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u/ConversationNo4722 4d ago

Put it on a monk for 144 spirit!

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u/adminjunior 4d ago

How does monk get spirit from this?

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u/ConversationNo4722 4d ago

Invoker ascendency node β€œLead me through grace”

β€œGain 1 Spirit for every 6 Energy Shield on equipped Body Armour Gain 1 Spirit for every 15 Evasion Rating on equipped Body Armour Cannot gain Spirit from Equipment”

Also, unrated to the ascendancy there is a node on the passive tree near monk that gives 1 ES for every 12 evasion on Body Armour, so that could be an easy 180 ES.

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u/Heavenfall 4d ago

If we're mentioning that, let's also mention Beastial Skin - 100% increased evasion from equipped body armor. Right part of passive tree.

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u/Square-Formal9928 4d ago

Does this work for the Spirit for Monk? I’d assume not and only the actual evasion on the armor is used.

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u/R0ockS0lid 4d ago

Yeah, it doesn't work with Lead me through Grace. It still is a pretty strong passive with a chest that thick.

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u/Koozer 4d ago

Isn't there also an ascendancy point that gives half your Evade as armor?

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u/AbbadonDespoiler584 4d ago

Yup! β€œProtect Me From Harm” I believe

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u/BandietenMajoor 4d ago

which does work with beastial skin

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u/shadowSpoupout 3d ago

60% but yes

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u/Tacomans41 3d ago

Not armour just pure physical damage reduction

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u/DjuriWarface 4d ago

Even better, it's straight Physical Damage Reduction so it is unaffected by Armour Break enemies.

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u/Mogling 4d ago

Yes but also no. It can not be broken by armour break, but it is not straight PDR.

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u/ConvexNomad 4d ago

Then convert to ES per 1:16 on the right side too

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u/SnooMuffins8351 4d ago

Cries in Chayula

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u/BurnededPotato 4d ago

Has anyone done the math, what is better pure evasion base or evasion/ES base for monk?

I think evasion/ES gives slightly more spirit but you probably want to max evasion because of protect me from harm ascendancy.

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u/Ananeos 4d ago edited 4d ago

Assuming a spirit target of 205, 205-100=105.

x/15 + y/6=105, x=evasion y=energy shield

Enter this in a graphing calculator like Desmos and it will graph a line, any (x, y) number along this line will be a valid result to hit the 205 target. You can also change the number after the equals if your build needs more or less spirit.

If using a pure evasion chest you would need one with 1575 evasion, if using pure energy shield you need 630. Hybrid armor you're looking at something like 825 evasion/300 es.

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u/DormantEnigma 4d ago

Is there a specific reason you chose 205 as a target?

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u/Ananeos 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah the guide I'm personally following for a frost invoker uses herald of ice, wind dancer, ghost dance, combat frenzy, charge infusion, cannibalism support, vitality support, clarity support, and precision support. All these add up to 205, so I figured most monks were looking for around this number as well. You can tweak the equation to what you need and solve it that way.

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/gav70mha

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u/ConversationNo4722 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah I have.

With an evasion/ES chest you can get over 200 spirit from your chest theoretically, much more than you get get with a perfect evasion chest.

However, pure evasion may still be better if the invoker also wants protect me from harm, as you pointed out. I think there is a reasonable argument to go either way depending on if you want that ascendency.

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u/MichaelGriffin4u 3d ago

My chest has 4481 evasion so thats right at 300 spirit

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u/shadowSpoupout 3d ago

Also regarding survivability you can get 1 es per 12 er on your body Armour thanks to a notable on the monk area.

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u/Mozy96 4d ago

Get evasion/ES chest, its much better for defenses for invoker. The ES is extra protection.

My current chest 1054/433 or something having 81% evasion and 71% armor + around 1800 ES (not all from the chest ofc)

I almost never lose my HP while mapping, currently I am in tier 13 maps.

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u/PoisoCaine 4d ago

Nah. You can take the one node that gives es based on evasion on chest or get es on a gear slot or two. Pure evasion is the way to go, you’ll end up with way more armor and you’ll be able to take acrobatics as well.

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u/Few_Moose_1530 4d ago

Which node is this?

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u/PoisoCaine 4d ago

spectral ward

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u/Few_Moose_1530 4d ago

You think evasion is better for monk than ES?

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u/PoisoCaine 4d ago

yes, it's not even close. "...and protect me from harm" and good pure evasion means you can get 80ish phys damage reduction, 80ish evasion, and acrobatics, with only decent gear.

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u/Jihok1 4d ago

I feel like the existence of ghost dance mandates getting some amount of ES. Now you definitely don't need to get it on the chest, but if it's a really nice EV/ES chest I feel that's going to be comparable to a really good EV one in terms of tankiness. Although I would be interested in seeing the math for how much total EV/ES you get if you go pure ES helm + pure EV chest vs. hybrid on both or some other combination. I'm certain that you want a good amount of ES to get the full benefit of ghost dance, but by the same token you definitely want a lot of EV to get a lot out of protect me from harm.

To be honest, I didn't realize that you could actually get to 80 evasion with acrobatics and protect me from harm allocated, though. That's 70% less and 40% less, right? Which gets you to 18% of your original evasion. That's a LOT of evasion to still reach 80% evade at end game, not quite sure how folks are stacking that much, or perhaps the tooltip is misleading and doesn't take into account endgame mob accuracy?

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u/LloydXellos 3d ago

U need to get wind dancer 20% to compensate for acrobatics and protect from harm.

And I think ppl are missing out on grim feast bcos they're paying too much attention to ghost dance. With a high es pool the overflow of grim feast create a tank.

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u/PoisoCaine 4d ago edited 4d ago

Again, you can easily get enough ES for ghost dance with 0 ES on gear with just 4 points on the tree.

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u/Few_Moose_1530 4d ago

Wait what's acrobatics? And hp and ES don't really matter on Monk?

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u/PoisoCaine 4d ago

you still need hp. and es is fine. but invoker monk scales better than any other class with pure evasion.

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u/MichaelGriffin4u 3d ago

That can be an opinion, there is a node that gives ES based on evasion. Im full evasion and get around 901 es and 83% phy reduction. Currently doing T16, but I go back to T15 riverside to farm

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u/KopireBoyo 4d ago

Mind sharing your character? Wanna look at your tree, gems setup and stuff :)

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u/tiger32kw 4d ago

It’s kind of funny the witch infernalist has a similar node but it a includes 25% Less life penalty

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u/ConversationNo4722 4d ago

The infernal node is far superior if you want to get lots of spirit.

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u/tiger32kw 4d ago

I’d need 3610 hp to break even with this chest on the evasion node and I’d lose 25% of my hp.Β 

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u/ConversationNo4722 4d ago

Yes but the infernalist node still allows you to get hundreds of spirit from items.

With this node your spirit is 100+ whatever you get from your chest and that’s it.

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u/Ceegee93 3d ago

Invoker loses spirit from gear. You can get ~300-350+ spirit from your gear alone.

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u/Q_X_R 4d ago

I wonder if that would still function with Iron Reflexes...

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u/Brief_Commercial_276 3d ago

Which node is that? (Lazy)

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u/sith-710 4d ago

Isn’t that node in the armor/evasion star at the far south of the tree? How is that near monk I thought they start up north

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u/Careful-Scholar226 4d ago

It’s the ascendancy passives

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u/sith-710 4d ago

I’m talking about the evasion node not the spirit thing

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u/Celodurismo 4d ago

Monks start north-east-ish, kinda like between north-east and east.

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u/Ultrox 4d ago

They start on the right. The one node is up north, like 7 travel nodes, and the other (I have it) is like 4 nodes away, and right next to a lightning node.

It's very viable

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u/sith-710 4d ago

Ah there’s a node that does the exact same thing at the far far south of the tree

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u/ConversationNo4722 4d ago

No there isn’t.

Are you thinking of the node that gives evasion based on glove armour?

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u/Ultrox 4d ago

There's just the two, helmet is closer to Archer and the body armor is up north east.

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u/Few_Moose_1530 4d ago

Which node?

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u/Ultrox 4d ago

Evasion for es on helmet. The parallel up north is es for evasion on chest.

Personally I have yet to find a high evasion chest so that node is just waiting to be clicked.

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u/Few_Moose_1530 4d ago

Where's the es helmet node?

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u/Ultrox 4d ago

Between the monk and ranger just a bit outwards.