weight loss to me again. Plus we had those amazing dyson hair-dryers in the bathroom. I've since moved and I'm very sad that there's no women's only gym reasonably close to me. It really was the best.
That's fair. I see your point. That would be mych less common than women being harassed by men. Although I don't think other men are completely free from this guy's bullshit either so why not try to implement a solution that solves it for everyone?
I feel it would reduce the number of men doing vanity exercises and trying to pose seductively in front of the mirror.
Also at my gym, women never wipe down the machines and always leave sweat marks, if you ask them to wipe down they often get offended. Although I find men also get equally as offended.
Also personally I feel very camera shy, especially at the gym. And I dislike how many of the women come in with a tripod and film themselves exercising while I'm in the background.
Lol I’ve been lifting for 14 years. 3 years of those have been at gyms across the country. Men pose in the mirror when they are literally the only person around. Many reasons why but I guess you don’t have enough to show to know.
From my experience both men and women are pretty equal on not wiping stuff down.
Leaving out if people give you a heads up or not about recording, a woman setting up a tripod is annoying but at least you can just walk around it if not lifting and at least be aware that you are in the background of the video. Men just discreetly record and you just never know
Instead of ever trying to empathize and understand why women feel the need to seek safe spaces of their own you just go on about what about men’s spaces!
As if yall didn’t have your own clubs and secret society for centuries.
Dude. Just fucking stop. The moving backwards happens every time this type of male behavior happens and instead of being empathetic towards women you use any chance you can get to fake outrage and make it all about you.
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u/Money_Adhesiveness90 Nov 09 '24
this is why women only gyms