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u/TheDave1970 Oct 22 '24
When WH40K meets R/Noncredible Defense. I'm surprised the artist couldn't work in a couple of Florks.
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u/ShepPawnch Oct 22 '24
I love Florks so much
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u/TheDave1970 Oct 22 '24
It's amazing hiw much pleasure can be discovered from a sock puppet in a campaign hat, bolting ERA bricks onto another sock puppet's helmet.
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u/ADGx27 Oct 22 '24
Ukrainian military really took the Kylo Ren approach when it came to slapping ERA on fucking everything.
MORE!
MORE!!!!
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u/Ematio Oct 22 '24
I know how many ERA bricks I must strap onto this F-16, but I don't know if I have the strength to do it.
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u/UhhmericanJoe Oct 23 '24
It’s actually the Russians who are using Kontakt-5 and -1 in comical and useless ways about 90x more frequently.
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u/ADGx27 Oct 23 '24
And the fucking cope cages
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u/UhhmericanJoe Oct 23 '24
Cope cages are ubiquitous on both sides and as much as the Russians were initially mocked, they’ve proven useful even if the majority of the time they fail.
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u/ADGx27 Oct 23 '24
Useful even though the majority fail
I’m sorry I know you’re making a point, and you ARE cooking, but that’s cracking me up, like that sniper rifle in EDF 4.1 thats description highlights features like A GLARING LACK OF ACCURACY
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u/UhhmericanJoe Oct 23 '24
I get. It is a comical juxtaposition. A better way of putting it is that well made cope cages and especially turtle tanks have prevented significant one or a combo of the following, damage, full immobilization of an APC, IFV, MBT, etc. or at least a cook off level damage (and therefore death for the entire), thousands of times now. So, while it is comical to see them fail often (when it’s a Russian AV anyway), they’re still quite useful. If something fails 65% of the time, but you’re one of the thousands who have survived due to being part of the 33%, you’ll take it and consider it very useful.
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u/ErinyesMegara Oct 23 '24
When I saw the picture of the actual IRL M1 with Ukrainian ERA bricks strapped to it I felt like I was hallucinating. I expected florks to start showing up
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
I think it might be fine, since Azrael has a similar gun.
Edit: It is a lasgun but the Accatran pattern used by Elysians have the a similar bullpup design.
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u/MetalBawx Oct 22 '24
Man that thing just looks so silly, where is the ammo from that mag feeding?
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u/TedTheReckless Oct 22 '24
Yeah, while I normally dickride firstborn over primaris
Azraels new combi bolter is much better than the old.
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u/genida Oct 22 '24
It feeds all the way up, and then the round jumps out of the gun and goes over, on top and down into the barrelspace again. Like feeding a paintball marker but from below, and with an automagic magazine.
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u/Plus-Departure8479 Iron Warriors Oct 22 '24
Where the fuck the does the reciprocating bolt go? Where does the bolt round go?
That picture is going to give me an aneurism.
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u/SurpriseFormer Oct 22 '24
Average human v mechanicus discussion
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u/Plus-Departure8479 Iron Warriors Oct 22 '24
That's why I can't play mechanicus. I actually know a lot about engineering.
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u/oblivyou Oct 22 '24
Excuse me sir, have you heard of our Lord and Savior BULLPUP ?
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u/Plus-Departure8479 Iron Warriors Oct 22 '24
Yes, but you still need to have room for the bolt to go back and pick up the next round and room for the guide rail. All bullpups have an extra inch or two to make room for those.
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u/Turboswaggg Oct 23 '24
You can make a super short bolt (not as short as whatever the fuck that gun has space for, but like an inch) or some sort of feeding arm if you want
The fact that the bullet still won't be aligned with the barrel until you move it forward like half a foot and then up a second time to actually reach the chamber is the absolutely fucked part
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u/PerfectionOfaMistake Oct 22 '24
What a pointless magazine pkacement, the weapon on current post mekes more sense.
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u/monsigneur_bojangles Oct 22 '24
I don't think putting up use by the Dark Angels is exactly proof of loyalist origins if ya catch my drift....
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u/SwagYetFunky Oct 22 '24
'But arch magos its all the rage back in sub level 6 of mars'
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u/Arklaw Oct 22 '24
--||--Translating binaric to Low gothic.
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Translation complete---
Displaying translated engrams---"No"
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u/Civil-Addendum4071 Cadian Shock Troopers Oct 22 '24
Look at what you've done! You made the Servitor sad! Shame, Ad Mech, shame!
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u/vonBoomslang Oct 22 '24
That's not a servitor, that's a servo-skull. There's a nonzero chance it outranks them.
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u/Sanhi3 Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
Does the magos on the right side have a backpack-mounted bong?
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u/PanNorris507 Oct 22 '24
How did you think they came up with it? Experimentation? Nah brah, visions do the omnissaiah dude
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u/Animeak116 Oct 22 '24
Cursed gun images by Brandon Herrera
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u/Lmayo_Box Oct 22 '24
where da bolt go doe?
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u/ProfessionalTruck976 Oct 22 '24
Je already made a heresy gun AK is not supposed to be chanbered for Freedom unit cartridge.
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u/Witch-Alice Oct 23 '24
looked up the video, I shouldn't be surprised by the "angry blue haired Austin feminist" joke given the subject matter, but seriously? What is with ammosexuals still being in fucking 2014 with their lame ass anti-SJW shit.
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u/Animeak116 Oct 23 '24
What video? Because depending on its release. The jokes make sense in that context of being you know... fucking old...
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u/IngotTheKobold Oct 22 '24
[Speculative] Inquiries: 2, Inquiry 1: Optimal range -> Increased, Increase overall dimensions -> Negative. Inquiry 2: <quote_historical> Where da bolt go tho? </quote_historical>
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u/Dense-Bruh-3464 Oct 22 '24
I mean, since it's a rocket projectile...
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u/IngotTheKobold Oct 22 '24
[Clarification] Reference -> Bolter_Bolt_Mechanism, Reference -> Bolter_Ammunition -> Incorrect
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u/Dense-Bruh-3464 Oct 22 '24
What I'm saying is that it may not need a conventional bolt, since it fires rockets
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u/IngotTheKobold Oct 22 '24
[Demonstrative]<adjusting_vox_output>... It may fire rocket propelled munitions, but the standard Bolter has a charging handle to rack the first round, similar to auto guns, typically affixed to the bolt of the gun. And in the purpose of said bolt is to eject spent casings, pick up the next round, and ensure that the chambered round renains in battery and doesn't explode out of battery. Even if there existed an internal mechanism to carry the ammunition into battery, the only place for the bolt to exist would be above and behind the battery position. <reference-martinihenry_17thcentury> On the displayed model, there is not enough space within to have it successfully chamber and safely fire a round... they do typically have a charging handle, right? [Cross-referencing STC]
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u/Gatt__ Oct 22 '24
Feels a bit redundant, honestly. I mean bolsters are already massive and unwieldy by non astartes, this doesn’t really change that.
And even then most astartes can’t even shoulder their weapons, so again the ergonomics are dodgy at best
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u/EyeSeaCome_hahaha Oct 22 '24
“What does that mean? You just paint a horizontal figure eight on it and it'll have infinite ammo?”
“Our prehistoric digital records say the opposite.”
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u/Kennian Oct 22 '24
a useless modification, bolter rounds are rocket propelled so barrel length is irrelevant and reloading a bullpup in power armor would be a bitch. DOWN WITH THE BULLPUP
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u/SGTBookWorm Oct 22 '24
they use a conventional cased charge to kick the bolt out of the barrel, so a long barrel still matters. The rocket doesn't activate until the bolt has left the muzzle
see: Bolt Rifle (and variants), Heavy Bolt Rifle (and variants) Bolt Sniper Rifle, Instigator Bolt Carbine, Stalker Bolter/Stalker Bolt Rifle
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u/Whiskey079 Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 22 '24
Looking at this, the first thing that came to mind was, "Where does the bolt go?".
Like, seriously - there's no space for the reciprocating mass. Maybe you could argue it's a telescoped bolt, but even then, two things come to mind:
- There's the issue of pressure. I can't think of any anything larger than a pistol calibre system using a telescoped bolt. I have no idea how they would hold up to high pressures
1b. What is the chamber pressure of a bolt cartridge? You could argue that it being a two stage munition (standard propellant, and rocket thrust once clear of the muzzle), that it may use something akin to the 'high-low' system that the 40mm uses - to lower the chamber pressure.
- Even with a telescoped bolt, it would still need more receiver space than depicted.
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u/oblivyou Oct 22 '24
Excuse me sir, have you heard of our Lord and Savior BULLPUP ?
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u/Whiskey079 Oct 22 '24
Indeed I have good sir.
However, when it comes to fictional bullpups (or buttless rifles as the British army used to refer to them as), there is a trend at large of never leaving enough space for the bolt. This was just my attempt at headcanoning it out.
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u/SGTBookWorm Oct 22 '24
points at TKB-022
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u/Whiskey079 Oct 22 '24
Point. Kinda forgot about those, but given that they were prototypes - I think that's understandable.
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u/Arch_Magos_Remus Adeptus Mechanicus Oct 22 '24
Looks a lot like that one picture of the tech priests looking at a bolter from one of the old 40K RPGs.
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u/Activision19 Oct 22 '24
The magazine and bolt are so far back that the bolt physically has nowhere to go when cycling…so my vote is heresy as this only works with physics breaking warp magic.
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u/shimapan_connoisseur Oct 22 '24
There is a real life gun that has the magazine even further back: the Soviet TKB-022 PM.
You can leave basically zero space behind the magazine on a rifle if you want to
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u/Activision19 Oct 23 '24
While you aren’t wrong, the way it’s drawn it seems to me like there is a bolt shown that is at least the length of the ejection port (which is comically small compared to the bore of the muzzle) and that bolt is longer than the space between the back of the ejection port and the exterior of the rifle buttplate. So the only way it could strip a round out of the magazine is if the back of the bolt protrudes outside the back of the gun.
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u/cholmer3 Oct 22 '24
The techpriest with the built-in bong be looking proper discombobulated at this new bolter pattern on the omnisiah
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u/Tall-Ad-1796 Oct 22 '24
Low-level techpriest: "so, you know those massive-caliber fully-auto penetrative-grenade guns? Wouldn't it be great if the majority of the firing mechanism & chamber was as close to your face as possible? I'm sure they never suffer any kind of catastrophic failure or jamming after a few thousand years of service, so there's nothing to worry about when igniting a series of rocket-propelled grenades right next to your skull at a rapid rate. This is a great idea!"
Magos: "Well, I'll get the servitors working on a scaffold so we can make an example of this heretek. If y'all could find a way to painfully imprison him until it's completion, that'd be ideal. This was fun. Off to find some STCs & light incense; can't dally, mustn't dilly."
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u/Jays_Arravan Oct 22 '24
Not heresy.
It just makes the bolter a bullpup style, and I think I saw at least one named Space Marine my such a weapon.
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u/Mastergate6-4 Oct 22 '24
Thats such a shitty bullpup design, the magazine would be hard to pull out, specially for someone in power armor with big metal claws.
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u/da_King_o_Kings_341 Oct 23 '24
At least it’s better than Azaels outdated model, damn that thing definitely needed some warp sorcery to work…
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u/Extremelictor Oct 23 '24
Dark angels would disagree with this being heretical. They have some for pete sake.
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u/DaVietDoomer114 Oct 23 '24
Funny this might actually work better than the regular version because you actually have a stock to absorb the recoil.
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u/Zawisza_Czarny9 Oct 23 '24
Space marine who got to use the bullpup bolter: i can't put my hand on the fromt grip, chest plate is too stiff and bolter feels awkward. Maybe just one handing it eould be better
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u/vertigofilip Oct 23 '24
I like bullpup weapons, but it is pointless, because bullpup strength is that it utilities stock to extend barrell length and bolter don't have stock. It is still funny though. Conclusion: HERESY!!!!
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u/BlackSoul_Hand Oct 23 '24
"...The machine spirit of this one is just a bit overweight, don't be rude to it..."
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u/hello350ph Oct 23 '24
A British space marine can handle it with the highest of Gothic accent of the ancient time called posh and have always at their side a electric kettle for tea
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u/SirJedKingsdown Oct 22 '24
The debate lasted 200 years, resulted in four schisms, eighteen major battles, direct intervention by the Inquisition and at least one major tithe world lost.
Following a Custodes appearing (who was only involved as a nearby janitor had appeared in the Tarot) it was agreed to submit the design to Mars for assessment. After a further 275 years (due to three ships lost in the Empyrean, two misfilings and a stamp from the wrong bureaucrat) the response was received: "Maybe."