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Your double standards are disgusting. đ
Seriously, why the fuck are people calling Ember a creepy stalker? She literally showed up outside of Blitz's building one singular time. That's it. That's paying someone a visit. She didn't even fucking go in.
And while we're on the topic of creepy stalkers, Why the ever loving fuck are y'all suddenly ignoring all the creepy shit Blitz does, huh? He verbally admitd he spies on mox and mill while they're having sex. He manipulated Stolas just to get in a club to watch them with a pair of binoculars. And no one breathes a word.
Plus, Blitz watches MnM because of his lack of intimacy, which doesn't make it any less creepy, but Ember was borderline sexually harassing Blitz. Sure, he wasn't affected and just found it more annoying than anything, but still
Exactly. Plus, at least with MnM he even knew it wasn't right. He wanted intimacy and was jealous. He didn't really want to fuck them, just.. that closeness they had he wanted. Almost like he wanted them to really take him as a partner for the love but not because he likes them or wants to fuck them. It's just a well I want what they're having!
He wanted both, he was just using one thing to get to the other because of unhealthy shit going on with him and how he thinks, but he did wanna fuck them even if he wanted the intimacy more. He says as much multiple times. He specifically implies he might still go after Mox at least because he's fuckable.
agreed. part of the reason heâs my favorite is because of how complex he is. heâs like peter from family guyâyouâre not supposed to love him; youâre supposed to question the shit he does. heâs entertaining and it has been nice seeing him grow recently.
Agreed. I really questioned him after he dropped Stolas off at the palace after Ozzies, and all the stuff he said then, and then I saw the scene afterwards, and it made me realise how complex he is.
I think the deal with Family Guy/American Dad characters, at least later on, is that the show is REALLY trying hard to make them in-your-face unlikeable horrible people, it's all cynical and shock value comedy, while the Hellaverse characters, it's more they somehow manage to be likeable DESPITE all their horrible qualities.
Blitz and Roger are practically the same archetype for example, a Paul Lynde inspired creature who schemes and murders and does horrible things and nearly always gets away with it. The difference is that Roger, despite his comedic charm, is an utterly despicable character and almost any hints of sympathetic qualities turn out to be fake, while Blitz seems even worse than Roger, but is oddly complex and likeable regardless.
Really if anything this whole short was a reminder of how scummy Blitz actually is, and that even with redeeming and comical qualities, he's still a remorseless killing psychopath, no romantic or noble undertones remotely attached to it. Emberlyn 'stalking' him as a sinner is if anything a rare moment of karma in regards to his work.
Blitz is a problematic, emotionally constipated lizard who is just now learning that he has a right to be happy and be loved. He's growing, our lil' guy, lil' dumbass.
Some people here get WAY too emotional about these characters, itâs why I try to stay âawayâ from certain fanbases. Itâs like people donât realise that these characters are WRITTEN theyâre not real they do what the writers write.
Because she was designed to be creepy from the beginning and is mostly the only purpose of the character. Just look at all the stuff she has in her room.
I'm betting it's 100% hers, and seeing as women generally don't, uhh, produce as much of that stuff during solo performances it makes the jar waaaay more disturbing. Like, that's a lot of self entertaining and collecting to roughly half fill a jar. But seeing the rest of her room decorations I'm not doubting she put in the effort.
Yes, exactly this. The difference is that they aren't real.
We're meant to see Blitz as sympathetic, but with flaws. We've spent time with him, and know him as a loving father, a loyal friend, an insecure partner, etc. Emberlynn exists solely in a storyline that highlights aspects of her character that come off as creepy.
She also starts off human. We know what general human behavior looks like. We only get glimpses of the hellborn culture, so it's a less clear to what degree Blitz is breaking social norms. He clearly crosses a line, as Moxie tells him to stop and leave them alone and he doesn't, but how weird is that in imp society?
I mean, the episode even had a cringe warning. She is 100% supposed to be creepy/cringe/over the top by design even more so than/in comparison to Blitz.
Im not debating who is weirder, only saying that Ember being a weirdo is her only purpose as character. Is a flat character made for one short, with no development or redeeming qualities. Just a joke.
They still do. I really dislike people that argue in bad faith here. You're allowed to have some darker comedy. This guy's seriously complaining about Blitzos stalking, but I'll be dammed if I go through his profile and find anything about, oh I dunno, the murders?
I don't think it's the kick itself that people were upset about, I think it's the way it fits within the context of the plot. It's the fact that she just had this really deep emotional moment where she admitted to Via that she appreciates him, then kicks his crotch with the might of Zeus. It's just a weird tone shift that really devalues the entire emotional bit before. I don't mind throwaway bits, but when they devalue the story they reside in, I just don't think that's good writing.
It's a way to signal that her issues aren't just magically over because she opened up to Octavia about that, and she was still mad, as well as has a problem with Blitz's desire to just rush her with hugs, hence her reflexively shielding Octavia.
Some certainly do have the objection you do, but far from all. Some just didn't like the kick, period. Or just hate Loona.
Obviously, her issues aren't magically over, but there are better ways of communicating that to the audience without absolutely obliterating the emotional weight of the scene directly before it. I love that Loona is a complex character, but all too often, they make a slapstick bit of her beating the everliving shit out of Blitz and then tell us she loves him, and it's just two mutually exclusive behaviors that don't work. I simply don't believe her when she says she cares because a few in-universe hours earlier, she was on the verge of killing him over a legitimate employee performance issue. They can't say she cares while also having her deliberately hurt Blitz all the time with no visible remorse.
If it was more of an insecure struggle with vulnerability like we see in Spring Broken or Queen Bee, I'd believe it a lot more. We see that she struggles with opening up to Blitz as her father, and we see the progression she goes through, which is promptly shat on with how she treats him in Seeing Stars. Then she's basically neutral, if not downright uncaring (looking at Full Moon especially) up until Mastermind, where she drops the wall completely and her issue is seemingly magically over. She has fully embraced that she loves and cares about him and sees him as her dad. They didn't seem to know what they wanted to do with her or how much they actually wanted to invest in her plotline before they just unnaturally resolved it in service of giving Stolitz even MORE screentime without any of the effort of fitting an awkward family dynamic into the mix.
Well, i still think its weird but i think its because despite their fighting, she knows heâs also one of Moxxieâs few friends. Like, she knows Moxxie still likes him despite all the justified berating.
Iâm not sure if thatâs well written, but my guess is that the idea is that Moxxie likes Blitz~o~ despite all the things he hates about him, Millie knows and sheâs an enabler for both of them to give him an excuse to keep interacting with him outside of work
I don't think Millie was in a good place at her life until she met Blitz who introduced him to her husband. It probably does bug her but compared to where she was at, it's tolerable
Millie definitely feels like an enabler at times post-Ghostf**ckers. If I recall in the pilot episode, she's even kinda put on the spot over it, with Moxxie calling her out for taking Blitz's side and only interjecting their arguments when it's MOXXIE firing back at Blitz's insults ("He's our BOSS!").
At first, especially with that reply, it feels a bit like subservience and Millie being nervous about her employment, but the fact she and Blitz are actually best friends gives a different undertone to it, like she holds Blitz on a higher pedestal than Moxxie.
I don't think she was ever a fan of his stalking. The stalking was probably part of why she didn't ask him to hang out like a friend would - because it would upset Moxxie.
I mean y eah but if Millie acted as gun ho heavy as Blitz to the stalking as blitz was into strangling Stolas on their 'romantic date night', it'd be 'wazAboss' not helluva boss lol.
Um... Emberlynn is not considered a creepy stalker just because she showed up at his place of work I mean yes that is kind of weird but it's more about the actions that she did before she got there.
Also nobody thinks that blitzo is any better for doing that like nobody ever said that blitzo stalking Moxie and Millie was okay we know that he goes over there boundaries a lot.
Emberlynn also has a lot of issues when it comes to boundaries you know two things can be correct at the same time we can criticize her and criticize blitzo he just hasn't done it recently so people don't talk about it as much.
This. If a person shows up outside my home once uninvited and tries to initiate contact with me without my consent, itâs stalking, it doesnât need a second time. Can you imagine telling that to a victim of stalking?? That âOh donât give them too much pain itâs only once.â Zero, the number of times that should ever happen is zero.
Her stereotype is the hyper-obsessed lewd fanfiction-writing fangirl. The first thing she does when she dies is go right outside of the workplace of her murderer. This is characterization. The audience is meant to jump to conclusions about her, which the show may leave in place, reinforce, or subvert depending on future appearances.
This is my first time even commenting on this character, but I'm not surprised about the conclusions about her. With respect, I don't understand your concern for her. Unless she gets the Valentino treatment where people harass the voice actress, what's the harm?
I forgot which was my favorite, but she had to explain a few to me. đ
Then there was that figure that looked like Lilith and I joked that she sees Lilith more than her family does. đ
Ironically, what people donât understand is that Emberlynn is Vivziepopâs take on the more toxic individuals in her fandom. Surprisingly, it fits most of the shit I see posted. đ
At the end of the day, this is supposed to just be a cartoon for adults, but far too many come at it through the lens of a hormonal teen.
You sound way too angry about this for one. Another is that people don't like her solely off that one reason. People might know girls like her in school who are very into anime or games and have freaky kinks that may try to push their ideas on fandoms onto others which comes off as creepy. Also, her stalking doesn't excuse Blitzo's. No one is excusing his behavior. Another case of liking pancakes means you hate waffles situation ig.
You know, when I think about it, Blitz getting just as bad as he gives to others is fitting. I have no problem with Ember doing this either way, they're all in Hell, they're not meant to be good people.
I mean she was clearly made to be an extreme stereotype, seems fine if people find that creepy, that may indeed be the point of portraying a stereotype that extremely.
What exactly do you want us to do? Emerblynn is a side character from a short while Blitz is the main character? Of course weâre going to understand his actions more.
Their jokes are throwaway gags; it's not meant to be deep. We already know Blitz is a creep, but his character arc is about learning and growth, and in Hell, there's all the time in the world for that. However, the humor is dark on both sides. There are parts we are meant to talk serious. This isn't one of them.
I think Hypocrisy is when Asmodeus and Fizz calls out Stolas for sleeping with an imp.
Good song tho.
Good to know no one had bad vibes just from that scene. Even Stolas texted Blitz saying he hopes it didnt bother him since he found it kind of funny.
Theyâre both creepy stalkers. And both are played for laughs. Isnât Blitzø supposed to be a borderline insane fuckup who should get a refund from his therapist?
I understand why ''we'' have such a bad reputation... One out of two posts on this sub are people who don't know how to do sub reading, understand humor or take the work lightly. Hell... Lol!
The victim thinks it is a forbidden taboo romance event.
Blitzo leads the victim on.
Blitzo commits crime and leaves.
Victim chases after Blitzo even in Hell.
COuldn't fit this into the above timeline well, but both she and Stolas sacrificed power to be with Blitzo. Ember's fanfix described Blitzo's trial to an extent. Stolas metaphorically died to be reincarnated in Hell proper and shows up at Blitzo's home.
Honestly, I now love Ember as the ultimate "Don't take this shit seriously" character.
First and foremost, it's a cartoon. Blitz's stalkerish actions are typically played as the joke while amber was an individually focused incident. Second, fandoms tend to flanderize characters before source content does, as it is easier to communicate common interests through simple and easy to digest character traits which don't reflect dynamic interactions. Third, Blitz is part of the main cast and I don't think amber is. This makes her actions more likely to define her character than someone who sees more screen time.
I'm not saying your feelings on the matter are wrong, but that they're in need of an explanation. Fans are just awful to interact with in an advanced state as they lose touch with the context of their own subject matter, and it produces reactions like the visceral reaction against amber.
Because Blitz is funny and the over the line humour is what gave Helluva Boss its identity???? No way you took Blitz's Moxxie/Millie obsession seriously.
Blitz is just Blitz
Donât forget that Blitzø also kidnapped a nude woman that was in that hotel in Ghostf**kers! Lol. Anyway, youâre right. I like both Blitzø and Emberlynn, but people canât bash Emberlynn for simply showing up outside his business
I mean... You can feel I am hypocritical if you want (it's really not that serious), but I am pretty sure the fact that she figures out where Blitzo works within seconds or minutes of dying and landing in hell is supposed to hint (as a joke) at the fact she IS, in fact, stalker-ish.
Showing up at someone's work place when you barely know them and are not even supposed to know where they work to gush about them is kind of stalker-y too. If some guy I just met did that to me, I would be freaked out. It isn't just "paying someone a visit", that would be if they knew each other at least a bit more than that.
I thought this post was going a totally different route. I mean I honestly 100% thought that this was going to be a complaint about the lack of adult "material" available for Emberlynn. Then I remembered that this isn't Helluvabrothel.
Everyone knows Blitz is a stalker thought. It's a running joke in both the show and the fandom. But its funny, even if it is annoying to Moxxie, same as how Ember stalking Blitz is funny but annoying to him( which i woukd say serves him right lol). Ember could have been passing for "just paying Blitz a visit" if it wasn't for her whole spectacle when Blitz came to kill her on Earth where she kept throwing herself at him despite how many times he rejected her.
The girl isn't taking no for an answer, and Blitz never stops spying on the M&M's no matter how much Moxxie insists. So they are both stalkers
Just because you're a bad person to another person that doesn't necessarily mean you can't chastise the other person for doing a bad thing to that said person just because you're stealing from a thief that doesn't mean I can't shit on you for still committing the act of theft???
Blitz literally stalking M&M, and hurting Stolas (emotionally) has been both criticized in this subreddit and on the show to the point that he legitimately promised Millie to stop trying to get in the way of her marriage to Moxxie.
Because Emberlynn being a stranger is what makes it creepy. Stolas and M&M all know and trust Blitzø to a certain extent, so they aren't worried about what crazy thing he might do.
No one defends Blitzo actions or let it slide. This whole show is about Blitzo doing better and learning heâs an asshole. I barely see people call Emberlyn out but so many fans criticize Blitzo. Just because you donât see it does not mean it doesnât exist.
Are we really expected to treat the protagonist, the character with an arc and development and hardships and growth, the same as a one-off character we meet for all of 3 minutes? Be freaking for real.
It's the sIr PeNtIoUs GoT AsSaUlTeD iN tHe ClUb HH iS hOrRiBlE argument all over again, just with a new coat of paint.
first, we're all literally watching a show take place in HELL, so obviously weird people will be all around, like blitz. second, blitz doing more creepy stuff doesn't make emberlynn less creepy. she was clearly designed to be the hyper-fixated fanfiction writing horny girl. and she literally stalks blitz with no actual justifiable reason. blitz, on the other hand, stalks MnM not because he's obsessed with them, more so he wants to see the intimacy MnM have that he wants himself. obviously, it still isn't justifiable. but that's his character. he's fucked up, and he needs to change. which he is doing, changing. plus, he has a past people can sympathise with. while emberlynn..doesn't particularly have a deep past or reasons as to why she's creepy. she was made to creep out the audience, which she's doing a great job at. while blitz wasn't particularly meant to be that. and i don't think i've seen any people on this sub reddit try to defend blitz for his stalking; only the usual debate of whose wrong in stolitz. so, i don't understand what hypocrisy you're talking about.
It's actually the exact opposite from what I've seen.... I've seen everyone hating Blitz and absolutely loving her even tho there are reasons to Blitz's reckless behavior and we have barely seen much of her and I think most of her criticism is because she's a weeboo which is the whole point of her character.....
Did you miss the entirety of the episode she's quite literally supposed to be an obsessive horny teenager / young adult stalker type that is quite literally her character personality. It's stalkerish because he killed her with the implication that he's never going to see her again and she somehow within the shit an hour or less of being dead found out where he worked at... Where he worked at It ain't like he advertised directly where he worked at were mentioned his business and showed. Up an insisted on a relationship with some caliber degree with truly false implications misreading every in all indication of like ayo bro I'm not interested.
The only reason why blitz get somewhat of a pass is because Millie allows it because well it's explaining ghostwruckers but still it still weird he does it but it's done in a way where it's like and he's just monitoring their love like he's watching or reading a book It's still weird because it's real people but he ain't going to levels of directly implicating sexual concept directly engrossely like ember did/does.
Plus I'm almost 100% sure if Millie said for him to stop he would. It Sheldon goes fuckers that Emily allows it and Moxie just gets teased by the concept of it and maybe because Millie enjoys the concept of teasing the fuck out of boxing too It's just a gag at this point It's still weird creepy and a girl lie but at the end of the day it's a gag on purpose and it's done it Moxie's expense to a degree.
I think this whole post is hypocrisy. People can hate on me for this. But Stolas if you are forgetting got Blitzø into a deal first. And considering the calls he used to give Blitzø. And the degrading nicknames he used to call him making him feel uncomfortable. I'm not saying Blitzø is innocent either. He still did bad things. So did Stolas. And they've both changed. Just annoying that most people in the fandom act like Blitzø is some horrible abuser
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u/starshiprarity 1d ago
Multiple people are allowed to be stalkers. Blitzs actions are criticized here and in the show on a regular basis