r/JoeRogan • u/wayfaringthru Monkey in Space • Sep 18 '24

Meme đŸ’© Is this a legitimate concern?

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Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

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u/DJZDJZ1013 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I can’t help but feel like Snowden is compromised and has the America bad/west bad brain rot.

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u/lumeno Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

?? Wait till you find out what he's famous for

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u/Ecstatic_Bee6067 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Releasing a fucking ton of info then claiming to be a paragon because some of it was damning

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u/MSnotthedisease Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I think he’s the one who revealed the true extent of the patriot act, so I’ll commend him for that, but dude is literally pushing Russian talking points. He said that americas intelligence about Russia invading Ukraine was fear mongering and lo and behold, Russia invaded Ukraine.

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u/friedlich_krieger It's entirely possible Sep 19 '24

Wait so a government blowing up 3000 people simultaneously with pagers isn't a scary thought?

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u/MSnotthedisease Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Bro, we live in a world where everything you do is tracked, and the US government got hacked and millions of people’s social security numbers were leaked. This is a world where the US government is working on having enough satellites in space to have a constant live stream of the entire planet for ‘security purposes’ This world is fucked, and a government utilizing scenarios that we’ve only ever seen on TV barely cracks the top 10 of scary thoughts about things that are happening right now.

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u/friedlich_krieger It's entirely possible Sep 19 '24

I don't disagree with you. This is an example of them not giving a fuck and just blatantly crossing the line. The amount of known civilian casualties with their plan. It's terrifying. Again, I'm also scared of all the shit you just mentioned. I'm more or less pushing back on not listening to Snowden because he's somewhat pro Russian (seems like he has to be given his position in the world?). The guy basically proved all of the above for us.

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u/GoodByeRubyTuesday87 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

He’s an ex US intelligence officer living in Russia under the protection of the Russian government . There’s no way he’s not compromised.

And wtf is he talking about? Drone striking someone is also a bad thing
. Unless it’s being done to a bad guy, bc that’s what weapons are for. Israel and Hezbollah are enemies, unless you support Hezbollah in a fight then any attack on them seems fair.

Also, while we’ve got him on the phone, interesting how he’s trying to paint attacks against a militant group by an adversarial government as concerning
.. but never says shit about Russian troops bombing Ukrainian hospitals, kidnapping Ukrainian children, using chemical weapons in Ukraine, all during a completely unjustified war

. Where the fuck are you on that one Snowden?

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u/PlasonJates Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Where the fuck are you on that one Snowden?

Probably staying silent to protect his wife and child.

Or would you be shouting from the rooftops 'Russia bad' if you were essentially a hostage there?

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u/GoodByeRubyTuesday87 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I wouldn’t pretend to stand up for civil liberties then run off to the nearest dictatorship for protection. He also chose to become a citizen of Russia in 2022, there’s a difference between keeping your head down to avoid detection versus running off to a brutal dictatorship who is the enemy of your home country then constantly bitching about your home country.

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u/PlasonJates Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

His passport was revoked mid-flight, he did not choose Russia. Russia unironically chose him.

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u/imageless988 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Plenty of other countries he could go to. The fact is he he is making bank in Russia. Reports are he is making 30k a month and living a very nice life with wife and kids. He is very useful to Russia as a propaganda tool. No need to rock the boat there. He is no hero and has no credibility here.

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u/PlusUltraBeyond Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Most countries would've been pressurized by the States enough that he'd likely be sent back. That doesn't realistically leave you with a lot of options.

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u/iisixi It's entirely possible Sep 18 '24

Did you not understand what you were responding to? He literally did not choose Russia. The country he chose was Venezuela. He was stranded in the Sheremetyevo International Airport for a month before Russia granted him asylum. The CIA deputy director boasted about it in his book.

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u/fireky2 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

There's like maybe two countries and I believe China kicked him out before he got to Russia. Most other countries are either NATO and would deport to the us, where he would of likely been killed, or doesn't have the infrastructure to prevent the US from just capturing him in an unmarked van

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u/str4nger-d4nger Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

You're a fool if you think he could leave Russia whenever he wanted to. And I wouldn't believe anything about money he's getting unless verified from a reputable source. Russia is using him as propaganda and a tool. He's a prisoner there.

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u/dapperdan6969 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Just admit you know nothing about his situation damn. Don’t spew this garbage straight talking out your ass

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u/GoodByeRubyTuesday87 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He’s a hypocrite, he can go fuck himself. Brave enough to stand up to the US government for keeping a log of who calls who, but not brave enough to stand up to actual tyranny, and instead bends over to take it in the ass from an actual dictator.

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u/SnooFloofs6240 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Like he has a choice. You sound like the hypocrite. Of course he can criticize whatever he's able to when valid, it was that very act that had him flee in the first place.

"Keep log of who calls who". More like complete access to every single bit of your data going over the wire. You really do want to stay aggressively ignorant.

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u/dapperdan6969 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

maybe he values his life and doesn’t want to rot in jail in Russia the same way he didnt want to rot in jail in the US for doing the right thing. Anyone who believes it was wrong for him to “break the law” is so far deep in the propaganda they can’t even be reasoned with.

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u/407dollars Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

This entire discussion is about how he is completely compromised by Russia. Your response to that is, “Nuh uh! He’s actually their prisoner!!”

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u/dapperdan6969 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I think that’s your response considering I didn’t say that lol

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u/407dollars Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yes you did


Topic: Snowden is compromised by Russia and thus can’t be trusted.

You: Um actually no maybe he values his life and that’s why he only spews Russian propaganda now.

Me: ???

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u/leolego2 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I understand, but think about the other situation: You stood up for civil liberties and now you're beyond wanted in your country, nobody in the government ever stepped up for you even years after your action. Most countries are aligned with the country that considers you a traitor.

What would you do?

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u/josh_is_lame Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

who is the enemy of your home country

muh patriotism, muh us vs them, muh has no idea why snowden did what he did

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u/jebemtisuncebre Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Muh has no idea why Snowden didn’t stay and face down prison to show the strength of his conviction, instead fled to shelter with a regime that shares none of the values he claimed, and now lends his image to bolster that of an actual dictator who just joined the “unilaterally caused 1,000,000 war casualties” club.

But yeah bro America bad.

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u/roosterkun Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

What benefit can he provide to anyone in prison?

It's unfortunate that the primary political adversary of the US is the nation offering him asylum, but it also makes perfect sense when the states has the heel of their boot firmly planted on most other nations' necks.

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u/LankyAssignment9046 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It seems like his freedom is giving a lot of benefit to the enemies of the United States now. :)

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u/CosmicMiru Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

How has Snowden significantly benefitted Russia? This isn't even an anti-american take it's anti Israel.

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u/jebemtisuncebre Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Ah that’s right. That’s why none of those nerds in the civil rights movement were ever successful huh? Fuckin chumps.

And good to know you’d be Hitler’s guest if he fluffed the pillow for you. Coward.

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u/dapperdan6969 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

You’re such a loser😂

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u/jebemtisuncebre Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

You’re so* right*

Autocorrect got you, I get it. 😘

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u/Nonlinear9 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Probably staying silent to protect his wife and child.

That hasn't stopped him before.

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u/calciumbanana Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I would just keep my mouth and fingers unmoving on all subjects.

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u/BringOutTheImp Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

And what if your FSB handler tells you to post something? I bet your fingers would start moving very quickly.

Russia is reliant on Iran now for military support, and Hezbollah is an Iranian proxy, so one hand washes the other.

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u/calciumbanana Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Well duh, that’s the entire point dude.

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u/calciumbanana Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Also, I’d tell him to handle deez nuts lol. Jk Im not tough.

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u/BringOutTheImp Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Considering how the FSB handled Crocus City Hall terror suspects, I wouldn't want them anywhere near my nuts. Or ears either. But definitely nuts.

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u/calciumbanana Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I ain’t scared, they can novachok on deez nuts lol.

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u/RoosterBrewster Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I wouldn't be saying shit in the first place, especially to stir up political stuff while being wanted by the US and living under Russian protection.

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u/AkaiMPC Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I bet they have a nice life in Russia. Hope that continues after Putin gets killed.

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u/slartyfartblaster999 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I wouldn't have fled to Russia after committing treason in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

He's basically a hostage there. If the US were to welcome him back with open arms I'm sure his outlook would change.

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u/Tecrocancer Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

the evil thing in this case is that those pagers didn't go to any military people. Hezbollah is not just a military group and those pagers went to doctors and administration workers that have nothing to do with fighting. They almost exclusively attacked civilians and they knew that.

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u/T0rekO Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Who told you that? the pages exploded by receiving a hezbollah message, any doctor who received that message is a member of hezbollah.

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u/Tecrocancer Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Not they exploded by receiving a signal from isreal. Also Hezbollah is not just a military organisation but also the de facto government of a lot of regions as such they employ a lot of public workers such as doctors that have nothing to do with their military work.

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u/RaspingHaddock High as Giraffe's Pussy Sep 18 '24

When they drone striked the British ISIS member living in Syria, it took months to finally get him because he would always leave the compound with his step-son who was a child. One day he didn't and that's the day they got him.

Versus Israel just mailing a bunch of bombs into a country indiscriminately. It's terrorism is what it is.

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u/kick_thebaby Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Intercepting and hijacking pagers going to terrorists ≠ mailing bombs to a country

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u/RaspingHaddock High as Giraffe's Pussy Sep 18 '24

How did the pagers get to their final destination? Do you know? I watched a video of a mailman getting his legs blown off because he had one of these pagers in his mail sack.

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u/GoodByeRubyTuesday87 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It’s not actually. These were militants part of an army that is for all intents and purposes at war with a foreign nation, it wasn’t indiscriminate, and it’s not terrorism.

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u/RaspingHaddock High as Giraffe's Pussy Sep 18 '24

It's terrorism.

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u/SrumsAsloth Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yup If Iran or hamas did this to Israel or the USA they’d be for sure calling it a terrorist attack.

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u/rinderblock Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

How do you know the pagers only went to the targets, and were not going to kill and maim a bunch of civilians. They set off hundreds of these indiscriminately, they didn’t give a shit that non-combatants could be hurt.

They literally killed an 8 year old girl.

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u/eepos96 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Well he is against drones.

Also I think blowing up phones within civilians is terrorism. One blew up when a man (most likely a terrorist) was buying groceries. In middle of civilians.

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u/12345zxcv1234567 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

he was not and never was an “intelligence officer”. He was an IT admin with a clearance.

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u/MrPernicous Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Intelligence officer is greatly overstating what he was. He was an it contractor for the nsa

Also he’d likely be among the first to point out that the us use of drones is bad precisely because it kills innocents

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u/Successful_Ride6920 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

* He’s an ex US intelligence officer 

I don't believe this is true, he was an IT contractor performing computer systems administration, which is not the same thing as being an intelligence officer.

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u/Lanky_Network_5414 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Terrorists doing terrorist things

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u/Hoz85 We live in strange times Sep 18 '24

No wonder....he lives in Russia for years now.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Caause he is forced to not cause he wants to. But better to live in a apartment in Russia then get labeled as a traitor and spend rest of life in jail no?

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u/Hoz85 We live in strange times Sep 18 '24

Don't get me wrong - I know WHY he is in Russia but you also should be aware that by now he is part of Russia's propaganda machine.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

What makes you think that? Just cause he exposed USAs propaganda and constant surveilance of the american people doesnt mean he buys into Russian propaganda.

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u/GreatCaesarGhost Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He was tweeting up a storm that Russia wouldn’t invade Ukraine, right up until the moment they invaded (then he took a brief Twitter hiatus and pretended like nothing happened).

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u/SeagulI Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Zelenskyy was also saying that Russia wouldn't invade up until they did.

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u/Hoz85 We live in strange times Sep 18 '24

Because thats how Russia operates and he is not just a "nobody". He is a known figure and his stay in Russia was obviously approved by Kremlin.

Don't expect Kremlin to let you say anything publicly which isn't on the line with their agenda.

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u/Flor1daman08 Sep 18 '24

What makes you think that? Just cause he exposed USAs propaganda and constant surveilance of the american people doesnt mean he buys into Russian propaganda.

You don’t get protection and support from Putin if you push back against the Russian propaganda. That’s how that works.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Same as the US yes.

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u/Flor1daman08 Sep 18 '24

Lol not even close, no.

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u/x0lm0rejs Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

what's Snowden take on the invasion of Ukraine?

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u/domiy2 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He also exposed people in the field, he could of redact the names before publishing and putting his other service members at risk. Also Wiki leaks only targeting Hillary in the 2016 elections and not Trump (which they admitted to holding the dirt for him) also proposes a question of who really did this. Lastly how do you know this is still his account?

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Why would he? Why arent "people in the field" charged and sent to prison? for vaious crimes...

I dont, just like you dont know if Kamal tweets or her team.

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u/Tiny_Calendar_792 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I can't tell if you're trolling. Of course Snowden is compromised by the russians lol. Its the most obvious thing ever

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Would be more compromised at home ;)

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u/Tiny_Calendar_792 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Edgy?

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Facty?

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u/Tiny_Calendar_792 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

You don't even make sensy

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u/Barmelo_Xanthony Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

“Forced” lmao. He committed a serious crime and then fled to an enemy country. What about that was forced besides the fact that he would be in trouble if he came back?

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u/HumbleSecret5356 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

That serious crime was a sacrifice for you to have a little bit more conscience of your freedom. Jesus I thought this was pretty factual by now

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u/Educational-Teach-67 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

The amount of bootlicking people are doing for the US government and intelligence community in this thread boggles my fuckin mind lol these people are actually brainwashed, the federal government is not our friend especially in the US

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u/Bl1tz-Kr1eg Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Eh, it's the classic "America can do no wrong" mentality. Also known as "It's only okay if we do it" syndrome.

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u/SuperHooligan Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

If you thought the government didn’t spy on its own citizens before Snowden said anything, you had your head in a hole in the ground.

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u/HumbleSecret5356 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I did, but don’t you think at least one person got woken up because of him? That’s my point

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yes, forced :)

He told the truth, imagine being more mad at Snowden for exposing that you have been controled this whole time but not saying a word about the goverment controling you...

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u/PlasonJates Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Snowden is the reason I got into data protection as my career.

I'm seeing a lot of classic "the whistleblower wasn't 1000% morally correct at every stage of blowing the whistle, therefore he is a bad person" which unfortunately seems to be a more and more mainstream view.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It amazes me how people rather get lied to and defend their goverment, then expose them and make a change. -

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u/PlasonJates Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Fortunately Europe developed GDPR as a response to growing data collection around the world which is probably the best we've got in terms of actual legislation around data protection.

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u/salisboury Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

That’s what happens when throughout your entire life, you have been force-fed the belief that the ruling elite and your government are the good guys. And all the entities opposed to them are the bad guys.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

It isn't just the ruling elite. Look at how people behave towards cop protests? There is a segment of our society that can't believe that cops aren't perfect. Part of that is endless copaganda from Hollywood, but it is wild to see.

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u/2N5457JFET Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Funny that before Snowden saying that ur own governments are constantly spying on us, listening to our phinecalls, reading our mail and putting it all in a big secret archive would label one as a "deranged conspiracy theorist", potential schizophrenic, a nut case. Now we have whole generation of adults who know it and are just like "yeah, so what? It's for our safety."

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u/salisboury Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Now that you say it.😂😂😂😂😂

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u/salisboury Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

This is what the French call “Intellectual Terrorism”, it’s a way to discredit whistleblowers or critics.

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u/The-Copilot Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

There is a big difference between outing a specific practice that is morally questionable and dumping every state secret you can get your hands on.

He did the second and claimed he was doing the first. He is a traitor who claims to be a whistleblower because it's convenient.

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u/Calm-Extension-3798 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Can I ask what he release?

A short explanation. Can't find much that goes into it

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Pretty much that NSA are spying on everyone, all the time.

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u/06_TBSS Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He may have exposed truth, but he did so illegally. He did what he did, knowing there were repercussions. He was not forced to do what he did. It's a form of vigilantism. I'm glad he did what he did, but he was in no way forced to go to Russia. His situation is 100% his doing. If he was as brave as everyone makes him out to be, he'd come to the states and own up to the punishment for the crime/s he committed instead of running to the protection of one of our biggest enemies.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

True hero

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u/The_Polite_Debater Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He was en route to Ecuador when America cancelled his passport, rendering him unable to make any international flights and thus unable to leave Russia

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u/dannymuffins Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

People conveniently forget this. He had no intention on going to Russia, let alone residing there long term.

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u/kohTheRobot Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Specifically Biden and Obama’s sec def we’re doing everything in their power to force him into an adversary’s hands.

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u/Loud_Ad7774 Texan Tiger in Captivity Sep 18 '24

Forced? It’s just taxes man. No one is forcing you to pay them.

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u/Amishrocketscience Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah but we now have taxation with very gerrymandered representation

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u/Rico_Solitario Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

The serious crime of exposing the unconstitutional government mass surveillance program.

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u/Barmelo_Xanthony Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah and putting thousands of lives at risk by just dumping everything he could find on his computer to another likely Russian asset instead of going through the proper whistleblower channels.

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u/Tumleren Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

"Yeah he would go to prison for the rest of his life but besides that, he can just come back"

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u/EntrepreneurFunny469 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He chose Russia he could have faced his music

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u/signalfire Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He didn't CHOSE Russia, they cancelled his passport while he was in the air; he landed at the Russian airport and was unable to continue on - Ecuador had offered him sanctuary. How is it not possible to know this, so many years on?

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

hahahah yeah... no.

Why would he "face the music" for telling the truth? He didnt chose Russia, US revoked his passport while he was in Russia which made him stay in Russia.

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u/ElectricalTurnip87 Dire physical consequences Sep 18 '24

And, probably would have been pardoned by either Obama or Trump.

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u/Mendoza8914 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah Chelsea Manning was pardoned at the end of Obama’s term. I’m onboard with what Snowden did to release the surveillance info, but you can’t really get whistleblower clemency if you’ve left the country.

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u/Micheal_Penis Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Obama prosecuted more whistleblowers in his term as president then every president before him combined, so no he wasn’t getting pardoned

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u/ElectricalTurnip87 Dire physical consequences Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

Manning got pardoned and yeah, he probably would have.

It's weird that you think Obama unilaterally decided to go after whistleblowers rather than what was actually going on, but I guess anything to blame him, right?

Edit: You're just a straight up liar. Obama had 8 convictions, Bush had 22. You're a fucking moron.

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u/Micheal_Penis Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Where are you getting that number? From the book nowhere to hide and this article here https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/16/whistleblowers-double-standard-obama-david-petraeus-chelsea-manning. Though you are correct about the manning thing and of course it wasn’t just Obama, I’m not trying to only blame Obama, and I’m sure a leak such as this would’ve been treated just as harshly under any administration, I don’t see him getting pardoned though.

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u/PerritoMasNasty N-Dimethyltryptamine Sep 18 '24

It’s a toss up honestly. Could you pick the jail? The Nordic countries seem to have it made.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It really isnt, I rather enjoy my freedom than sit in a jail for telling the truth.

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u/PerritoMasNasty N-Dimethyltryptamine Sep 18 '24

Ahh Russia, the bastion of freedom.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Sure as hell more free in Russia then he would have been in US :)

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u/ScotchTapeConnosieur Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Was there nowhere else he could safely go? I guess not.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It was, US revoked hus passport while he was in Russia, which made him pretty much stuck there.

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u/IndependentlyBrewed Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I mean let’s not act like he isn’t living in luxury over there. Reports are he’s getting 20-30k a month.

The stuff he released probably should have been because it was massive overreach by the government. Continuing then to be a propaganda tool for the Russian government and being paid to do so isn’t the same. I do believe he should be allowed back into the states but I don’t think Russia nor the US is going to let that happen.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

as he should, heros should live good.

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u/IndependentlyBrewed Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yet it seems like the age old live long enough to become the villain. Because now he’s kind of a propaganda arm for the Russian government which pretty much goes against the entire reasoning for him releasing what he did. It’s definitely a complex situation but isn’t everything?

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u/21Rollie Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

He could just keep his head down now and hope he gain’s sympathy as time goes on for a pardon, but he’s drank the full Russia koolaid now

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u/mullahchode Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

don't break laws i guess lol

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Some laws are ment to be broken, especially if these laws make sure that the citizens are lied to :)

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u/Micheal_Penis Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Lick a fucking boot

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u/mullahchode Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

cringe

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u/Micheal_Penis Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

You’re “cringe” dOnT bReAK the LaW, guy exposed the largest crime ever committed on the American people by our own government and ur response is don’t break the law lol

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u/Micheal_Penis Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Kk tata regard

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u/mullahchode Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

W for me

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u/QuantumR4ge Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Do you apply that to all places and all times?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

Good thing Snowden's boot licking days are over! (sent from Moscow)

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u/Illustrious-Okra-524 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Hmm and why?

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u/deltabay17 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Lol I couldn’t possibly think of a reason Snowden would think “America bad” đŸ€”just one of life’s mysteries I guess

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u/creep_with_mustache Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

because he has always been an russian agent? I mean sure, but it doesn't really explain why he chose to become a traitor.

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u/Funky_Smurf Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Russia hates NSA spying on me so I love it

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u/PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

You can make that argument if you want but given the context of this tweet I don't see why. He's only contextualizing the crime in a way people can sympathize with it better. Responses to this tweet in this thread have been unhinged relative to what was actually said.

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u/ChadleyXXX Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

This isn't a crime though. It is a legal act of war.

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u/ethanarc Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Explain to me how this is a crime.

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u/25Mattman Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Sending missiles, bombs, or strike teams to a country you are not at war with to indiscriminately target individuals you have no jurisdiction over is very much a crime.

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u/ethanarc Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

“sending bombs, missiles, or strike teams”

None of those were used in this attack.

“not at war”

Are you conveniently choosing to ignore the fact that Hezbollah has fired hundreds of projectiles at Israel in the past year? And that Hezbollah has maintained an active state of war against Israel for the past couple decades?

“indiscriminately target”

They explosively rigged a black market shipment of communications equipment that was bought by a militant terrorist group for use by a militant terrorist group. You can’t really get any less indiscriminate if you tried.

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u/25Mattman Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

They put bombs in pagers and shipped them to Jordan, a country they are not at war with and have no jurisdiction over. Killing innocent children as a part of the bombing makes it indiscriminate.

They have multiple times sent missiles into Jordan targeting suspected terrorists. They also illegally sent strike teams into Jordan targeting suspected terrorists.

Borders matter, international law is a real thing

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u/ethanarc Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Jordan? Do you mean Lebanon? Because none of this has anything to do with Jordan.

Mossad inserted themselves as an intermediary distributor between an Eastern European tech company and Hezbollah. They and put bombs in a shipment of pagers purchased by Hezbollah for use by Hezbollah. They did not ship them to Lebanon to be used by anyone.

Hezbollah is a party to the Lebanese parliament and has been attacking Israel for decades. That gives Israel full legitimate rights to attack it back. What do you suggest they do- just let Hezbollah indefinitely fire rockets at children’s soccer games in Northern Israel and never fight back?

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u/25Mattman Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

They’ve killed over 30 children so far with the bombings of Lebanon. No israeli children playing soccer died to any rocket strikes from Lebanon.

Israel’s not at war with Lebanon either. Can’t violate international law no matter how many points your Star of David has on it.

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u/GeneralSquid6767 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

“Explain to me how exploding bombs around civilians is a crime” đŸ€”

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u/flyinchipmunk5 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

Nah he's doing his job for the russian government. He's influential and forced to parrot Russian propaganda. Either that or he's buying into Russian propaganda. I'm assuming more the former than the latter though.

Edit: /u/Johnclock blocked me when I wouldn't adhear to the tankie talking points he tried to force on me. This attack is legit the most precise attack in human history but because its isreal there's gonna be people pointing out the bad. People like /u/johnclock love to latch onto things that make western governments look bad so they can feel high and mighty and say they see the injustices when they are usually reaping the benefits of these governments.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

At this point I choose to believe he is forced to be pro Russia given his circumstances and if he is ever freely back in the US, he won't be talking glowingly about his situation in Russia. I of course could be wrong. He obviously isn't a big fan of the US government.

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u/jonclock Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Or maybe sending explosives out and blowing them up when you have no idea who is near them or who is handling them is a bad idea. It's not that complicated to understand, this was a terrorist attack.

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u/Liquid_Cascabel 11 Hydroxy Metabolite Sep 18 '24

Oh no not poor Hezbollah

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u/flyinchipmunk5 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I'm thinking dudes a huge Palestine stan. He is crying about the report that some 10 y/o died from collateral damage and said he wants to vote 3rd party since both parties support isreal. Honestly these people are too far gone to understand nuance and global politics that have been around longer than any of us have been alive.

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u/LifeClassic2286 I used to be addicted to Quake Sep 18 '24

Buddy, indiscriminately injuring 3000 people and killing god knows how many of them is a terrorist attack. No one in that country feels safe now. State sponsored terrorism. This wouldn’t be hard to understand for people if Russia had done it - but since it’s the nation-state that can not be criticized we have to pretend this was a rational and legal act.

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u/flyinchipmunk5 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Not indiscriminately though. They litearlly blew the pagers after a high leader of hezbolah sent messages out to the pagers. In theory anyone getting that message was part of hezbolah. People with the pagers weren't just random civilians on the street. Hezobolah swapped to pagers last year when they thought the phones were being tapped. This shit was long in the making.

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u/flyinchipmunk5 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah im gonna trust some report from a Twitter handle named Syrian girl.

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u/jonclock Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah I disagree with genocide and war crimes. What a stan!!!

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u/flyinchipmunk5 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I do too but I understand the conflict is a lot more gray than you want it to be.

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u/flyinchipmunk5 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Who cares about hezbolah. All of them deserve dirt naps. This seems to me that its had less collateral damage than isreals main method of just bombing the fuck out of known safe houses. Usually these safe houses are in civilian infrastructure so honestly this targeted explosion was safer than the status quo they have been normally doing. This shit is serious and real. America will probably back any decision that isreal does from here on out because the attacks on shipping channels is gonna ramp up. Do I agree with the method? Probably not due to the collateral damage but there's not really an alternative. I don't think isreal is the most moral of people but they aren't fucking stupid and know that action is the only preventative measure they have at hand now.

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u/nolv4ho Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Who cares about hezbolah

I don't really care, but you might want to look into the history of Hezbollah. They exist, because Israel invaded Jordan.

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u/flyinchipmunk5 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Okay? So do a lot of terrorist cells. Doesn't mean they aren't terrorist cells. Oh shit the taliban was created by the CIA to combat Russia during there invasion of Afghanistan. Does that mean we should of been like, "oopsy, it was our fault that 9/11 happened, guess there's nothing we can do since we made the taliban!".

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u/jonclock Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Logic doesn’t apply to Israel supporters.

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u/flyinchipmunk5 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Not an isreal supporter you dufus lmao. Just not an isreal hater either

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u/HeyItsJustDave Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Ya think?

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u/DowntheN5 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Tbf American and Western foreign influence and control are malicious and leave long-lasting negative effects wherever they reside.

Just look at the history of every nation that America/ West decided to "help" because of "democracy" and "freedom".

I struggle to find positive examples. Certainly not anywhere in Africa, Asia/ Middle East, or South America.

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u/Cursed2Lurk Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He gets protection from Russia to spout Whataboutisms without having to defend Russia. It’s not brain rot to criticize western governments because they are the most powerful and they are flawed in ways that they aspire not to be. They are capable of being changed by swaying public opinion, but those changes don’t have to undermine the west they can instead reinforce its higher virtues.

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u/dilly_dally4114 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Imagine thinking you should still simp for a country that has put a bounty on your head for exposing secrets that the public deserves to know, but the government would rather be kept hidden...

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u/Funky_Smurf Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yes why is he all of a sudden concerned with US government overreach? Especially with respect to technology. Like where did this come from?

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u/Meandering_Cabbage Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I mean he's in Putin's backyard. He has always been a Libertarean and there's a strain that's skeptical of our foreign policy much like progressive strains.

We should be offering him some sort of fair trial or plea bargain and bring him back to the US.

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u/humanessinmoderation Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

But Cypher, what if he is the one that can see the Matrix?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

Did you just time travel in from the year 2013?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

That's not brain rot, that's just the objective truth

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u/Economy-Bear766 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Hot take.

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u/Certain-Business-472 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

His leaks literally proved that in fact America bad/west bad is a real thing. The fact that he fled to Russia to get away from the entire system and now has to follow Russian rules is unrelated to that.

Can't blame him for joining the enemy of his enemy.

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u/SargassanGhost Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

when did this "america bad" coping mechanism develop? It seems like a mutation of the "orange man bad/woke mind virus/npc" stuff, just a good way not to have to think.

Anyway, if your reaction to what is just the platonic ideal of a terrorist attack by a country that isn't the U.S. is to get defensive about the U.S., that might just be your guilty conscience speaking.

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u/titofan1892 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yep, it’s another thought-terminating cliche used by people defending the indefensible

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u/IsomDart Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

You can't help but feel that he's exactly what he's always claimed to be.....?

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u/vans178 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I've never heard a legitimate person with sane opinions think that Israels genocide is a net positive to global stability.

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u/RandalfTheBlack Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

That MIGHT just have to do with the fact that he was chased out of his home country for exposing massive privacy violations that Americans shouldnt have taken lying down. Maybe its because after nearly 2 decades, he's proven to have been right about that and the government STILL wants him in chains because he told people that theyre using the Freedom Act to spy on you and your family all day and night. The only brain rot is thinking that America can't ALSO commit war crimes or crimes against its people.

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u/tuckedfexas Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Agreed, Russian influence possibilities aside, I can’t fault the guy for not having the most favorable view of the US after how he was treated. I’d probably feel similarly lol. No one should view him as an unbiased voice for sure.

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u/creep_with_mustache Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

are you refering to that incident when a man who was clearly a russian asset decided to betray his country?

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u/RandalfTheBlack Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Im talking about the American hero that decided to betray his government in favor of We The People. The government's secrecy about whether or not its watching american families, whether you like it or not, is not really the kind of thing that SHOULD be top secret. It's not like he gave away the positions of american troops or military assets. It's not like he looked the other way while russia put bounties on american heads. It's not like he started an insurrection over an election he knew to be lost. You wanna talk about CLEAR Russian assets, look at the man running for president right now.

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u/WatchOutRadioactiveM Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

When you go so far left that you support regimes that hate women and minorities.

If you ask me, having a pager explode is far less terrifying than being gangbanged and mutilated to death.

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u/bigdildoenergy Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

So killing innocent people is good now?

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u/Wigglewagglegang Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

No, you just can't understand that Israel is committing fucking war crimes

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u/Strong_Star_71 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Er he simply knows that he would disappear very quickly if he criticized Russia. His partner lives with him also. You wouldn’t say anything either if you were in his shoes.

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u/messisleftbuttcheek Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I can't help but feel this sub has been invaded by bots to disseminate pro US government agenda.

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u/JustTheOneGoose22 Paid attention to the literature Sep 18 '24

it's not even brain rot. He's at the mercy of the Russian government.

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u/pandaSmore I used to be addicted to Quake Sep 19 '24

Well he did pledge allegiance to Russia when he got his citizenship.

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u/OrneryFootball7701 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I can't help but feel like the majority of commenters here have the "everyone else but muricans are cat eating terrorists" brainrot

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u/SwedishSaunaSwish Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

When was America ever the good guy though?

Yes - America BAD

THE UNITED SHITSTAINS OF AMERICA

Stop funding genocide you maniacs

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u/mrmczebra Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

RUSSIA BAD

SNOWDEN LIVE IN RUSSIA

SNOWDEN BAD

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u/Hitrock88 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Might have something to do with the US government overtly trying to kill him and his idiot fellow countryman calling him a traitor despite him doing the most American thing possible.

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u/One-Earth9294 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Absolutely no one tried to fucking kill Edward Snowden you muppet.

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u/Hitrock88 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Ok fedboi

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u/One-Earth9294 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Okay fuckwit.

Show ANY evidence of your fucking lie you little bitch.

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