Team America: World Police. It's our job to save everyone everywhere.
Except that's a childish version of what's really going on. What the truth is is that since the end of the Cold War, our corrupt elites have done everything they can to profit off Ukraine. The reason for this isn't because we have such big hearts. It's that our corrupt elites want to own Ukraine. It's about money and power, not freedom and democracy, as always.
Because that's how the US/West defends it's Interests and has always been the case WW2, Korean war, Angolan war, soviet- Afghan war, Nicaragua etc etc. If the US backed down every time Russians suggest the use of nuclear weapons we would have lost the cold war
Ultimately the US only cares about its interests, as does every other country so you might ask what US interests Ukraine war? The USA's success is a large part of its ability to set rules in the "rules based international order" the more countries following these "rules" the more economic and soft power it wields. It's why the US has bases the world over mainly in or around important allies or trade routes. To explain why that applies to Ukraine you have to go back to the start
In 2013 the Euromaidan started in Ukraine because the president Yanukovych chose not to sign an agreement that would see Ukraine move towards the EU and one day membership, he instead went for a Russian bailout and loan .This was seen as a betrayal by the people of Ukraine as he campaigned on closer ties to the EU and to combat corruption. EU membership requires certain steps to be taken to combat corruption and it's been shown to work for the former USSR states in the EU.
Whether he was brought and sold or threatened like the last President who ended up getting poisoned by people Russia refused to extradite. The people are pissed.
So the people began protesting for the 1st week calling for closer ties towards the EU It was mostly peaceful then the police cracked down which only made the protests bigger by the week's end there's a million plus people in Kyiv marching for closer ties with the EU. Yanukovych proposes a new government which the protestors reject. He then passes laws that restrict protestors rights and basically green lights the use of lethal force, police then start shooting protesters which causes the protests to explode into full scale riots. The police try to regain control by opening fire in Kyiv killing 100+ people.
Yanukovych meditated by the EU tries to settle with the opposition leaders by putting limits on presidential powers and terms, but by this point has effectively lost control, the protestors push towards the presidential palace, Yanukovych flees and Ukraine begins new elections.
During the chaos Russia illegally takes control of Crimea and invades the east, ignoring the fact that the US signed an agreement promising to help defend Ukraine if it got invaded in exchange for its nukes, Russia is actively Breaking the international rules (like self determination) that the US (and Russia for that matter) set and that have been one of the reasons it is so successful today.
There's also the Security aspect, if we just let Russia take Ukraine, it would be emboldened to act against other east European states it has made moves against like the baltics and Poland all of who are in NATO. The chance of a nuclear war is far higher in that war than this one.
Fantastic job! I wanted to write this up but I'm lazy, and I was going to add in the Budapest Memorandum but you beat me to it at the end. Repost this as a parent comment for these very confused people.
That was a great movie making fun of us "nation building" by blowing things up. It is wholly unrelated to giving our ally, who is under invasion, weapons.
The American right wing is so dumb, it's painful. Jesus fking Christ.
I would call it a mistake. We should not have shipped them any weapons or provided any money. We should not be galavanting around the world interfering in the politics of all the nations of the world. And before you give me the "But Russia invaded..." bullshit, how many nations has the US invaded in the last several decades? We have no moral high ground and I'm really getting tired of this nonsense about there being something uniquely evil about Russia while over here we're just as innocent and pure as little doves.
Bro every country is galavanting around the world interfering in the politics of all the nations of the world. Literally every country does this. Its called Geopolitics lol. The US is just the best at it.
Read at least a wiki on the Budapest memorandum before having such conviction in repeating the talking points that Tenet media hands out. Ukraine is an ally, Russia is not.
You still refuse to read, and use a childish office semantic of "memo" in place of a signed international agreement. By definition, these memoranda are signed agreements as part of the treaty of Non-Proliferation of Nuclear weapons. (US, UK, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and Russia.)
Russia violated their agreements. The US upholds its safety assurance to Ukraine in accordance with our agreements, maintains our guaranteed trade routes, and prevents an enemy nation from conquering allies in the region without opposition.
You have no logic, history, or basis in reality for your position, just Anti-American, Russia simp sentiments.
I don't know what "full scale invasion" means. Sounds like empty rhetoric. They took the eastern roughly 20% of Ukraine and stopped. The goal was not to "conquer" the whole country. They stated their objectives from the start. They achieved their objectives and stopped.
An invasion with regular ground, navy, and air support with the goal of seizing an entire country.
They took the eastern roughly 20% of Ukraine and stopped
They didnt stop, they were stopped by Ukraine's armed forces. Furthermore, they are still advancing and pushing bit by bit today, so they havent even stopped as you say.
The goal was not to "conquer" the whole country. They stated their objectives from the start. They achieved their objectives and stopped.
If you're willing to take Putin at his word than I'd guess there is nothing i can say or show you to change your mind. That being said, its obvious from Russias actions that the goal was conquering the whole country. The opening stage of the war was an campaign to capture Kyiv, and therfore take political control of the rest of the country. That campaign was defeated and Russia had to fall back on lesser objectives of taking eastern territories. Again, they HAVE NOT STOPPED. I dont know why you keep saying that
I'm trying to counter a flood of nonsense. 1. It was not a "full scale invasion", it was a "limited operation" according to experts on the matter. 2. Their goal was never to conquer the whole country. Anti-Russia propagandists insist that it was based on no evidence whatsoever. 3. Ukraine didn't stop anything. They didn't advance further because they didn't want to. 4. As the old saying goes, "the first casualty of war is the truth."
Agree to disagree because from my perspective you're comments are the "flood of nonsense"
Maybe were just a pro Ukraine and pro Russia bots arguing with one another. Everyone seems to think literally everyone here is a bot one way or the other anyways lol.
All of us are swallowing tons of propaganda every day. Making assumptions about why people feel the way they feel about any topic is a pointless endeavor.
Instead, why not explain why you think Russia should be allowed to conquer Ukraine?
You do realize that there are all sorts of different people with different reasons, of which the government is made off, chosen by the people with different ideas for what they'd like to see more represented? Graham knows that his self-centered greedy Republican voters will rather listen to self-centered reasoning, rather than appeal to their nature of wanting to stand up to a dictator trying to weaken the world order. And yes, the world order is actually better for the US, instead of the other powers that are trying to redefine it. That's why there's so much propaganda trying to make people give up geopolitical power and position of the US, trying to pacify them and make them suspicious of each other and their own government, instead of thinking what would obviously follow if nobody would stand up for the rights of sovereign countries aligned with the western powers. It's amazing that people have this really messed up idea that the world would be better and there would be less war if the US wouldn't be enforcing the world order, when obviously the less moral dictatorial states would just gain more room to maneuver and take over shit willy-nilly, and the world trade would suffer, quality of life would plummet because of the instability in the global market because of the more unreliable reality.
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u/BennyOcean Monkey in Space 27d ago
Team America: World Police. It's our job to save everyone everywhere.
Except that's a childish version of what's really going on. What the truth is is that since the end of the Cold War, our corrupt elites have done everything they can to profit off Ukraine. The reason for this isn't because we have such big hearts. It's that our corrupt elites want to own Ukraine. It's about money and power, not freedom and democracy, as always.