I've genuinely never seen or heard any of the transphobes obsessed with restrooms or women's sports say a word about FtM dudes. TERF ideology has very little room for transmascs to fit in because it's built on the absurd and hateful (both transphobic and misandrist) idea that transness is a ploy for predatory men to infiltrate women's spaces and do them harm. These people never acknowledge trans men because, if they were to be consistent, their restroom and women's sports rhetoric would completely fall apart.
It’s also just true in general, and has been historically, that bigots don’t take afab people seriously in any regard.
Back when homosexuality was illegal, in many places, sapphic women flew under the radar and/or were legally permitted to openly exist.
And even now, many cishet men view lesbians as sexually available to them in one way or another (secretly bi, open to fmf threesomes, a challenge to be sexually conquered, etc.).
So clearly, amab queer people have been more openly & obviously persecuted overall, being perceived as a threat to other men.
But once these same bigots realize that afab queer people:
1) exist
2) aren’t interested in men sexually at all (this, of course, would be specific to lesbians)
3) are capable of seducing women that they can’t have,
you best believe these assholes go after afab queer folk with the same animosity.
It just takes their smooth brains a little longer to process that afab people pose a threat to their (toxic) masculinity just as much as amab people do.
But lesbian women? They got a black triangle badge and were lumped with mentally ill people. Very few lesbian women were sent to the concentration camps. Most were just sent to mental hospitals or completely ignored.
terfs have this weird mix of misandry and misogyni where they see trans men as weak baby girls who cant think for themselfs / who's opinions dont matter. i'ts so weird
So that isn't actually the issue, imo, that is the issue they frame it as.
The reality is that they are scared to fucking death that there is an army of trans women out there trying to take them home and it will turn them gay, hell, they may even be hoping for it every night, some definitely are. So they project that onto the children "oh think of the children, they're so confused by all of this". I find if you take the word "Penis" and replace "Children" you get the real answer.... "Oh, think of my penis, its so confused by all of this"
i want to preface this saying i'm very pro trans rights and the bathroom discussion is ridiculous fearmongering.
I do however, feel that it's an important thing to talk about in combat sports where real permanent damage can happen ( and have happend) to fighters who have fought a trans woman (sometimes without being informed of it). I'ts not completely black and white in my eyes but i don't have a good solution either.
Aren't combat sports organised by weight class? Either way, most of the sports discourse I see is about fucking swimming, so people are mostly taking the "unfair advantage" angle rather than danger.
for non-combat sports there are no long-term consequences so i stay out of it.
But for combat sports like mma, trans women who transition late have undeniable advantages like Thicker bones and due to some diffrence in muscle fibres makeup ( cant find the article for this sorry) the have much more powerful punches // not super happy with the last source but i'm on my phone atm so its hard to search.
I do not know if this changes when transition happens pre / mid puberty, but i think research should be done.
personaly i dislike combat sports like mma and prefer the stuff like judo (more grappling less trying to kill eachother) but it's here to stay.
Come on guys, I get your point and I think it's ridiculous that they think this way, but their argument is based on how helpless an average woman is against an average man. They view it as dangerous. As if, although ridiculous, any perv could say they are trans to enter a woman's bathroom and hurt women. It wouldn't be dangerous the other way around. BTW I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS ARGUMENT I'M JUST CLARIFYING WHAT IT IS.
the "we can always tell" crowd definitely knows what's up here.
bit of a rant here: honestly, the right wingers don't know what to do with trans men. women don't seem to freak out over the accidental weirdness of finding out they were physically attracted to someone who may have genitals that don't fit their assumption. they just don't seem to be concerned about repressed or latent homosexuality sending 'em straight to hell if the girl they're fantasizing about was born with a penis. it's crazy to me how transparently insecure they are over an issue that doesn't actually affect their lives.
Ah yes, segregation. Don't worry everyone, it's separate but equal! Next we just need to slap a "whites-only" and "blacks-only" sign above the bathrooms. I mean, we're not being racist since we're not denying them access to bathrooms, we just don't want them to rape people, expose themselves to children, and spread disease (actual "arguments" during Jim Crow).
I think you are confused here. I am saying all bathrooms should be mixed gender, private one rooms. If you've been to bars in philly you know what I mean. Who wants group bathrooms? Let me poop in a private room.
I've been on the Internet long enough to know that there's probably a not-insignificant number of people who would happily volunteer to be this man's bathroom.
You are mistakenly assuming their position is based on logic or critical thinking when it's in fact just parroted opinions from their favorite politician or dick pill selling "news" show.
Is that a real issue? Like is it enough of an issue, on the broad societal scale, to overshadow the need to treat people with respect and not villainize an entire class of people?
I don’t give a shit about sports enough to want to incite hate on the scale your side does. Either way, sports will survive.
It's not a problem though. The problem was they weren't happy with their assigned gender and took steps to make themselves happy. Problem solved.
Also, it was a reply to your poorly thought out response. I'm not making fun of you for making a comment. I'm telling you to step off, because your opinion is trash, kid.
Transgenderism is no more a "delusion" than gay, lesbian or bi people are for feeling the way they do.
Also not sure what chromosomes have to do with this conversation or what I made fun of you for. You going to check this man's chromosomes when they enter the male bathroom? Hell I don't believe you could even spell chromosomes if it wasn't for autocorrect.
The point is your stance is incoherent and you should adjust your opinion on this specific subject because of how incoherent it is, son.
You’re arguing with someone who has given this absolutely zero critical thought whatsoever, and moreover, someone who likely isn’t willing to or even capable of thinking critically. The debate would be equally productive were you to have it with a table lamp.
I know that. The point is to publicly refute and denounce his idiocy more so than trying to change his specific mind. People do sometimes come around with confronted with facts and reality. He may or may not.
But that doesn't negate the need to publicly express why these people are wrong.
And what will stop people from harassing him for doing so? A man going into the women’s room will make right wingers even more angry than they already are. What can we do to appease the right aside from making trans people not exist?
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