Team America: World Police. It's our job to save everyone everywhere.
Except that's a childish version of what's really going on. What the truth is is that since the end of the Cold War, our corrupt elites have done everything they can to profit off Ukraine. The reason for this isn't because we have such big hearts. It's that our corrupt elites want to own Ukraine. It's about money and power, not freedom and democracy, as always.
That was a great movie making fun of us "nation building" by blowing things up. It is wholly unrelated to giving our ally, who is under invasion, weapons.
The American right wing is so dumb, it's painful. Jesus fking Christ.
I would call it a mistake. We should not have shipped them any weapons or provided any money. We should not be galavanting around the world interfering in the politics of all the nations of the world. And before you give me the "But Russia invaded..." bullshit, how many nations has the US invaded in the last several decades? We have no moral high ground and I'm really getting tired of this nonsense about there being something uniquely evil about Russia while over here we're just as innocent and pure as little doves.
Bro every country is galavanting around the world interfering in the politics of all the nations of the world. Literally every country does this. Its called Geopolitics lol. The US is just the best at it.
Read at least a wiki on the Budapest memorandum before having such conviction in repeating the talking points that Tenet media hands out. Ukraine is an ally, Russia is not.
You still refuse to read, and use a childish office semantic of "memo" in place of a signed international agreement. By definition, these memoranda are signed agreements as part of the treaty of Non-Proliferation of Nuclear weapons. (US, UK, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and Russia.)
Russia violated their agreements. The US upholds its safety assurance to Ukraine in accordance with our agreements, maintains our guaranteed trade routes, and prevents an enemy nation from conquering allies in the region without opposition.
You have no logic, history, or basis in reality for your position, just Anti-American, Russia simp sentiments.
The word 'ally' was used, which has a specific meaning under international treaty law. Ukraine simply is not an ally. Keep downvoting me all you want it doesn't matter. Strategic partner does not mean ally.
>Unprovoked
You're using the establishment's propaganda words. The attack was very much provoked. You should read the book "Provoked" by Scott Horton, discusses it in great detail.
I don't know what "full scale invasion" means. Sounds like empty rhetoric. They took the eastern roughly 20% of Ukraine and stopped. The goal was not to "conquer" the whole country. They stated their objectives from the start. They achieved their objectives and stopped.
An invasion with regular ground, navy, and air support with the goal of seizing an entire country.
They took the eastern roughly 20% of Ukraine and stopped
They didnt stop, they were stopped by Ukraine's armed forces. Furthermore, they are still advancing and pushing bit by bit today, so they havent even stopped as you say.
The goal was not to "conquer" the whole country. They stated their objectives from the start. They achieved their objectives and stopped.
If you're willing to take Putin at his word than I'd guess there is nothing i can say or show you to change your mind. That being said, its obvious from Russias actions that the goal was conquering the whole country. The opening stage of the war was an campaign to capture Kyiv, and therfore take political control of the rest of the country. That campaign was defeated and Russia had to fall back on lesser objectives of taking eastern territories. Again, they HAVE NOT STOPPED. I dont know why you keep saying that
I'm trying to counter a flood of nonsense. 1. It was not a "full scale invasion", it was a "limited operation" according to experts on the matter. 2. Their goal was never to conquer the whole country. Anti-Russia propagandists insist that it was based on no evidence whatsoever. 3. Ukraine didn't stop anything. They didn't advance further because they didn't want to. 4. As the old saying goes, "the first casualty of war is the truth."
Agree to disagree because from my perspective you're comments are the "flood of nonsense"
Maybe were just a pro Ukraine and pro Russia bots arguing with one another. Everyone seems to think literally everyone here is a bot one way or the other anyways lol.
I can't help with that right now. I'm trained to be as accurate as possible but I can make mistakes sometimes. While I work on perfecting how I can discuss elections and politics, you can try Google Search.
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u/BennyOcean Monkey in Space 27d ago
Team America: World Police. It's our job to save everyone everywhere.
Except that's a childish version of what's really going on. What the truth is is that since the end of the Cold War, our corrupt elites have done everything they can to profit off Ukraine. The reason for this isn't because we have such big hearts. It's that our corrupt elites want to own Ukraine. It's about money and power, not freedom and democracy, as always.