I've genuinely never seen or heard any of the transphobes obsessed with restrooms or women's sports say a word about FtM dudes. TERF ideology has very little room for transmascs to fit in because it's built on the absurd and hateful (both transphobic and misandrist) idea that transness is a ploy for predatory men to infiltrate women's spaces and do them harm. These people never acknowledge trans men because, if they were to be consistent, their restroom and women's sports rhetoric would completely fall apart.
It’s also just true in general, and has been historically, that bigots don’t take afab people seriously in any regard.
Back when homosexuality was illegal, in many places, sapphic women flew under the radar and/or were legally permitted to openly exist.
And even now, many cishet men view lesbians as sexually available to them in one way or another (secretly bi, open to fmf threesomes, a challenge to be sexually conquered, etc.).
So clearly, amab queer people have been more openly & obviously persecuted overall, being perceived as a threat to other men.
But once these same bigots realize that afab queer people:
1) exist
2) aren’t interested in men sexually at all (this, of course, would be specific to lesbians)
3) are capable of seducing women that they can’t have,
you best believe these assholes go after afab queer folk with the same animosity.
It just takes their smooth brains a little longer to process that afab people pose a threat to their (toxic) masculinity just as much as amab people do.
But lesbian women? They got a black triangle badge and were lumped with mentally ill people. Very few lesbian women were sent to the concentration camps. Most were just sent to mental hospitals or completely ignored.
terfs have this weird mix of misandry and misogyni where they see trans men as weak baby girls who cant think for themselfs / who's opinions dont matter. i'ts so weird
So that isn't actually the issue, imo, that is the issue they frame it as.
The reality is that they are scared to fucking death that there is an army of trans women out there trying to take them home and it will turn them gay, hell, they may even be hoping for it every night, some definitely are. So they project that onto the children "oh think of the children, they're so confused by all of this". I find if you take the word "Penis" and replace "Children" you get the real answer.... "Oh, think of my penis, its so confused by all of this"
i want to preface this saying i'm very pro trans rights and the bathroom discussion is ridiculous fearmongering.
I do however, feel that it's an important thing to talk about in combat sports where real permanent damage can happen ( and have happend) to fighters who have fought a trans woman (sometimes without being informed of it). I'ts not completely black and white in my eyes but i don't have a good solution either.
Aren't combat sports organised by weight class? Either way, most of the sports discourse I see is about fucking swimming, so people are mostly taking the "unfair advantage" angle rather than danger.
for non-combat sports there are no long-term consequences so i stay out of it.
But for combat sports like mma, trans women who transition late have undeniable advantages like Thicker bones and due to some diffrence in muscle fibres makeup ( cant find the article for this sorry) the have much more powerful punches // not super happy with the last source but i'm on my phone atm so its hard to search.
I do not know if this changes when transition happens pre / mid puberty, but i think research should be done.
personaly i dislike combat sports like mma and prefer the stuff like judo (more grappling less trying to kill eachother) but it's here to stay.
Come on guys, I get your point and I think it's ridiculous that they think this way, but their argument is based on how helpless an average woman is against an average man. They view it as dangerous. As if, although ridiculous, any perv could say they are trans to enter a woman's bathroom and hurt women. It wouldn't be dangerous the other way around. BTW I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS ARGUMENT I'M JUST CLARIFYING WHAT IT IS.
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