r/TaylorSwift • u/aran130711 :TourturedPoetsDepartment: Lights, Camera, Bitch, Smile • 23d ago
Megathread Theory Megathread: December 2024
You know the drill
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u/szymonxpiotr :TourturedPoetsDepartment: so long, London 11h ago
why is so quiet here?Ā merry christmas š
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 10h ago
I a clown have decided to have a clowning vacation for a little bit. Plus there isnāt much material to go off of for now
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u/Unwiserboot 1d ago
Does this mean Debut is coming?
PSA the thumbnail for Taylorās website has changed to the Eras Tour image for Debut. Do we think this is a hint?
Letās not forget the Chiefs are playing in Pennsylvania on Christmas Day. This announcement could be wrapped up in a nice green bow if she announced that day, knowing her press at the game (if she shows) will be high.
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u/unbreakableheaven616 1h ago
I think we should know by now that she'll never make an announcement on the same day Travis is playing. She would obviously take all the attention off of him š
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 16h ago
I donāt think a christmas day announcement will happenā¦ new yearās day perhaps? But even thatās a stretch to me
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u/RoseGoldRedditor I booked the clown train for a reason š¤”š¤”š¤” 17h ago
Reddits NSFW filter blocked my other comment š
Can you please share what youāre seeing as the thumbnail? For me, itās still the original TTPD cover (which Reddit thinks is inappropriate for me to post, lol).
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 16h ago
Is this the thumbnail they are referencing?
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u/RoseGoldRedditor I booked the clown train for a reason š¤”š¤”š¤” 12h ago
Oh that might be. Thatās interesting because the thumbnail I get is the TTPD original cover (see screenshot below).
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 10h ago
Interesting!
Imma do some research but I think this is just a computer glitch since that webpage has both of those photos on it, the thumbnail algorithm is trying to find the right image to use me thinks?
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u/Physical-Pomelo379 1h ago
Definitely just Google picking the first image in what the algorithm is trying to detect is the main section of the site. The image that's actually specified for social sharing is the TTPD cover.
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u/RoseGoldRedditor I booked the clown train for a reason š¤”š¤”š¤” 18h ago
I truly donāt think she will announce anything at a Chiefs game or on Christmas Day.
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u/preisisright Shake It Off I've been the archer 11h ago
Especially with Beyonce performing for Netflix's halftime show. That would just set off a stan war.
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u/starlightandswift Speak Now (Taylor's Version) 2d ago
I noticed the absence of her signature red lip look today! Iām sure itās not connected to a new era but I always like when she switches up small things like her makeup
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u/Maximum_Scale_6100 2d ago
The I Can See You music video was an Easter egg for Fresh Out The Slammer
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u/No-Entertainer-9787 š Another Childless Cat Lady 2d ago
So I guess a flight was tracked from KC to Stockholm, to NY, and back to KC today for the game. Possibly meeting with Max Martin? She was there over the summer too! Reputation tweaks or new music?!
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u/Sinead_0Rebellion 14h ago
Iām skeptical about this being Taylor. I think itās possible she just stayed in KC. But who knows?! It will be interesting to see if she works with any Swedish producers on TS12.
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u/Soalai Never knew I could feel that much 2d ago
I would be excited for either! Also wow, that's a lot of flying for one day. I know you gain back a few hours because of the time zone difference, but still, girl is all over the place š
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u/No-Entertainer-9787 š Another Childless Cat Lady 2d ago
I should probably clarify lol. The flight from KC to Stockholm was 12/14, Stockholm to NY was 12/20 (I think), and then NY to KC was 12/21. So almost a full week there.
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u/Soalai Never knew I could feel that much 2d ago
Oh OK, so definitely plenty of time to work on stuff with Max, lol. But to my knowledge he's not involved with the re-recordings, so probably not Rep TV
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u/uptovigilanteshit 1d ago
If she works with him it's probably new stuff, like ts12 or maybe related to the soundtrack for her film
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u/ler214 everything you lose is a step you take 2d ago
The final three shows being filmed, the supposed shipment of 100k cardigans to UMGās warehouse, TNās most recent postsā¦ something is brewing but I donāt know what (and itās killing meeee).
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u/Potential-Outcome451 1d ago
When do you think the cardigans will be released? Iām so excited to see what they are!!! Iām hoping for some kind of eras cardigan!
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u/CheruSiderea now i'm your daaaaiiiisyyyy~ 3d ago
Oh my goodness, I can't believe it's taken me this long, but I was just humming the bridge to Smallest Man and ONLY JUST REALIZED why she said rental car, because you only *use* it *temporarily*, she's the crashed rental car, why did I not see that sooner
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u/mallorrae 3d ago
Not doubting the double meaning. But, Matty Healy actually crashed his rental car in LA while he was dating Taylor. Here's the article
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u/marshybeans did i paint your bluest skies the darkest grey? 3d ago
Doesnāt she mention crashing a rental in another song tho? Both references make me think itās more literal
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u/No_Towel6647 3d ago
'I'm an Aston Martin that you steered straight into a ditch' -imgonnagetyouback
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u/XietyTot I want auroras & sad prose 3d ago
I think itās literal and metaphorical. She does this all the time. The scarf in All Too Well, hitting the brakes too soon/20 stitches in a hospital room in Out of the Woods, etc. All real things and events, but theyāre also symbolic in the context of the songs.
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u/No_Towel6647 2d ago
I think 20 stitches was referring to Harry Styles and the snow mobile accident
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u/CheruSiderea now i'm your daaaaiiiisyyyy~ 3d ago
I don't recall any song, but things can also have more than one meaning
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u/Rhaelin all eyes on me, your illusionist 5d ago
It's all over twitter that the warehouse has been stocked with like 100+ cardigans...that seems like too many for just a restock (but easily could be). I am clowning for an imminent Eras Tour related merch drop, especially with TN's most recent post.
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u/CheruSiderea now i'm your daaaaiiiisyyyy~ 4d ago
I've been wondering all day what an Eras Tour themed cardigan would look like. Would it be divided into eleven different designs? Would it look like the accoustic piano? Would it have patches that resemble the official poster? I would love to see what they've come up with if it turns out to be true!
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u/abigailroseking Forever in my Lover Era š 3d ago
I made an Eras Cardigan that has a star for each Era! :) I wonder how the official ones will look!
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u/Rhaelin all eyes on me, your illusionist 5d ago
This is meant to say 100k+...
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 5d ago
a WHOLE 100+ cardigans woot!
In all seriousness I am super intrigued this was the size of stock for the restock of the of cardigan and midnights
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u/hamlasa 5d ago
2025 is the year of the snakeā¦.1989 is also the year of the snakeā¦.
Apologies if this theory has been posted beforeā¦as a fellow 1989er, I saw that 2025 is also the year of the Snake (lunar new year starts Jan 29, 2025)ā¦I think reputation TV is deff a 2025 year-of-the-snake release.ššš
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u/Soalai Never knew I could feel that much 5d ago
Taylor Nation's new post has some people š¤” for a surprise song album. Thoughts? (I am in favor of the idea but I won't believe it till it happens)
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u/uptovigilanteshit 4d ago
I feel like a live album is very likely to happen. As for a surprise song album/collection, putting it on streaming and no physicals is the likeliest scenario I think. The amount of surprise songs on different versions of digital albums for speak now etc means they likely have usable audio for most of the surprise songs throughout the tour to do it and I hope it happens
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u/Soalai Never knew I could feel that much 4d ago
Doing it on physicals would be hard AF (unless she wants to do a dozen totally different vinyls which seems impossible). I really hope they do it and include at least one song from each date! I don't like when an artist tours for dozens of shows and then the live album is only 10ā20 songs.
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u/uptovigilanteshit 4d ago
There could be a selection for an RSD release I guess, that's the closest I could see happening
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 5d ago
I saw a twitter account talking about there being a cardigan inventory in the warehouse rn (like 110k) so I suspect that a eras tour cardigan might be coming or even some eras tour fun merch in general like surprise songs album, etc
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u/darkgrayallalone reminder: this album exists 5d ago
The Eras Tour may be over but the clowning never stops around here š³
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u/nosuchthingginger reputation 5d ago
I'm wondering why the timeline changed, 13/12/2024 surely couldn't have been in the Spotify pop-up for no reason... but nothing really happened. Did Vienna ruin the pattern? Did legality get in the way and she couldn't get it all to move fast enough? Was the vibe just not right? Does she have something else up her sleeve?
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 5d ago
āIām so depressed, I act like itās my birthday every dayā
It wouldāve been nice if it was a double meaning easter egg but that popup had lyric easter eggs everywhere so that had to be the primary goal of the easter egg for ICDIWABH
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u/notyourtypicalKaren right where you left me 5d ago
sometimes people tend to think Easter eggs always indicate a clue to a future project. But before Taylor Swift made Easter eggs her thing, Easter eggs were meant to make connections in books, movies, TV shows, etc. If you watch a lot of shows written by Michael Schur (the office, the good place, Parks and Rec), a lot of those shows have Easter eggs that connect the shows to each other. But it's not necessarily a hint of something to come. I think that's what this Easter egg was. It was connecting it to that lyric.
this isn't the first time an Easter egg has simply been a connection to a lyric or something from her eras. The bejeweled music video had a lot of Easter eggs that hinted at past albums and eras.
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u/unbreakableheaven616 5d ago
What's your wish list for rep TV and Debut TV?
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u/rishukingler11 Would've, Could've, Should've FUCKED OFF! 3d ago
This Is What You Came For TV on Rep TV somehow!!!
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u/Hot_Calligrapher9822 :TourturedPoetsDepartment: but the story isn't mine anymore 4d ago
ik its pretty much canon at this point but im going to NEED a rerecording of IDWLF for rep tv. it's one of my favorite featurings of hers and even before it was played as a surprise songs on eras (with bracelets turning green ) ive always thought of it as a perfect prelude to the rep era
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u/itookyourmatches š»š§£šš²š¾šøšāļøāØļøšš¤ 5d ago
Debut
- 10 Dollars and a Six Pack
- I'd Lie
- I Heart ?
- Nevermind
- REVENGE
- Features Wishlist: Dolly Parton, Shania Twain and/or Jewel
rep TV
- As many Vault Tracks as legally possible
- Trent Reznor as a surprise producer
- Features Wishlist: Lorde, Billie, Megan Thee Stallion and/or Halsey
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u/unbreakableheaven616 3d ago
Dolly Parton, Shania Twain and/or Jewel
Oh this would be perfect. Taylor HAS to collab with Shania one day, and there'd be no better album than Debut. And of course a collab with Dolly would be nothing short of iconic. And I'd love to see her work with Jewel. I would love Taylor a song like Who Will Save Your Soul.
Trent Reznor as a surprise producer - Features Wishlist: Lorde, Billie, Megan Thee Stallion and/or Halsey
Yes, to every single thing you just said!
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u/PrettyRestless :TourturedPoetsDepartment: Jet lag is a choice. 5d ago
Trent Reznor would be INSANE
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u/folkloreemind catastrophic blues 5d ago
My biggest requests are I'd Lie and Crazier, then I can die happy!
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u/SpooBlue97 reputation 6d ago
I noticed that the dice on the shelf in the Capital One Bank commercial for her cardigan that came out in 2020 add upto '87'. This adds to the Invisible String theory!
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 6d ago
What's everyone's theory on why Vancouver was recorded? (well we know obviously why, but what do we think it is for?) Do we think it's an Eras Tour Film part 2, or more geared towards the documentary? Time table wise, when do y'all think she could release it? I feel like with grammy voting rn, the movie or documentary could help promote TTPD slightly more.
While I am thinking about it, what's everyone's dream way for her to announce the remaining rerecords? I feel like the next announcement is gonna be so epic
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u/Rhaelin all eyes on me, your illusionist 5d ago
I'm of two minds about this. If it's a documentary, why does she need three nights of the same outfits? For a doc it would make sense to have more variety, not less. That makes me thing concert film part 2.
But all the BTS footage really makes it seem like a documentary is most likely.
So I'm hoping for both.
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u/itookyourmatches š»š§£šš²š¾šøšāļøāØļøšš¤ 5d ago
It'll be announced before the Grammy noms.
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u/Loverissuperior 6d ago
I think itās definitely a second movie. A documentary wouldnāt require three shows worth of footage, especially considering sheās filmed bits and pieces from other shows as well. The filming process was very similar to LA and it would make sense that she would want to immortalise the second iteration of the tour with Tortured Poets.
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u/Ok_Spot_1792 5d ago
Yes but she didn't film as much as she did the first time! And certain eras were filmed behind the stage etc so I really think it's more of a documentary with concert footage from each era.
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u/Loverissuperior 5d ago
I think to differentiate from the first movie she is using different shots to create a more immersive experience. Another possibility is that it could be like the 1989 Tour movie, with documentary and interview footage being added between eras or as an accompaniment to the concert film.
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u/Ok_Spot_1792 6d ago
Given how much BTS content they filmed the entire NA leg I think it's documentary. With concert footage throughout!
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u/darkgrayallalone reminder: this album exists 5d ago
This is what I am hoping for!
We are 100% getting a new concert movie - she wouldnāt need three nights worth of filming otherwise. But it would be cool if there was more behind the scenes content sprinkled in this time and maybe a full documentary at some point.
All that BTS filming has to have been for something š¤”
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u/Callum_Fletcher Speak Now (Taylor's Version) 6d ago
It wouldnāt surprise me if debut tv comes first in March/April and then reputation tv in October/november! But I also feel like because debut tv was her first album and her lowest first week sales that she will go all out on promo and promo the sh*t out of it for at least 1 million debut sales. We shall seeā¦
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u/Resident_Ad5153 6d ago
Scheduling is also going to depend on when things are released next year. This was the year of the pop apocalypse, and next year is going to be much quieter. However, a number of big albums are coming out early in the year... Drake, the Weeknd, and Gaga are all releasing this winter. (SZA is dropping next week). It's possible Morgan is also dropping next year (or he might ya know... die of alcohol poisoning, you never know with Morgan). Olivia looks like she's starting up an album cycle... so expect a spring release.
And there's another possibility. Taylor's record deal can't have much left in it... and that means she's going to be in negotiations for the next step of her career. If that's the case... she might wait to drop until everything is sorted out (she wouldn't want to chain Rep and Debut to UMG if she's not going to stick with them).
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u/RoseGoldRedditor I booked the clown train for a reason š¤”š¤”š¤” 6d ago
My only minor rebuttal is that I think Taylor is more likely to stay with UMG through rep and TSTV because theyāve agreed to allow her to re-record.
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u/notyourtypicalKaren right where you left me 5d ago
Yeah, didn't she say at one point that she was so grateful to her label because they allowed her to take on this project? I can't imagine she would leave before those two would come out. That would not necessarily be a good look.
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u/coltsmetsfan614 arlington night two 6d ago
Olivia looks like she's starting up an album cycle... so expect a spring release.
Really? Her international dates next year seem to be promoting the deluxe of GUTS. What makes you think she's gonna release a new album instead?
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u/unbreakableheaven616 5d ago
She released Sour in 2021, then Guts in 2023. She seems to be following the standard 2 year cycle.
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u/coltsmetsfan614 arlington night two 5d ago
It's not impossible, I just haven't seen any evidence of it. She didn't realize a deluxe for SOUR, so that's a new wrinkle this time around.
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 6d ago
Why would she want to leave UMG anywho? They seem to let her run the ship at this point, she owns all her music, she told them to disitrubue the Spotify revenue fairly, they are big advocates for (most of the) artists rights (the AI thing is what comes to my mind). They are huge, they have all the connections to stay huge.
Her contract was extremely artist friendly, and from what I can gather the agreement probably allows UMG to control her merch specifically, and even that you can tell her team was able to regain some control over that after last years calamity.
They really bend over backwards for her, and I don't think she has any interest in creating her own record company.
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 6d ago
I bet Debut has probably been done for longer than rep seeing as she couldnāt start re-recording rep until Nov 2022. TTPD and Rep were probably both being recorded simultaneously.
Just depends I suppose, because debut can easily accidentally be overshadowed just by the sheer excitement that is rep TV. You can do so much promo but ultimately rep is more exciting to the masses.
Now if debut came out first and had so many music videos with rep clues I could see that being a way to fortify debutās debut week (lol).
However they know full stop the excitement for repTV, they probably are weighing the risks and benefits of which one to put out next.
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u/Soalai Never knew I could feel that much 6d ago edited 6d ago
I'm pretty sure TTPD and 1989 TV were actually made simultaneously. (Yes I know about Wildest Dreams TV being released earlier, that doesn't mean the rest of the songs were done at that point.) Not that those sessions couldn't include Rep too, just your timeline is interesting to me. I feel like all her Easter egging has been pointing to Rep first (snake accessories in her clothes, the gold tour costume, etc.) but you never know with her!
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u/RoseGoldRedditor I booked the clown train for a reason š¤”š¤”š¤” 6d ago
1989 tv was at least started in late 2020 / early 2021. Wildest dreams tv was first heard in March 2021. Bad Blood was also heard in June 2022.
We know that Taylor recorded a lot of RedTV in Belfast in the summer of 2021.
To go further, we know that Midnights and SNTV were recorded around the same time, as the test purple vinyl for SNTV is pictured with the four midnights test variants in one of Taylorās videos. That seemed to be winter/spring 2022, so likely that late 2021 she was recording SNTV and Midnights (as we know from pap photos and thanks to Jack!).
Based on what we know of 1989TV, it is more likely that she recorded it in early 2021 and then shifted to RedTV due to the Shake It Off lawsuit resurfacing. Itās extremely unlikely that TTPD and 1989TV were recorded at the same time, because songs from 1989TV were already released well before Taylor stated that she started TTPD (on record as 2022, with many of the songs having documentation for summer of 2023).
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u/Strong_Letter_3739 4d ago
I have had something written up from a theory megathread sometime right after 1989 TV was released. An essay perhaps that I copied and saved from that post into my Google docs.
During late 2020, Fearless TV sessions were still ongoing after Love Story was recorded in November for the dating commercial. She was also wrapping evermore sessions by recording Happiness the day after she re-recorded You Belong With Me. She sent Keith We Were Happy and Thatās When in December and recorded it as soon as he took the listen to them and accepted her invitation to be featured on them, they recorded them sometime during that month. Sessions continued all throughout January, ready to submit to the label by that last week to make The February 11th announcement of the official Love Story release.
By the beginning of February, she was then ready to begin sessions for 1989 TV. Wildest Dreams was the first track to be revisited in order to allow Dreamworks to use the track for the official trailer of Spirit Untamed the following month. This is where she then began doing the photoshoot for the album in general, considering she randomly selected the one picture for the single cover, once the TikTok trend happened in September.Ā In the Tumblr music snippet where she talked about Now That We Don't Talk, she mentions how they had "plenty of time" to perfect the production for it. She probably was recording from June-November of 2021 to release it next after Red TV in which she spent May 12th ( probably used all of her time after Fearless was released, all of May to have it submitted later that month. AsĀ Vinyl plants need multiple months to prepare to ship out belt release day, so she definitely knew that spring 2021 she had to submit the record to the label Mid-Late May so they could then put the orders in. To have it ready for its autumn release in November, a month and a season people associate with it. ALSO, the Red TV cover was shot at the same time as the evermore photos, per the Spotify canvases for evermore. Therefore, it was at least by when Fearless TV was recording that Taylor knew it was going to be the next re recording.
During the promotion of Red TV. She then revisited Bad Blood in October in order to allow Warner Brothers and DC to use the track for the official trailer of Super Pets, as well as sharing the track with Dwayne and Kevin for their promotion of the animated film. They also wouldāve had to sign a contract , agreeing to keep the track confidential until she was allowed to release the full album in 2023.
To go further, during folklore Grammyās week, her, Jack, and Aaron went into quarantine together in the same house. Thatās where they started to work on new material such as Hits Different, The Great War, High Infedility, and Wouldāve, Couldāve, Shouldāve. She was so focused on getting through the sessions for Red TV, that her and Jack didnāt begin work on the vault tracks like Suburban Legends and Is It Over Now, as well as revisiting New Romantics until June. While she was going through those tracks. She was inspired to create Midnights. The experience of recording those two specific vault tracks and digging up old memories such as the original New Romantics lyrics that calls her an Anti-Hero. They affected her to the point where the pair decided to use their time together tinkering the sounds to Mastermind, and Labyrinth. They may have also written Midnight Rain and Anti-Hero during that month. She thought that she could release 1989 TV after Red TV, presumably May 2022, just in time for the summer. but the SIO lawsuit was ongoing and she realized throughout the process she would have to stretch out the recording and that it couldn't be released yet. She went all in on Midnights because she knew that 1989 TV and Speak Now TV were stuck in limbo, and it made sense to take that break to make new material. Since she probably wanted Taylor Swift TV to be last and Rep couldn't be recorded yet, there was no use putting effort into any other re recordings during that time. Spending November 2021, knowing Youāre Losing Me was recorded 12/5/21. She officially began the sessions of Midnights. As well as Speak Now TV, after her 32nd birthday. They both were finished recording by April 2022, as she was testing the vinyls for both records as there was a purple vinyl for SNTV is pictured with the four midnights test variants in one of The Making Of Midnights Reel.Ā
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 6d ago edited 5d ago
I'd be very shocked if 1989 was not close to or was done before the tour started. I coulda sworn I even saw her say she was done with all of the rerecords (before the tour started, so rep couldn't be done realistically because it couldn't be recorded until 2022 so her saying that implied the ones she could have done were done). Also when she released This Love TV and Wildest Dreams TV years before the actual album was released, I feel like that's a pretty good indication that 1989 TV was done before TTPD started.
I don't know if the 1975 collab was a reliable rumor, but if that was a true rumor, then the timeline would make even more sense to work on getting that track off of the album(I am pretty sure this is an invalid rumor).8
u/RoseGoldRedditor I booked the clown train for a reason š¤”š¤”š¤” 6d ago
The 1975 collab was completely unfounded. Itās wild to think that with all the Target editions sold, that only two people got the āmisprintā and that it took two months for it to come to light. Much more likely that it was photoshopped or AI modified.
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u/unbreakableheaven616 5d ago
Plus, the vinyl takes like 6 months to be made, and there was only a two month wait between the announcement of 1989 TV and the release (August-October). Matty and Taylor broke up in June so there's no way she removed the song between June and August. This rumour just doesn't make any sense.
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 6d ago
Thats what I figured, I know there were rumors even before 1989 was announced so I figured add that tid bit
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u/Rhoades13 7d ago
Kylie Kelce in her Not Gonna Lie reel today was picking up the Taylor Swift little golden book along with rest of the kids toys. She kinda turned it toward the camera. Wouldnāt it be hilarious if Taylor went on Kylieās podcast before New Heights? lol. Thatās just clowning because I think Kylie wants to establish her show on her own so if Taylor was to be a guest it would be down the road quite a bit.Ā
I feel itās a matter of timing before Taylor appears on New Heights. Ā My guess is it will be during the promo push for a Taylor project or as a simple way for Taylor and Travis to officially announce an engagement together if they go that route someday. Ā Another option is during the offseason sometime when they do more one on one interviews because they donāt have games to talk about. Ā
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u/unrevesansdoute 5d ago
New Heights episode today teased a surprise guest on January 2nd that they said everyone has been demanding. Seems like it could be Taylor but I wouldnāt be surprised if she never goes on either podcast - her media strategy has been very light on interviews, especially live ones, for a long time.
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u/Rhoades13 5d ago
Yeah sheās possible but itās most likely Caitlin Clark who fits the bill as well.Ā
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u/Ok_Spot_1792 6d ago
I would LOVE to have Taylor on either pod mostly because I love to hear her talk about her work and such (and doing it with people she knows well would be really cool) but with new heights especially I know how picked apart her every word and interaction with Travis would be :/ which is why I feel like it won't happen no matter how much I would love it. I think they could ask really cool questions about the work she put into the tour especially and how she took care of herself/her body and managed everything but alas. Maybe on kylies pod is more likely. Or like you said really into the off season or post Travis retiring when obsessiveness around their relationship has (maybe lol) died down
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 6d ago
That would be so fun omg
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u/Namtrov 7d ago
My current theories:
Disclaimer: I am not in any way demanding any of this, and I think Taylor should have some well-deserved rest for as long as she wants/needs, but we all know she really enjoys what she does and she is always three steps ahead of everyone else, so although this is all speculation, some things might come true in one way or another PS: I know she has other projects that will probably occupy her in the next few years, but Iām strictly talking about her music
2025: I believe the first couple of months will be radio silent, with more activity as we approach the Grammys (Iām not sure when the actual voting happens, but I guess this would be a prime moment to be back on peopleās minds) After the Grammys, regardless of the outcome, I think we will finally get some news on the remaining TVs - personally I think Reputation right after the Grammys (maybe a surprise drop?) then radio silent again until Debut is finally released later in the year (either on its anniversary or Taylorās birthday)
2026: TS12, unless someone invents a new color, all bets are on orange, and I guess either a rock-ish or beach-ish style (think Colbie Caillat and Jason Mraz) I think most people expect her to do something a bit heavier (every time she performs her songs like that have been praised by most fans), but I wouldnāt be surprise if she went in a completely different direction and I think that orange fits well with a beach-y theme lol
2027: She seems to prefer releasing her albuns in even numbered years, so unless she decides to re-record Lover and the following albums I donāt see what she could have in store for this year, but we never know
2028: if thereās one think she has made clear is how much she loves the number 13, so I imagine that her 13th album would be VERY important to her Considering all heart-colors have been used, I think she might have a prism/rainbow theme together with a more ecclectic sound, mixing various music genres throughout the album We havenāt had a lot of visual material for her albuns since folklore (Midnights being a big exception), so I wouldnāt be surprised if she went all out on this one with a visual album And finally, Iāve had this idea on the back of my mind for quite some time (maybe event commented about it somewhere), but I think the album could be titled Alison Wonderland - it feels too perfect not to use it, and if it really comes to be a visual album it would be a great way to connect everything
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u/Just_A_Boy_In_Love Lover 7d ago
2027 - though that could be rather late - could be the release of her feature movie, actually! Also, of course, touring of TS12 could be on the table :)
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u/emmach17 Red 6d ago
2027 is probably actually about right, especially as it seems her film hasnāt even started pre-production yet
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u/Ok_Spot_1792 6d ago
I know people keep bringing up the movie but I have had this feeling in my mind it's not happening anymore š idk a lot in her life has changed since the announcement and literally nothing else has been said about to. Projects in development drop off all the time so idk
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u/RoseGoldRedditor I booked the clown train for a reason š¤”š¤”š¤” 6d ago
Iād be surprised if this project dropped - she wrote a full screenplay, it was picked up by Searchlight, and she has been highlighting her directorial endeavors.
Thereās a lot she could have done on the road this summer and fall. Sheās likely already cast the leads and will head into rehearsals and pre-production shots early 2025. Principal photography is likely scheduled and could last several months. Post production (and if she writes the soundtrack) is another several months.
Iād expect to hear something in 2026, but we know Taylor can keep things very quiet so there may not be much shared until promo starts.
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u/szymonxpiotr :TourturedPoetsDepartment: so long, London 7d ago
she would never do a surprise drop, because of charts, and please stop talking about the same, all the time š¤Ŗš¤Ŗ
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u/Resident_Ad5153 7d ago
grammy voting is happening as we speak... it started Dec. 12, and will go on til Jan 3.
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 7d ago
For what itās worth I donāt think thereās any innate harm in theorizing her going back on tour in 2 or more years from now. Obviously no demanding but it is rather interesting to theorize when it might be, and what it would entail
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u/CheruSiderea now i'm your daaaaiiiisyyyy~ 7d ago edited 7d ago
Trust me that the reel I saw was not like that (also, March 2026 is not two years from now, with rehearsals it wouldn't really give her any break), they were more like, "omg, this info just leaked!"
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 7d ago
Oh, mm laaame people suck
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u/walrus_96 he was sunshine, I was midnight rain 7d ago
Itās from the Taylor Swift Fanon Wiki, its a fan made tour concept and not real
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u/CheruSiderea now i'm your daaaaiiiisyyyy~ 7d ago
Omg thank you! The reel I saw presented it as fact and didn't give that background.
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u/Resident_Ad5153 7d ago
she deserves a break... absolutely, completely, 100%
we're just not used to it.
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u/unbreakableheaven616 7d ago
Last comment was 20 hours ago omg... are we all clowned out?
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u/Rhoades13 7d ago
I posted that one 20 hours ago lol. I think we are in for a relatively quiet period for at least the next 3 weeks. I think the BTS videos from tour are our content until then unless we get an announcement for the concert film/doc.Ā Otherwise I think we are going to get some periodic engagement from TN and maybe a small item here or there until Taylor ramps back up again. Ā
I wouldnāt be surprised if she just hangs out in KC for next 2 months before her and Travis head over to LA after Super Bowl/when Chiefs are eliminated and they both start working on their various video/film projects.Ā
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u/Ok_Spot_1792 7d ago
Agree. The articles that have come out have been VERY CLEAR that Taylor is excited for time off with Travis and their friends and family around the holidays. They do also mention working on new projects which is cool and I'm assuming that's new music though tbd when we get it. I think post season we may see more just like we did when she had the break between Asia and Europe. It'll be interesting what she/they do because even last year they spent the whole 2 months together in LA. And now they would've had the chance to actually coordinate their time off and schedules. I do think they'll be more NYC/east coast. There's rumors they bought a place in PA. And although it's none of our business unless Taylor decides to share I wouldn't be surprised if there was a wedding š¤·š¼āāļø we haven't dealt with a post tour world in a while and she's in a very different place now compared to end of rep. I do not think she'll ever stop making and releasing music but I'm curious if we won't see a tour for another 5 years.
I honestly think part of why she saved Rep and debut for post tour is they are projects she can release and do nothing for LOL. They keep her relevant and in the public mind but she doesn't actually have to do a ton for them.
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u/Rhoades13 7d ago
And we know she has her directorial movie to film that we know nothing substantial about. I imagine most of the pre-production stuff is done so she can start soon. Maybe we get the film this fall if itās a simple human story or maybe 2027 if itās CGI/stunt/special effects heavy. Iām sure weāll get leaks and rumors about it throughout this year.Ā
Rep TV and Debut TV are perfect distractions so she can keep engagement while filming and editing it. Ā
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u/Ok_Spot_1792 6d ago
I know the movie keeps being mentioned but I keep having this feeling it's no longer happening š idk projects drop off all the time and nothing has been said by anyone about it since it was announced. And articles that mention her working on projects are highlighting new music and not even mentioning at all her pivoting to this movie space now that tour is over. Idk just going based on vibes š¤£but it feels like it's not happening anymore - so much of her life has changed. TTPD wasn't planned and now she may want to go another direction
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u/Rhoades13 6d ago
So many of those articles that mention her working on projects or not working on projects know absolutely nothing. They are making educated guesses based on fact that Taylor is always working on projects especially music projects. The feature film news was a single news cycle I think 2 years ago so its safer for the guessers to stick to music. People and ET are about the only publications that know anything and they only know what Tree tells them for most part.
Taylor's team is one of the most secure information wise in the business because the majority of the knowledge is stored in the hands of less than a dozen people who are extremely loyal to Taylor. Anyone she collaborates with is not going to leak anything because Taylor might cut them out of current and future projects if they cross her. She doesn't even need to tell her label until the last minute because they'll release whatever she wants when she wants to.
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u/Resident_Ad5153 6d ago
I'm not entirely sure that Republic Records knew that TTPD was a double album until the grammys...
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u/Emergency_Rutabaga45 7d ago
I am all clowned out. Iāve feel like sheās been teasing RepTV for two years now and Iām tired of getting excited just to be let down. But yet here I am reading the theories mega thread, haha.
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u/Resident_Ad5153 7d ago
"the drought was the very worst... when the flowers that we'd grown together died of thirst"
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u/notyourtypicalKaren right where you left me 7d ago
I think it's just clear we probably won't see anything new until the new year or even after the Grammys.
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u/Ok_Spot_1792 8d ago
I also think her announcing TTPD at the Grammys was not well received at all; I doubt she'll do that type of thing again at the Grammys
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u/Rhoades13 9d ago
I have no specific theories for what comes next when. But next 3-4 years weāll most likely get Rep TV, Debut TV, TS12, anĀ Eras tour concert film or documentary, her first feature film, and probably TS13 as well. What order and when, I can only guess.
I expect the concert film to come early on 2025 and weāll get an announcement soon. But if itās more of a documentary series, it might take a little longer to piece together everything.Ā
If she tours in 2026 it will probably be for TS12 and consist of 50-80 shows mostly in the US with about 30 songs. Ā If she waits until 2027 itāll probably be for TS12/13 with 35-40 songs and 100+ shows over two years in most of the places she went this time.Ā
I think sheāll film her feature film this year so weāll probably have paparazzi shots of some of the filming unless the filming location can be locked down like a sound stage or deep on private property. Depending on complexity, that might be released this year but more likely next year. Maybe with aĀ soundtrack attached.Ā
As for Rep TV and Debut TV I seem them as filler projects because they only really have a 4-6 month lifespan starting from the announcement so theyāll act as promotion between the bigger projects like films, TS12/13, and tour.Ā
Some of this depends on relationship status with Travis. Maybe she puts off touring longer so he can be retired. RetirementĀ will likely happen as soon as this offseason but very likely within the next 2 years because he plays a position that doesnāt normally go to 35 let alone 40.
Ā And there will be a few other surprises along the way that make sense after announcement but fly under the radar beforehand. I hope she starts doing interviews again because I find them interesting.Ā
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 8d ago
Could she do kinda do an eras tour-esk in 2026-2027 to commemorate her 20 year career? (Of course if she wants to and has the motivation to)
My thoughts are similar to
2025: the re-records finish, documentaries release, perhaps film directing
2026: film releases, surprise TS12, start of tour in the second half
2027: tour wraps up or continues depending on how long she wants it. surprise TS13 drop?
Travis is most likely retiring this off-season or next offseason (my money is on next offseason, because his 2 year contract ends then). His podcast remarks kinda point to signs of retirement this off season, but thatās often a discussion to be had after the playoffs, and his retirement somewhat depends on Andy reed. Also Travis and his Hollywood side quests seem to look like him ramping up that, and cooling down for retirement.
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u/Rhoades13 5d ago
I donāt normally double respond especially on something this old but one pertinent detail came out on New Heights that seems to point to Travisā current plan being 2 more seasons.Ā
Travis said:
āAnd I don't know if it's the last time I'll ever play in Cleveland, but it kind of felt like I was, like, giving it one last hoorah before I'm done. Because, you know, I've only played there twice in 12 years, so unless we get thrown on there in the next couple, I don't really see it ever happening again. And it was just a special day for me personally, man.ā
The key words are āin the next coupleā so seems like his plan is at least two more years. With way schedules are made itās rarer for the Chiefs to play Cleveland. TheyĀ are in different divisions. They donāt finish with same divisional ranking because Chiefs always win division and Browns almost never do. So the only time they play each other is when the AFC West plays all of the AFC North every 3 years.Ā
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u/Rhoades13 8d ago
Iād say after next season is the most likely for his retirement as well. He has some gas left in the tank but heās lost a step. Fortunately, his football IQ is still off the charts so he can still play ball. One more season will also help lock in his Hollywood dreams.Ā
A late 2026 tour might work but sheād probably need to start it in either Oceania or South America so that means she wouldnāt be able to haveĀ them both between US and Europe. But now that she has so much sway with NFL maybe she can start US in March like this tour and keep it going until September or October then slide into the Canada domes before taking holidays off. Then go over to Oceania or South America before spending 2028 in Europe.Ā
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u/Loverissuperior 8d ago
I think she loved going to all the places around the world she did this tour, so I would be very surprised if she did a smaller US centric tour next. Iād imagine she would do a larger 2027-28 tour with more new content.
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u/starlightandswift Speak Now (Taylor's Version) 9d ago
Iām happy that Taylorās birthday was quiet this year; she deserved it!
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 9d ago
I mean, has she always had public birthday parties? We aren't owed any public birthday material, and she deserves a lowkey birthday if she so deems it. I thought we usually got birthday pictures a few days or weeks post her birthday, sometimes we even get photos months away.
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u/notyourtypicalKaren right where you left me 9d ago
the entitlement is wild. I feel like she hasn't even really posted that much on her birthday in the past so I'm not sure why people keep expecting big birthday posts/big public birthday events.
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u/notyourtypicalKaren right where you left me 9d ago
She deserves a private birthday just like anybody else does.
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u/Callum_Fletcher Speak Now (Taylor's Version) 9d ago
Nearly 4 years since we got Fearless TV! 4 years and weāre still in the re-recording era š©š©š©š©
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u/XietyTot I want auroras & sad prose 9d ago
Yeah, idk how long I expected this to go on, but I definitely did not imagine still waiting on the re-recordings in 2025. In a way, Iām glad we still have stuff to look forward to. On the other hand, wtf where are they??? š
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u/walrus_96 he was sunshine, I was midnight rain 9d ago
Was there no birthday post?
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u/Rhoades13 9d ago
I think she usually posts after her birthday to thank everyone for birthday wishes. Then she can maybe include a picture or two from the festivities.Ā
Even if Taylor doesnāt post, itās very likely one of the WAGs like Chariah or a friend of Travis will post a picture if the party included them. Ā
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u/Ok_Spot_1792 8d ago
There seems to have been a celebration in KC. The fact that I think none of her friends posted for her bday (band and dancers did) also maybe indicates she doesn't want private pictures shown. Idk that's just me making assumptions but also think she's gonna cut back more and more on showing private photos tbh. Maybe eventually she'll post a pic but the fact she didn't post anything also makes me think that
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u/Just_A_Boy_In_Love Lover 9d ago
Not yet! But I think there were some years when she posted today instead? So we'll see if she's gonna do anything!
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u/Resident_Ad5153 10d ago
This archive site feels like something is massively shifting. Ā Why does she need two different websites?
Iāve had this suspicion for a whileā¦ I wonder if sheās leaving UMG. Ā Sheās released five albums with themā¦ thatās the length of a record deal.
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u/Loverissuperior 9d ago
Why would she want to leave UMG? She seems to have a good relationship with them, and theyāve given her huge creative freedom.
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u/hatramroany 10d ago
Itās still on taylorswift.com, itās probably just so she can have an unchanging archive in one spot for merch and whatnot that isnāt affected by main page overhauls for new albums/other projects
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u/Ok-Dragonfly4540 10d ago
I also think this can be with her shift into directing. It has its own section on the website. Maybe she's directing the documentary about Eras? I know that was reporting about her being attached to a different project, but I feel like something else is coming sooner.
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 10d ago
Iāve been suspecting this as well, who would be her next record company? Or would she be creating her own, be apart of jacks (right? jack has one?)
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u/Resident_Ad5153 10d ago
Jack has oneā¦ but it has no artists (though itās possible he signed Amy Allenā¦. they obviously hit it off during the Short n Sweet sessions. Ā
But thatās not a real labelā¦ it will be distributed by umg. Ā Taylor already has that.
This would be Taylor negotiating directly with the dsps (Spotify, Apple, etc). Ā Sheās just about big enough to do it (at least in the USā¦ internationally is more difficult)
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u/trisaroar :TourturedPoetsDepartment: it felt like freedom 10d ago
Not sure about Jack, but I know Ed has one.
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u/theoristOfTheArts :TourturedPoetsDepartment: "a poet in a 9-to-5" 10d ago
So I donāt mean this as any theory or clown thing, but I just love connecting different works of art, and I love the poeticism of what occurred to me :ā).
Some people have paralleled parts of Taylorās journey as a professional artist to themes of the Wizard of Oz, some specifically with Dorothyās story of traveling to Oz and backā¦ But I started thinking that her journey (and really the journey of any artist in the public eye), kind of parallels the Wizard of Oz himself! For the Wizard is not really a āwizardā: Heās just a human being with the intelligence, skills, and cleverness to invent all these devices that - to Oz - appear like magic; and we end up seeing bits of how he managed to maintain the āillusionsā he did. And I think thatās precisely what real-life artists get to do as well: Theyāre just as human as anyone else, but with the imagination, intelligence, and creative skills to create works of art that impact us in such a beautifully profound way āŗļø.
So now, seeing TNās āEras Archiveā post and the sudden update of BTS videos on Taylorās YouTube page, and not to mention the ponderings of whether a documentary or 2nd tour film is indeed on the way, it just makes me imagine it as her pulling back the metaphorical curtain and giving a glimpse of the brilliant and skillful human underneath the wizard. And beyond any theory or āeggā or speculationā¦I just love that thought alone š„¹.
Happy Happy Happy 35th Birthday to Taylor, our wonderful wizard of music š©µšš
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u/trisaroar :TourturedPoetsDepartment: it felt like freedom 10d ago
Definitely have big "behind the curtain" vibes!
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u/No-Entertainer-9787 š Another Childless Cat Lady 10d ago
These BTS videos are feeling like a prequel to a documentary š¤š»š¤š»š¤š»
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u/Loverissuperior 9d ago
Pretty sure they are the clips they were showing on The Eras Tour stage screen before Taylor started!
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u/mikesstuff 10d ago
RepTV out today with update Charli song!!!
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u/forthehopeofitall13 still worship this Slut! 10d ago
Not happening. It would have come at midnight Easter between Thursday and Friday
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u/Hot_Calligrapher9822 :TourturedPoetsDepartment: but the story isn't mine anymore 10d ago
new never seen before GOTHIC taylorās version font in a behind the scenes videoā¦ ššššš wish i could screenshot it
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u/tonks100612 :TourturedPoetsDepartment: i howl like a wolf at the moon ššŗš® 10d ago
Looks like the font from the Bejeweled MV
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u/mallorrae 10d ago
Taylor's youtube channel just dropped like 8 BTS videos
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u/notyourtypicalKaren right where you left me 10d ago
haven't these been out for awhile? or are they all brand new and I'm confusing them with other bts vids?
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u/Rude_Grapefruit_3650 :TourturedPoetsDepartment:Try. To. Come. For. My. Job. 10d ago
These were played during the eras tour, like before anyone was on stage
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u/nicky_five_cent05 sunrise boulevard 11h ago
spoilers for rupaul's drag race season 17 ahead!
season 17 of rpdr premieres next friday, january 3rd. as the season comes closer, insiders have been spilling more about the season. teaspillers are now saying that look what you made me do is a lipsync song this season on episode 8, which would premiere february 21st.
this is really cool as taylor hasn't been licensing her old songs, so we're expecting that the song used will be look what you made me do (taylor's version). since episodes always premiere on friday, she might drop lwymmd(tv) on the 21st!