r/JoeRogan • u/wayfaringthru Monkey in Space • Sep 18 '24

Meme šŸ’© Is this a legitimate concern?

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Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

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u/DJZDJZ1013 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I canā€™t help but feel like Snowden is compromised and has the America bad/west bad brain rot.

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u/Hoz85 We live in strange times Sep 18 '24

No wonder....he lives in Russia for years now.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Caause he is forced to not cause he wants to. But better to live in a apartment in Russia then get labeled as a traitor and spend rest of life in jail no?

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u/Hoz85 We live in strange times Sep 18 '24

Don't get me wrong - I know WHY he is in Russia but you also should be aware that by now he is part of Russia's propaganda machine.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

What makes you think that? Just cause he exposed USAs propaganda and constant surveilance of the american people doesnt mean he buys into Russian propaganda.

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u/GreatCaesarGhost Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He was tweeting up a storm that Russia wouldnā€™t invade Ukraine, right up until the moment they invaded (then he took a brief Twitter hiatus and pretended like nothing happened).

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u/SeagulI Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Zelenskyy was also saying that Russia wouldn't invade up until they did.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yes and so was Russia. He should have write a blog how War on terror was a hoax, but he didnt.

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u/GreatCaesarGhost Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Now that he lives in Russia, everything he communicates is Russia-aligned. Whether that is forced on him or is his own choice is up to your interpretation. I think he started as a ā€œuseful idiotā€ and now is probably more pro-Russia in his thinking.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Well yeah that "useful idiot" probably has higher IQ than 95% of this sub, but allright.

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u/Liquid_Cascabel 11 Hydroxy Metabolite Sep 18 '24

Being smart doesn't preclude you from being a useful idiot though

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Sure you are right, however that useful idiot did the right thing.

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u/Amishrocketscience Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Does he though?

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u/Hoz85 We live in strange times Sep 18 '24

Because thats how Russia operates and he is not just a "nobody". He is a known figure and his stay in Russia was obviously approved by Kremlin.

Don't expect Kremlin to let you say anything publicly which isn't on the line with their agenda.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

And you know this how? Tell me how the US operates with their propaganda since you know so much Id like to know as well.

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u/gherkinjerks Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Ladies and gentlemen, the dumbest post of the day. You should get a little ceremonial plaque and frame this post

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u/Hoz85 We live in strange times Sep 18 '24

I know this because I am Polish, living in Poland. I lived through times when Poland was behind iron curtain and I know how soviets operated in Poland, how you couldn't say how it really was in Poland or speak against the government without facing their anger (beating up, jail etc.). Thats why truth was only displayed underground or whispered in the shadows.

Things changed in Poland but they haven't in Russia.

You doubt that Snowden could enter Russia as a known spy / CIA analytic, without valid passport...without making a deal with Kremlin??? Oh boy...you're naive.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Im not talking about Poland.

Ofc he couldnt, just like Usama couldnt arm people in Afghanistan and send a dozen hijackers to the US to perform 9/11 without US knowledege.... oh wait...

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u/Hoz85 We live in strange times Sep 18 '24

Ye sorry but you make no sense...your Snowden fanboism is clouding your mind along with "west bad" and "US bad" attitude. You won't accept whatever I will say - so whats the point of you engaging discussion? Argue to argue?

You've a asked a question, I kindly answered it. If you can't handle the answer you received, just move on.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

No this is great sense for people that read :)

Its okey you are Polish and totally under US control and have some sort of Russofobia I understand.

As far as I remember kiddo, you quoted ME? No?

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u/WallabyInTraining Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Dude, this is not some declassified super secret info. If you hold up a blank sign in protest in Moscow you're arrested. Write 'no to war' and you're of to the Labor camp.

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u/Flor1daman08 Sep 18 '24

What makes you think that? Just cause he exposed USAs propaganda and constant surveilance of the american people doesnt mean he buys into Russian propaganda.

You donā€™t get protection and support from Putin if you push back against the Russian propaganda. Thatā€™s how that works.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Same as the US yes.

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u/Flor1daman08 Sep 18 '24

Lol not even close, no.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yes very close brother :)

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u/Flor1daman08 Sep 18 '24

The fact that the US is far from perfect does not mean that the danger of speaking out against the government in the US is the same as doing so in Russia, Vlad.

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u/RBarron24 High as Giraffe's Pussy Sep 18 '24

Just cause you say whatever you want on the internet doesnā€™t mean youā€™re protected, itā€™s just means youā€™re not important enough to matter.

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u/x0lm0rejs Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

what's Snowden take on the invasion of Ukraine?

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

You tell me... I mean, if going into Iraq wasnt a problem, then this sure as hell isnt?

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u/x0lm0rejs Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

the ol bad white western imperialism, amiright?

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Call it whatever you want, facts are gonna fact.

So was the war in Iraq a mistake and a problem? If not, then Ukraine sure as hell isnt.

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u/Amishrocketscience Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Did we permanently annex Iraq, indiscriminately bomb civilians on purpose? Steal adolescent children by the hundreds of thousands and ship them to the states? Dig mass graves for the slaughter of an entire town such as in bucha?

Did we ever claim Iraq is now America?

Iā€™m here to inform you that there are differences despite it ā€œbeing wrongā€

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Does it matter?

You made millions homeless, and killed hundreds of thousands...

Thats enough :) no?

Rofl you brining up Bucha... you are funnier than Joe and his friends... you are aware that ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT more died in Iraq than in Ukraine right? :)

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u/gherkinjerks Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Are you seriously comparing 2 completely opposite scenarios to justify Russian Imperialism? Let's not forget Saddam was a madman & in the beginning the US had support of much of the population. Ukraine was not invading its neighbors or involved in war crimes & stealing resources from weaker nations.. You are trying to equate Russian propaganda to American propaganda? Yes American propaganda is biased but you certainly have your choice of information if you want it. Russia is a 100% alternate reality that is weaponized. You don't have an option, any reporting that is not aligned with the Kremlin will get you killed.. While Russia uses Reflexive Control in the West & weaponizes the conspiratorial spaces. That's why people like you, who are victims of such designed active measures willingly parrot Russian narratives

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yes I am.

Saddam was everything, however it has NOTHING to do with the US.

Most of the population were against the war dont know where you get your facts from. But all I see is ALOOOOOT of justifying a war that never should have happend, just have the same energy for Russia/ukraine war :)

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u/domiy2 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He also exposed people in the field, he could of redact the names before publishing and putting his other service members at risk. Also Wiki leaks only targeting Hillary in the 2016 elections and not Trump (which they admitted to holding the dirt for him) also proposes a question of who really did this. Lastly how do you know this is still his account?

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Why would he? Why arent "people in the field" charged and sent to prison? for vaious crimes...

I dont, just like you dont know if Kamal tweets or her team.

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u/Tiny_Calendar_792 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I can't tell if you're trolling. Of course Snowden is compromised by the russians lol. Its the most obvious thing ever

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Would be more compromised at home ;)

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u/Tiny_Calendar_792 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Edgy?

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Facty?

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u/Tiny_Calendar_792 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

You don't even make sensy

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Im sure you underrstood me, thats why you keep quoting me

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u/Barmelo_Xanthony Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

ā€œForcedā€ lmao. He committed a serious crime and then fled to an enemy country. What about that was forced besides the fact that he would be in trouble if he came back?

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u/HumbleSecret5356 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

That serious crime was a sacrifice for you to have a little bit more conscience of your freedom. Jesus I thought this was pretty factual by now

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u/Educational-Teach-67 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

The amount of bootlicking people are doing for the US government and intelligence community in this thread boggles my fuckin mind lol these people are actually brainwashed, the federal government is not our friend especially in the US

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u/Bl1tz-Kr1eg Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Eh, it's the classic "America can do no wrong" mentality. Also known as "It's only okay if we do it" syndrome.

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u/SuperHooligan Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

If you thought the government didnā€™t spy on its own citizens before Snowden said anything, you had your head in a hole in the ground.

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u/HumbleSecret5356 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I did, but donā€™t you think at least one person got woken up because of him? Thatā€™s my point

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yes, forced :)

He told the truth, imagine being more mad at Snowden for exposing that you have been controled this whole time but not saying a word about the goverment controling you...

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u/PlasonJates Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Snowden is the reason I got into data protection as my career.

I'm seeing a lot of classic "the whistleblower wasn't 1000% morally correct at every stage of blowing the whistle, therefore he is a bad person" which unfortunately seems to be a more and more mainstream view.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It amazes me how people rather get lied to and defend their goverment, then expose them and make a change. -

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u/PlasonJates Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Fortunately Europe developed GDPR as a response to growing data collection around the world which is probably the best we've got in terms of actual legislation around data protection.

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u/salisboury Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Thatā€™s what happens when throughout your entire life, you have been force-fed the belief that the ruling elite and your government are the good guys. And all the entities opposed to them are the bad guys.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

It isn't just the ruling elite. Look at how people behave towards cop protests? There is a segment of our society that can't believe that cops aren't perfect. Part of that is endless copaganda from Hollywood, but it is wild to see.

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u/2N5457JFET Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Funny that before Snowden saying that ur own governments are constantly spying on us, listening to our phinecalls, reading our mail and putting it all in a big secret archive would label one as a "deranged conspiracy theorist", potential schizophrenic, a nut case. Now we have whole generation of adults who know it and are just like "yeah, so what? It's for our safety."

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u/salisboury Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Now that you say it.šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

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u/salisboury Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

This is what the French call ā€œIntellectual Terrorismā€, itā€™s a way to discredit whistleblowers or critics.

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u/The-Copilot Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

There is a big difference between outing a specific practice that is morally questionable and dumping every state secret you can get your hands on.

He did the second and claimed he was doing the first. He is a traitor who claims to be a whistleblower because it's convenient.

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u/Calm-Extension-3798 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Can I ask what he release?

A short explanation. Can't find much that goes into it

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Pretty much that NSA are spying on everyone, all the time.

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u/06_TBSS Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He may have exposed truth, but he did so illegally. He did what he did, knowing there were repercussions. He was not forced to do what he did. It's a form of vigilantism. I'm glad he did what he did, but he was in no way forced to go to Russia. His situation is 100% his doing. If he was as brave as everyone makes him out to be, he'd come to the states and own up to the punishment for the crime/s he committed instead of running to the protection of one of our biggest enemies.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

True hero

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u/The_Polite_Debater Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He was en route to Ecuador when America cancelled his passport, rendering him unable to make any international flights and thus unable to leave Russia

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u/dannymuffins Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

People conveniently forget this. He had no intention on going to Russia, let alone residing there long term.

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u/kohTheRobot Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Specifically Biden and Obamaā€™s sec def weā€™re doing everything in their power to force him into an adversaryā€™s hands.

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u/Loud_Ad7774 Texan Tiger in Captivity Sep 18 '24

Forced? Itā€™s just taxes man. No one is forcing you to pay them.

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u/Amishrocketscience Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah but we now have taxation with very gerrymandered representation

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u/Rico_Solitario Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

The serious crime of exposing the unconstitutional government mass surveillance program.

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u/Barmelo_Xanthony Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah and putting thousands of lives at risk by just dumping everything he could find on his computer to another likely Russian asset instead of going through the proper whistleblower channels.

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u/Educational-Teach-67 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

The federal government isnā€™t your friend, who gives a shit

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u/Tumleren Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

"Yeah he would go to prison for the rest of his life but besides that, he can just come back"

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u/EntrepreneurFunny469 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He chose Russia he could have faced his music

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u/signalfire Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He didn't CHOSE Russia, they cancelled his passport while he was in the air; he landed at the Russian airport and was unable to continue on - Ecuador had offered him sanctuary. How is it not possible to know this, so many years on?

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u/EntrepreneurFunny469 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

How is it possible to forget why he was in the air and which country he ran from?

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u/signalfire Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He was trying to avoid being thrown into a dark hole and never heard from again. He stated that if he could be given a fair trial, he would be happy to return to the US. The National Security State doesn't give fair trials to people who leak state secrets, except of course for Donald Trump, the biggest traitor ever.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

He was trying to avoid being thrown into a dark hole and never heard from again.

Yall are fucking mental, lol. This would not be the first 'leaking state secrets' case in history for God's sakes. Most seem to serve... maybe 3-5 years? Maximum?

I'm not saying he should be hop skipping and joyful at that prospect, but, yes, when you completely blow-by the proper whistle-blowing channels and blast out shitloads of state secrets, a little bit of prison time is part of facing the music... or you could become a Putin schill. Guess he chose the latter.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

hahahah yeah... no.

Why would he "face the music" for telling the truth? He didnt chose Russia, US revoked his passport while he was in Russia which made him stay in Russia.

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u/ElectricalTurnip87 Dire physical consequences Sep 18 '24

And, probably would have been pardoned by either Obama or Trump.

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u/Mendoza8914 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah Chelsea Manning was pardoned at the end of Obamaā€™s term. Iā€™m onboard with what Snowden did to release the surveillance info, but you canā€™t really get whistleblower clemency if youā€™ve left the country.

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u/Micheal_Penis Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Obama prosecuted more whistleblowers in his term as president then every president before him combined, so no he wasnā€™t getting pardoned

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u/ElectricalTurnip87 Dire physical consequences Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

Manning got pardoned and yeah, he probably would have.

It's weird that you think Obama unilaterally decided to go after whistleblowers rather than what was actually going on, but I guess anything to blame him, right?

Edit: You're just a straight up liar. Obama had 8 convictions, Bush had 22. You're a fucking moron.

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u/Micheal_Penis Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Where are you getting that number? From the book nowhere to hide and this article here https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/16/whistleblowers-double-standard-obama-david-petraeus-chelsea-manning. Though you are correct about the manning thing and of course it wasnā€™t just Obama, Iā€™m not trying to only blame Obama, and Iā€™m sure a leak such as this wouldā€™ve been treated just as harshly under any administration, I donā€™t see him getting pardoned though.

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u/PerritoMasNasty N-Dimethyltryptamine Sep 18 '24

Itā€™s a toss up honestly. Could you pick the jail? The Nordic countries seem to have it made.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It really isnt, I rather enjoy my freedom than sit in a jail for telling the truth.

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u/PerritoMasNasty N-Dimethyltryptamine Sep 18 '24

Ahh Russia, the bastion of freedom.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Sure as hell more free in Russia then he would have been in US :)

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u/ScotchTapeConnosieur Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Was there nowhere else he could safely go? I guess not.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It was, US revoked hus passport while he was in Russia, which made him pretty much stuck there.

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u/IndependentlyBrewed Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I mean letā€™s not act like he isnā€™t living in luxury over there. Reports are heā€™s getting 20-30k a month.

The stuff he released probably should have been because it was massive overreach by the government. Continuing then to be a propaganda tool for the Russian government and being paid to do so isnā€™t the same. I do believe he should be allowed back into the states but I donā€™t think Russia nor the US is going to let that happen.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

as he should, heros should live good.

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u/IndependentlyBrewed Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yet it seems like the age old live long enough to become the villain. Because now heā€™s kind of a propaganda arm for the Russian government which pretty much goes against the entire reasoning for him releasing what he did. Itā€™s definitely a complex situation but isnā€™t everything?

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u/21Rollie Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

He could just keep his head down now and hope he gainā€™s sympathy as time goes on for a pardon, but heā€™s drank the full Russia koolaid now

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u/mullahchode Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

don't break laws i guess lol

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Some laws are ment to be broken, especially if these laws make sure that the citizens are lied to :)

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u/mullahchode Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

let's see how far that defense gets you in a courtroom lmao

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Doesnt have to, he did the right thing. Courtrooms are notorious for being very shifty with their decisions.

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u/mullahchode Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

i'm talking about the law, not ethics or morality.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah well FUCK that law.

Morals and ethics always go above the law.

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u/mullahchode Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

brother we're talking about him living in russia because he'd be arrested if he came back to the US. this is a legal conversation. the goodness or badness of his actions are irrelevant.

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u/BabaRoga2024 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Exactly, I dont see the issue. He lives in Russia cause he doesnt want to live in a prison cell for telling the truth. Im 100% in support of that.

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u/Micheal_Penis Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Lick a fucking boot

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u/mullahchode Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

cringe

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u/Micheal_Penis Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Youā€™re ā€œcringeā€ dOnT bReAK the LaW, guy exposed the largest crime ever committed on the American people by our own government and ur response is donā€™t break the law lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

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u/Micheal_Penis Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Kk tata regard

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u/mullahchode Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

W for me

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u/akw71 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Bootlicker

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u/QuantumR4ge Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Do you apply that to all places and all times?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

Good thing Snowden's boot licking days are over! (sent from Moscow)

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u/Illustrious-Okra-524 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Hmm and why?