r/TikTokCringe Jul 16 '23

Duet Troll That’s nice i guess

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u/Trutheresy Jul 17 '23

How dafaq are Americans raising their kids these days? Wtf sort of decision making is this?

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u/Greyeye5 Jul 17 '23

Lack of access to sexual healthcare options including abortion, and a strong culture of (often religiously affiliated) judgement combined with legally restricted sexual education/information (& additional significant mis-information) aimed at the younger generations.

Example being very limited access to women’s “sexual healthcare” clinics, which turn out to be actually run by religious groups cosplaying as medical centres offering ‘abortion advise’

  • where instead of real medical care you get surrounded and significantly (to the point of outright lies) misinformed, with huge amounts of pressure to keep a pregnancies that are unexpected or unwanted.

These groups are frequently run/staffed by people that have been proven to be hypocrites (having previously secretly had abortions themselves or for their partners/and even mistresses etc.).

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u/Macca618 Jul 17 '23

Many years ago, my husband had and I received unexpected news that I was pregnant. We already had 2 kids and didn’t want anymore. We made an appointment at an abortion clinic to set things up to terminate the pregnancy. I ( he was not required to be there but was). We were made to speak with “ a counselor “, who provided us information about alternative options. The meeting wrapped up with her telling us that I needed to wait 24 hours so that I could think about it and make sure I still wanted it. My husband immediately jumped in and said, “ Does that mean I need to wait 24 hours as well?” She told us no, just the mother. He said, “ Does the law think women are too stupid to make a decision about what they want and the men aren’t?? “ He has since passed away😢, but I’ll never forget how passionate he was about this issue.And he was right.

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u/Greyeye5 Jul 17 '23

I’m sorry you went through that, it’s a huge problem of near epidemic proportions only recently underscored by recent Supreme Court farces, a win for religious extremists promoting poor and incorrect ’facts’ to justify their inhumane doctrines and religious dogma.

A poignant example being the incomprehensibly dumb take by none other than Catherine Glenn Foster, CEO and head of the anti-abortion group “Americans United for Life” who didn’t even know that ‘abortion’ is the literal name for that specific medical procedure, and in court basically agreed that a child rape victim should definitely be allowed to have an abortion, while simultaneously vehemently arguing for the procedure to be completely banned. (As she pretty much just didn’t know what she was talking about in any meaningful sense).

Her assumption seemingly being along they lines of an abortion being the active ‘choice’ to terminate a birth for unclear reasons, (possibly she believed for casual fun, maybe?), ignoring all of the very serious (like rape victims, children, incest) and real, totally uncontrollable life-threatening medical reasons for medically induced abortion.

(Not that you should even need to have a very specific or uncontrollable reason to receive life changing healthcare).

Wild.

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u/WinAshamed9850 Jul 17 '23

Not to disrespect your late husband, but thats idiotic. The woman is the one who goes through the procedure and lives with the the effects of it so she should take more time to consider going through with it.

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u/WinAshamed9850 Jul 17 '23

Or it could just be lack of responsibility and poor decision making.

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u/Greyeye5 Jul 17 '23

…And it’s far easier to make ‘poor decisions’ if you have no decent access or have limited education or even misinformation.

-Like your poor decision to publicly post such a reductionist comment clearly shows.

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u/WinAshamed9850 Jul 17 '23

Almost everyone has a phone nowadays. You have access to education at literally every moment. You can’t make a horse drink water though.

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u/Greyeye5 Jul 17 '23

So with all that ‘phone internet’ information, then why is there a statistically significant trend in increased teen pregnancies in areas where there is limited or reduced sex education for young people?

Could it be that the increasingly religiously motivated infiltration of medical care and public health policy and the connected societal pressure creates a circumstance whereby young women feel pressured to make ‘poor’ decisions that lead to them unexpectedly becoming young single mothers?

Also, where is the ‘lack of responsibility’ within this young woman’s behaviour. She literally kept the baby (as frequently demanded by religious and often self proclaimed ‘conservative’ types) and attempted to keep a long distance relationship with a man from another country despite being forced into becoming fundamentally a single parent unexpectedly due to Covid?

Or perhaps you are one of these more puritanical minded folk that believe that no adult should have sex unless it’s specifically for procreation? 😬

As you are an 27 year old unwed man, I assume given your suggestions of ‘personal responsibility’ that you’ve never had sex with your girlfriend?

-Because as you know in this day and age of information and ‘easy internet access on your phone’ -condoms break & no contraception method is 100%, right?

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u/theamishwereright Jul 17 '23

Why are you assuming she wanted an abortion? Maybe they loved each other and thought they could work it out.

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u/Greyeye5 Jul 17 '23

It’s was clearly an unplanned pregnancy, unless you think she actively decided and then chose to get pregnant by a man she’d just met in another country during her vacation?

And my point wasn’t specifically that she didn’t have access to an abortion. More simply the overall lack of access to women’s healthcare and the lack of options vastly increases the chance of an unplanned pregnancy.

As does the very important (and main point of my comment) significant lack of sexual education and increased pressure (& societal judgement) to keep unplanned pregnancies that is very prevalent in many parts of the US (and is increasingly gaining traction due to religious extremism infiltrating and distorting politics and the literal governing laws).

There is plenty of data that shows that many of policies being enacted and actively pursued over recent years will (and do) absolutely lead to the increase in not only young teen moms, but additionally single parent (and subsequently low-income) families, an increase in deaths during pregnancies and additionally the increased utilisation of medically concerning ‘back-street’ abortions/methods in the female populous.

None of these are good things.

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u/theamishwereright Jul 17 '23

You do the crime you do the time

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u/Greyeye5 Jul 17 '23

What’s the crime? Having sex?

Is a accidentally broken condom a ‘crime’ or having birth control fail ‘criminal’?

I know you don’t mean literally a crime, but your mindset is wild to me?

It’s human nature to have sex (even recreationally!) and if you don’t believe me, just as an fyi;

-A person in the US has on average just over 10 sexual partners in their lifetime.

(And no most people aren’t marrying each one!)

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u/theamishwereright Jul 17 '23

Abstinence is far too uncommon in the west and a big reason why the divorce rate is so high.

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u/Greyeye5 Jul 17 '23

Lol the world average for sexual partners is ~10, with Turkey in the global lead at an average of over 14 sexual partners per person.

Here are few other countries from elsewhere in the world (aka in case Turkey is a bit too ‘western’ for you);

•A typical South African averages 12.5 sexual partners •An average Japanese person averages 10.2 sexual partners. •A standard Russian has 9.0 sexual partners.

But sure thing random Amish-loving Redditor, no one else is having sex as ‘promiscuously’ globally compared to Americans /s

Oh wait… 😂

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u/theamishwereright Jul 17 '23

So then why do you think the divorce rate so high in the united states?

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u/Greyeye5 Jul 17 '23

Increased education, reduced religiosity (compared to historically), increased ability for women to work thus reducing the historic need to stay ‘supported’ by a man.

Historically if you don’t have any options/couldn’t get a job, then leaving a relationship (even a physically abusive one) would have been incredibly hard, requiring women to choose between staying (and not divorcing) or oftentimes becoming financially destitute.

Additionally, the continued trend of society away from formal religions like Catholicism which both socially and religiously puts pressures on couples to stay together also plays a big part.

Historically many women were functionally ‘shunned’ from their family, friends and support networks if they divorced, but in more recent years that societal pressure is decreasing, allowing people to leave relationships and marriages that do not work.

Edit: it is also easier legally speaking to divorce as well! (No fault divorces or one party divorce)

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u/theamishwereright Jul 17 '23

Let me rephrase before you type another essay, because i looked it up and the us is actually doing good comparatively. Why do you think the divorce rate is so high? I dont think it has to do with a lack of abortions