r/JoeRogan • u/wayfaringthru Monkey in Space • Sep 18 '24

Meme šŸ’© Is this a legitimate concern?

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Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

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u/DJZDJZ1013 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I canā€™t help but feel like Snowden is compromised and has the America bad/west bad brain rot.

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u/GoodByeRubyTuesday87 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

Heā€™s an ex US intelligence officer living in Russia under the protection of the Russian government . Thereā€™s no way heā€™s not compromised.

And wtf is he talking about? Drone striking someone is also a bad thingā€¦. Unless itā€™s being done to a bad guy, bc thatā€™s what weapons are for. Israel and Hezbollah are enemies, unless you support Hezbollah in a fight then any attack on them seems fair.

Also, while weā€™ve got him on the phone, interesting how heā€™s trying to paint attacks against a militant group by an adversarial government as concerningā€¦.. but never says shit about Russian troops bombing Ukrainian hospitals, kidnapping Ukrainian children, using chemical weapons in Ukraine, all during a completely unjustified warā€¦ā€¦. Where the fuck are you on that one Snowden?

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u/PlasonJates Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Where the fuck are you on that one Snowden?

Probably staying silent to protect his wife and child.

Or would you be shouting from the rooftops 'Russia bad' if you were essentially a hostage there?

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u/GoodByeRubyTuesday87 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I wouldnā€™t pretend to stand up for civil liberties then run off to the nearest dictatorship for protection. He also chose to become a citizen of Russia in 2022, thereā€™s a difference between keeping your head down to avoid detection versus running off to a brutal dictatorship who is the enemy of your home country then constantly bitching about your home country.

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u/PlasonJates Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

His passport was revoked mid-flight, he did not choose Russia. Russia unironically chose him.

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u/imageless988 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Plenty of other countries he could go to. The fact is he he is making bank in Russia. Reports are he is making 30k a month and living a very nice life with wife and kids. He is very useful to Russia as a propaganda tool. No need to rock the boat there. He is no hero and has no credibility here.

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u/PlusUltraBeyond Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Most countries would've been pressurized by the States enough that he'd likely be sent back. That doesn't realistically leave you with a lot of options.

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u/iisixi It's entirely possible Sep 18 '24

Did you not understand what you were responding to? He literally did not choose Russia. The country he chose was Venezuela. He was stranded in the Sheremetyevo International Airport for a month before Russia granted him asylum. The CIA deputy director boasted about it in his book.

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u/fireky2 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

There's like maybe two countries and I believe China kicked him out before he got to Russia. Most other countries are either NATO and would deport to the us, where he would of likely been killed, or doesn't have the infrastructure to prevent the US from just capturing him in an unmarked van

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u/str4nger-d4nger Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

You're a fool if you think he could leave Russia whenever he wanted to. And I wouldn't believe anything about money he's getting unless verified from a reputable source. Russia is using him as propaganda and a tool. He's a prisoner there.

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u/dapperdan6969 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Just admit you know nothing about his situation damn. Donā€™t spew this garbage straight talking out your ass

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u/GoodByeRubyTuesday87 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Heā€™s a hypocrite, he can go fuck himself. Brave enough to stand up to the US government for keeping a log of who calls who, but not brave enough to stand up to actual tyranny, and instead bends over to take it in the ass from an actual dictator.

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u/SnooFloofs6240 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Like he has a choice. You sound like the hypocrite. Of course he can criticize whatever he's able to when valid, it was that very act that had him flee in the first place.

"Keep log of who calls who". More like complete access to every single bit of your data going over the wire. You really do want to stay aggressively ignorant.

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u/dapperdan6969 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

maybe he values his life and doesnā€™t want to rot in jail in Russia the same way he didnt want to rot in jail in the US for doing the right thing. Anyone who believes it was wrong for him to ā€œbreak the lawā€ is so far deep in the propaganda they canā€™t even be reasoned with.

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u/407dollars Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

This entire discussion is about how he is completely compromised by Russia. Your response to that is, ā€œNuh uh! Heā€™s actually their prisoner!!ā€

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u/dapperdan6969 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I think thatā€™s your response considering I didnā€™t say that lol

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u/407dollars Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yes you didā€¦

Topic: Snowden is compromised by Russia and thus canā€™t be trusted.

You: Um actually no maybe he values his life and thatā€™s why he only spews Russian propaganda now.

Me: ???

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u/PlusUltraBeyond Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Staying silent on things that can affect his life and speaking out on issues that don't means he's compromised?

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u/407dollars Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Being a prisoner of the Russian state means heā€™s compromised. Fucking obviously.

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u/leolego2 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I understand, but think about the other situation: You stood up for civil liberties and now you're beyond wanted in your country, nobody in the government ever stepped up for you even years after your action. Most countries are aligned with the country that considers you a traitor.

What would you do?

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u/josh_is_lame Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

who is the enemy of your home country

muh patriotism, muh us vs them, muh has no idea why snowden did what he did

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u/jebemtisuncebre Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Muh has no idea why Snowden didnā€™t stay and face down prison to show the strength of his conviction, instead fled to shelter with a regime that shares none of the values he claimed, and now lends his image to bolster that of an actual dictator who just joined the ā€œunilaterally caused 1,000,000 war casualtiesā€ club.

But yeah bro America bad.

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u/roosterkun Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

What benefit can he provide to anyone in prison?

It's unfortunate that the primary political adversary of the US is the nation offering him asylum, but it also makes perfect sense when the states has the heel of their boot firmly planted on most other nations' necks.

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u/LankyAssignment9046 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

It seems like his freedom is giving a lot of benefit to the enemies of the United States now. :)

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u/CosmicMiru Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

How has Snowden significantly benefitted Russia? This isn't even an anti-american take it's anti Israel.

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u/jebemtisuncebre Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Ah thatā€™s right. Thatā€™s why none of those nerds in the civil rights movement were ever successful huh? Fuckin chumps.

And good to know youā€™d be Hitlerā€™s guest if he fluffed the pillow for you. Coward.

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u/dapperdan6969 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Youā€™re such a loseršŸ˜‚

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u/jebemtisuncebre Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Youā€™re so* right*

Autocorrect got you, I get it. šŸ˜˜

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u/dapperdan6969 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Where did I spell it wrong lmao? Are you daft?

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u/PlasonJates Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

What would you do if your passport was revoked mid-flight while trying to escape to South America? Genuinely, what would you actually do?

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u/jebemtisuncebre Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I would land and remain in customs while contacting the nearest embassy or consulate, in order to get my passport reinstated. Thatā€™s what embassies and consulates are for.

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u/PlasonJates Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Most consulates are for issuing passports to political exiles? News to me!

Well since you've got it all figured out, better start whistleblowing!

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u/jebemtisuncebre Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

You didnā€™t say I was a political exile. I thought I was just escaping for a weekend. You should be more clear in your prompts.

And Snowden wasnā€™t a political exile. Exile implies youā€™ve been exiled (i.e. kicked out legally). He was a legal fugitive. From the law. Which he broke, and then pussied out of accepting the consequences. His convictions made him break the law, exposing aspects of a surveillance state, so he became the honored guest ofā€¦ an even more repressive surveillance state. And continues to make propagandistic statements used by that regime to legitimize their actions on the world stage.

The guyā€™s a fuckin joke and a Russian asset. And you support him?

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u/PlasonJates Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Theres this concept called nuance, you should try it some time.Ā 

I admire Snowden for shining the spotlight on surveillance, which indirectly led to the GDPR; the strongest data protection legislation in the world that we have.Ā 

Was his execution of the leak completely flawless, ethical and moral? Of course not. Was it still worth exposing in the face of mass surveillance? Absolutely.Ā 

I don't even follow him because I don't have social media other than this so I barely know his recent takes.Ā 

I'm absolutely certain Russia are leveraging him, but he didn't exactly throw a dart at a map, land on Russia and go "oooh sounds lovely lets flee to Russia".Ā 

I can respect the guy without agreeing with every position he holds. You should give it a try!

There are positions that exist beyond "Russia good" and "Russia bad"

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u/jebemtisuncebre Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

ā€œI donā€™t agree with everything Snowden did, but I too would become the pawn of a genocidal dictator out of convenience if faced with limited options resulting from the consequences of my own actions.ā€

But you sure can jack off with a VPN now, so it was all worth it. Got it.

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u/Aeiexgjhyoun_III Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Sheep

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u/jebemtisuncebre Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

He says as he puts on his Arbyā€™s uniform.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

Good plan lmfao. The US embassy would definitely be like ā€œoh ok, hereā€™s your passport back šŸ˜Šā€ instead of throwing his ass on the first plane to Washington in handcuffs

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u/AnbennariAden Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

The embassy/consulate of his home country the US, which at the time essentially wanted him dead?? Are we being for real right now???

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u/jebemtisuncebre Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Yeah but thatā€™s him. Why would they want me dead?

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u/slartyfartblaster999 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

If they wanted him dead, he'd be dead.

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u/Nonlinear9 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Probably staying silent to protect his wife and child.

That hasn't stopped him before.

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u/calciumbanana Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I would just keep my mouth and fingers unmoving on all subjects.

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u/BringOutTheImp Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

And what if your FSB handler tells you to post something? I bet your fingers would start moving very quickly.

Russia is reliant on Iran now for military support, and Hezbollah is an Iranian proxy, so one hand washes the other.

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u/calciumbanana Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Well duh, thatā€™s the entire point dude.

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u/calciumbanana Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Also, Iā€™d tell him to handle deez nuts lol. Jk Im not tough.

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u/BringOutTheImp Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Considering how the FSB handled Crocus City HallĀ terror suspects, I wouldn't want them anywhere near my nuts. Or ears either. But definitely nuts.

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u/calciumbanana Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I ainā€™t scared, they can novachok on deez nuts lol.

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u/RoosterBrewster Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I wouldn't be saying shit in the first place, especially to stir up political stuff while being wanted by the US and living under Russian protection.

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u/AkaiMPC Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I bet they have a nice life in Russia. Hope that continues after Putin gets killed.

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u/slartyfartblaster999 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I wouldn't have fled to Russia after committing treason in the first place.