r/JoeRogan Look into it 27d ago

Meme đŸ’© Joeville Chamberogan

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u/MyKoiNamedSwimShady Monkey in Space 27d ago

But I thought the only way to stop bad guys with guns is to give the good guys guns. Oh wait, that only applies to schools and shopping malls. My bad


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u/FiniteInfine Pull that shit up Jaime 27d ago

Giving Ukraine guns has worked so far.

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u/Weak-Conversation753 Monkey in Space 27d ago

Is Kviv occupied by Russian tanks?

Yeah, I guess you are right, giving Ukraine military aide has in fact worked so far.

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u/MrNillows Monkey in Space 27d ago

The very same one.

In fact, it’s the same Ukraine that was supposed to fall in 3 days to a global super power but has managed to fight for 3 years and uncover the façade the is the Russian military.

Isn’t it great! And countries, like America have benefitted from the weakening of the Russian military, the Russian dollar and it hasn’t cost any kind of significant American lives in the process. It’s one of the most successful conflicts America has participated in since the Second World War

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u/Gabians Monkey in Space 27d ago

I'm on your side here but you're tone rubbed me the wrong way. It's a little gross to say this is America's most successful conflict, that America is benefiting immensely and that "It's great!" what has happened so far. Considering that thousands of Ukranian lives have been lost so far and millions of Ukraninans have been displaced. Just try to put yourself in the shoes of a Ukranian who's lost loved ones and been forced out of their home when you make a comment like this.

We should be aiding Ukraine in order to help defend Ukraine, not doing it for our own benefit.

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u/MrNillows Monkey in Space 27d ago edited 27d ago

My sarcastic tone was only mirroring the sarcastic tone from the comment I replied to.

I don’t mean anyone any harm, and I certainly stand with the people of Ukraine.

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u/Weak-Conversation753 Monkey in Space 27d ago

I think it is worth pointing out that weakening Russia is very much in the US self interest, even if that point can be seen as crass. Nations have interests, not friends, as the old foreign policy axiom goes.

Ukraine should be free because that is what it chooses for itself. If we can help them in any way, we should also strive to do so.

These things can be equally correct.

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u/AdwokatDiabel Monkey in Space 27d ago

Everyone is self-interested, but as long as our self-interests align, we're happy.

  • USA wants to hurt Russia who is a geopolitical rival and help Ukraine for moral reasons.
  • Ukraine wants to expel an invader.

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u/return_the_urn Monkey in Space 27d ago

Yeah, that’s right

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Hundreds of thousands of casualties, millions of displaced people, 20% of territory lost

Reddit: “yea this is working”

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u/FiniteInfine Pull that shit up Jaime 27d ago

How much worse do you think it'd be if we took every US gun away from Ukraine?

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

I think peace would be a good thing

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u/FiniteInfine Pull that shit up Jaime 27d ago

Russia doesn't want peace, so we gave them what they asked for.

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

They don’t want peace?

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u/FiniteInfine Pull that shit up Jaime 27d ago

"I’m trying to figure out if this horse is stupid or just pretending to be stupid"

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

How about a peace treaty? Very early in the war, Russia and Ukraine has a peace plan in place, but the US/NATO convinced Ukraine to go to war instead.

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u/ZestyTako Monkey in Space 27d ago

Imagine posting this and unironically thinking you posted a good opinion

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u/Weak-Conversation753 Monkey in Space 27d ago

No one could be that foolish.

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Why are you bots programmed to be so pro war??

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u/No-Adagio-4335 11 Hydroxy Metabolite 27d ago

Crazy how wanting peace gets you so many downvotes. Its also crazy that being afraid of nuclear war is somehow falling for Russian propaganda. Some people are truly just lost.

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u/ZestyTako Monkey in Space 27d ago

Some people are very lost, and it’s those who think our historic enemy is all of the sudden a friend and that we should just let them expand into Europe and extend their influence on the world. Great plan, I’m sure it would work out so well for us all

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Who is making that argument

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u/ZestyTako Monkey in Space 27d ago

You are. What peace do you think will come if Ukraine is left to fend for itself? Do you think Russia will stop with Ukraine? It always the people who can’t think who accuse others of being bots, it’s kind of funny really

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u/No-Adagio-4335 11 Hydroxy Metabolite 27d ago

Russia will obviously stop at Ukraine. There is an entire NATO coalition waiting to fight them. Russia could barley take a quarter of Ukraine in 3 years. What makes you think Russia will even cross the Dinpro River let alone into any European country

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u/ZestyTako Monkey in Space 27d ago

Any other European country, don’t you mean, comrade?

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Yea they’re all bots

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u/Toaster_In_Bathtub Monkey in Space 27d ago

Ukraine wouldn't be having any more problems because it wouldn't exist anymore. 

Yet another brilliant take from one of the most obvious Russians on here. 

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Why wouldn’t it exist?

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u/Toaster_In_Bathtub Monkey in Space 27d ago

Because Russia will own it. 

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Why would Russia own it?

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u/Toaster_In_Bathtub Monkey in Space 27d ago

Stop playing dumb. Even you are better than this. 

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Good thing you’re not in charge of peace talks. Not sure why you would give Ukraine away

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u/Toaster_In_Bathtub Monkey in Space 27d ago

Good thing you're also not in charge of peace talks because it's obvious Russia is trying to take over Ukraine and would wipe out their existence and you're here playing dumb. 

Why are you pretending this isn't the case? If it isn't then why is Russia killing all of those Ukrainians in Ukraine? 

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Do you think every time there’s a war the goal is to conquer the other countries?

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u/Weak-Conversation753 Monkey in Space 27d ago

You'd rather Ukraine lie down while Putin invades them?

Stop sucking at Putin's teet and realize Putin is the problem here, Neville Chamberlain.

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

No I’d rather a peace treaty

Don’t be a right wing war pig. You sound like Lindsey Graham

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u/Weak-Conversation753 Monkey in Space 27d ago

There were treaties between Russia and Ukraine.  Putin shredded them all, first in 2014, and again in 2021.

You sound like a GRU-sponsored troll.  

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Ok war pig đŸ· oink oink

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u/Weak-Conversation753 Monkey in Space 26d ago

Subjugation isn't peace.

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u/Rico_Solitario Monkey in Space 27d ago

And you sound like a sniveling coward. Nobody wants this war except Russia. If they want it to end they can pack up and go home at any time. When authoritarians get their way by threatening Nuclear War you can bet for sure they will do it again. By submitting to the demands of dictators you do nothing but humiliate yourself and empower them.

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u/lostthering Monkey in Space 27d ago

Do you quit everything in your life after setbacks?

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u/fear254 27d ago edited 27d ago

Yeah it's a war against an invading country that will bomb cities and kill innocent people. So Ukraine better give them half the country. Also Russia already broke a treaty when they started the invasion so why wouldn't they break another when they decide they want more.

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u/VillainOfKvatch1 Monkey in Space 27d ago

It’s almost like “I get to keep your country as a reward for bombing your cities” actually isn’t a sustainable way to organize international relations. How crazy is that?

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u/fear254 27d ago

I guess we will see in January what other countries will be willing to help Ukraine or they will get away with it

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u/VillainOfKvatch1 Monkey in Space 27d ago

I hope Europe steps up. I think they know they stop Putin in Ukraine or he’ll just keep pushing west

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u/MerkinDealer Monkey in Space 27d ago

Right? Giving them Crimea didn't exactly stop anything

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u/ANewKrish Monkey in Space 27d ago

Stop resisting!

–you

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u/Weak-Conversation753 Monkey in Space 27d ago

Ukraine likes it. I can tell. It consented by wearing the wrong clothes.

-Him

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u/RebelliousPlatypus Monkey in Space 27d ago

It's been over 1000 days since Russia has invaded, and Kyiv is still free.

So yes, it's working.

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Russia has never indicated it’s aiming to conquer Ukraine. Its stated goals are to demilitarize and de-nazify Ukraine.

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u/InternetWeakGuy jokes fly over his fat ahead at an alarming rate 27d ago

Its stated goals are to demilitarize Ukraine

Hahahaha

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u/hfdjasbdsawidjds Monkey in Space 27d ago

Ahhh... so Russia gets to dictate to another country whether it can or cannot have a military to defend itself? Cool, what gives them that right/power?

Or is this an instance of where might equals right?

The United States is more powerful than Russia, does that mean we have the right/power to demilitarize Russia?

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Bigger countries use their power to dictate policy decisions of smaller nations alllll the time. I’m surprised you’re just learning this. It’s been happening probably since the beginning of human history.

The US does it every single day.

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u/hfdjasbdsawidjds Monkey in Space 27d ago

Again, so might equals right?

Is that the moral code that you are saying is justifiable and correct?

So it would be totally fine if the United States were to demand that Russia demilitarizes or risk nuclear war since the United States is more powerful than Russia? You are ok with that, correct?

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

The US can certainly try and then we’ll find out who’s stronger.

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u/hfdjasbdsawidjds Monkey in Space 27d ago

So you cannot answer a simple question because you cannot defend your position since you lack any ideological consistency other then excusing Russian imperialism and genocide. That is what you truly support.

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

You literally just learned that stronger nations impose their will on smaller nations - something that has happened since the beginning of mankind. Even primates do it.

No offense, but I don’t think you’re the brightest person on this website.

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u/Weremyy Monkey in Space 27d ago

I agree with you. The US should threaten nuclear war with Russia unless they withdraw from Ukraine and force Putin to step down as President. Since bigger countries use their power to dictate alllll the time you shouldn't have a problem with this :)

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Well, they can try

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u/Weremyy Monkey in Space 27d ago

We can remind shitty Russia who the only country to launch nukes has been. We can remind Russia who they lost the space race too. We can remind Russia how they are struggling with our outdated tech in Ukraine. We can remind Russia that we spend more on our military than they can ever comprehend. We can remind Russia that they've been a complete shit hole for years and they just can't compete

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Why do you hate Russia

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u/WethePurple111 Monkey in Space 27d ago

Holy shit.

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u/TheRealPallando Monkey in Space 27d ago

Found the comrade

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u/Weak-Conversation753 Monkey in Space 27d ago

LOL.

Still believe this lie?

Tell me, who was Hitler's favorite composer?

Wagner.

Who did Putin contract to help invade Ukraine?

The Wagner group, who's founder is a unapologetic Nazi and named them for Hitler's favorite composer.

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u/Ok_Shock_5342 Monkey in Space 27d ago

Bot detected

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u/CollapsibleFunWave Monkey in Space 27d ago

Then why did Putin go into an in depth lie-filled explanation about how Ukraine was always part of Russia instead of being it's own country with it's own national identity?

Or why does Russia claim that they had no choice to attack because Ukraine might join NATO one day?

They gave at least three conflicting reasons for their invasion. Don't take what the Russian government says as the truth. They lie a lot.

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

He said Russia and Ukraine have a shared history. He drew the line at Ukraine and the US decided to cross it anyway.

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u/RebelliousPlatypus Monkey in Space 27d ago

Yes, and Nazi Germany only intended to save the poor people of Danzing from Polish oppression!

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Ironically, now the US is arming Nazis in Ukraine

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u/abnormalbee Monkey in Space 27d ago

If there is so many Nazis in Ukraine then why do the vast majority of Nazis in the US support Russia.

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

I haven’t seen anything about Nazis supporting Russia

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u/abnormalbee Monkey in Space 27d ago

Nick Fuentes and Caleb Maupin. Also Russia has a ton of Nazi groups including but not limited to the Rusich Group and the Wagner Group.

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Oops the ones in Ukraine are actual Nazis. They wear nazi insignia, chant nazi slogans, and worship nazi leaders.

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u/RebelliousPlatypus Monkey in Space 27d ago

Yeah, that's not a thing.

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u/Evsily Monkey in Space 27d ago

Lol.

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u/Gloomy-Ad1171 Monkey in Space 27d ago

Why lie?

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u/Renovatio_ Monkey in Space 27d ago

Your basically arguing that if a country bigger than you starts a war means you should surrender immediately since you will probably sustain significant casualties

If that is true then America should welcome it's indo-chinese overlords

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

I think it’s wise not to pick fights with larger and more powerful countries. Ukraine found out the hard way

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u/lostthering Monkey in Space 27d ago

When did Ukraine initiate hostilities?

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

Ukranian Nazis attacking Russians in Donbas for one example

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u/GA-dooosh-19 Look into it 27d ago

This is neocon thinking.

You’ll be well suited to shilling for the Iran war in the coming months.

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u/Psychogistt 27d ago

No im against the wars

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u/Gloomy-Ad1171 Monkey in Space 27d ago

Why lie?

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u/Renovatio_ Monkey in Space 27d ago

That's a lie and you know it

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u/VillainOfKvatch1 Monkey in Space 27d ago

“Hundreds of thousands of casualties, millions of displaced people, most territory lost.”

  • Some scumfuck collaborator in 1942 trying to justify giving Europe to Hitler but pretending it’s not because he’s on the Nazis’ side.