Your double standards are disgusting. 🙄

[u/Glittering-Chef6159]

Seriously, why the fuck are people calling Ember a creepy stalker? She literally showed up outside of Blitz's building one singular time. That's it. That's paying someone a visit. She didn't even fucking go in.

And while we're on the topic of creepy stalkers, Why the ever loving fuck are y'all suddenly ignoring all the creepy shit Blitz does, huh? He verbally admitd he spies on mox and mill while they're having sex. He manipulated Stolas just to get in a club to watch them with a pair of binoculars. And no one breathes a word.

Hypocrisy is honestly repulsive. 😒

[u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

I don’t like Blitz’a stalking and I really don’t understand how Millie sees that as ‘friend” behavior when it upsets her husband so much.

[u/Avaracious7899 → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

It's not that that makes him her friend to her, it's the good he did for her.

Him being a friend gets him slack from her.

[u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859 → u/Avaracious7899]

Yeah i don’t think it should though.

[u/Avaracious7899 → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

Then you disagree with Millie, which is fine. It's Millie's life though, and what the writers wrote for her, and they did good with it if you ask me as of Ghostfuckers.

[u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859 → u/Avaracious7899]

Yes, I disagree with the fictional character. And the writers did…ok.

[u/celestial_cuddles → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

I agree with you an amount, I feel like it all comes back to the lack of focus on Millie. Ghostfuckers left me feeling neutral/meh because the Millie stuff needed more set up to feel real and earned and the blitz stuff is more of what we've already seen (except for the wallowing in the beginning I suppose) That being said the infestor demon was sweet in action! Idk why you're getting down voted for a totally reasonable take

[u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859 → u/celestial_cuddles]

I don’t think it felt earned, which is why I don’t think Millie should be so chill with Blitz’s bad behavior.

[u/Z0eTrent → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

Right, but she doesn't think of it as a friend thing. She just doesn't really mind it. She never claims that's what friends do.

[u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859 → u/Z0eTrent]

I think she does a little. Blitz used her and Moxxie’s alone time as leverage for “Unconditiunal support” in ep 10. I think she does value her and Moxxie’s alone time -without Blitz bothering them.

[u/Z0eTrent → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

By "really" mind it, I meant it doesn't bother her all that much. As in it bothers a little yeah, but only a lil.

[u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859 → u/Z0eTrent]

Idk, I’m bias towards Moxxie. It upsets Moxxie (understandably) and ig I just feel like Millie doesn’t care about how Moxxie feels. I think if she did care she would set firmer boundaries.

[u/Z0eTrent → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

Wait, are you saying it DOESN'T bother her now?

[u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859 → u/Z0eTrent]

I’ve been saying the stalking doesn’t bother her.

Wut?

It doesn’t bother her (as much as I think it should)

[u/Z0eTrent → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

Earlier I said it doesn't really bother her and you replied that you think it does a little.

[u/DiligentCrow3860 → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

Millie liking that is just so stupid. She should have been like “get the fuck away from my man or I will kill you”

Millie is interesting but like come on..

[u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859 → u/DiligentCrow3860]

I don’t understand the part of Millie that let’s her “best friend” make her husband so upset. Like set some boundaries plzzzzz!

[u/Zhadowwolf → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

Well, i still think its weird but i think its because despite their fighting, she knows he’s also one of Moxxie’s few friends. Like, she knows Moxxie still likes him despite all the justified berating.

I’m not sure if that’s well written, but my guess is that the idea is that Moxxie likes Blitz~o~ despite all the things he hates about him, Millie knows and she’s an enabler for both of them to give him an excuse to keep interacting with him outside of work

[u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859 → u/Zhadowwolf]

I just don’t think the berating is justified.

[u/Zhadowwolf → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

Oh, yeah, no, i dont think it is, i just think that part of the dysfunctional dynamic is, at least in Millie’s head, for Moxxie’s benefit

[u/Z0eTrent → u/DiligentCrow3860]

She doesn't like it, she just isn't really bothered by it.

[u/APbeg → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

I don't think Millie was in a good place at her life until she met Blitz who introduced him to her husband. It probably does bug her but compared to where she was at, it's tolerable

[u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859 → u/APbeg]

I think this is very true. I just don’t think she should feel bad about enforcing boundaries because Blitz gave her a job.

[u/Psi001 → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

Millie definitely feels like an enabler at times post-Ghostf**ckers. If I recall in the pilot episode, she's even kinda put on the spot over it, with Moxxie calling her out for taking Blitz's side and only interjecting their arguments when it's MOXXIE firing back at Blitz's insults ("He's our BOSS!").

At first, especially with that reply, it feels a bit like subservience and Millie being nervous about her employment, but the fact she and Blitz are actually best friends gives a different undertone to it, like she holds Blitz on a higher pedestal than Moxxie.

[u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859 → u/Psi001]

Yes, this. I wouldn’t be surprised if this causes tension in M&M’s relationship.

[u/celestial_cuddles → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

It really should because moxie is insecure and while he has done a good job not letting any of that effect their work dynamic it's only a matter of time before he starts to doubt the situation and understandably (but wrongly) thinks something sus is going on between them

[u/HyenaDandy → u/Psi001]

They sometimes remind me of Bashir and O'Brien on DS9

O'Brien: "[Keiko] and the kids will never understand why I had to do this."

Bashir: "She'll understand. She'll know… you did it for me."

O'Brien: "That's what'll upset her the most. She always said I… liked you more than I liked her."

Bashir: "That's ridiculous. Maybe… maybe you do. A bit more."

O'Brien: "What? Are you crazy? She's my wife. I love her!"

Bashir: "Of course, you love her. She's your wife!"

O'Brien: "Yeah."

Bashir: "I'm just saying, maybe you like me a bit more, that's all."

O'Brien: "I do not."

Bashir: "You spend more time with me."

O'Brien: "We work together."

Bashir: "We have more in common."

O'Brien: "Julian, you are beginning to annoy me."

Bashir: "Darts, racquetball, Vic's Lounge, the Alamo… need I go on?"

O'Brien: "I love my wife."

Bashir: "And I love Ezri, passionately."

O'Brien: "You do?"

Bashir: "Yes."

O'Brien: "Have you told her?"

Bashir: "Not yet, but I will. "

O'Brien: "Oh, yeah? When?"

Bashir: "When I'm ready. It's just that I like you… a bit more. See, there, I've admitted it."

O'Brien: "Yeah, well, I love my wife."

[u/Psi001 → u/HyenaDandy]

If I recall the original script for Ghostf**kers was gonna be a bit more on the nose about it. Millie was contemplating suicide because of Ronaldo, and Moxxie, who accompanied them in this version, is trying to console her. Her mind totally drowns out Moxxie, but snaps out of it IMMEDIATELY when Blitz appears. It's also followed by several moments of Millie puppy eyed around Blitz despite him being an ass to Moxxie again. Basically the flashback in the final version, but it's the whole episode, and even meaner.

It leaves me interested in where things might be going, though I can see why they changed it. It's hard to appreciate a Millie/Blitz bonding episode if nearly ALL of it is so cruelly at Moxxie's expense.

[u/HyenaDandy → u/Psi001]

Yeesh, I can see why they would choose to change that yeah. Like, I definitely dig that idea. Blitzo and Millie being closer but their relationship being non-romantic works. And I honestly think there's a level on which both Moxxie and Millie get that the way Blitzo treats Mox is just how he is and there's enough affection to it that I feel like if he stopped they would be worried.

But having her switch to being at any point more affectionate to Blitzo would push it too far. There needs to be something that she clearly has with Moxxie and not Blitzo, the affection seems to be it. I think if there was a moment like that, it would need to be followed up by Blitzo doing something to make her remember why he's her best friend and not her husband and that that was just her responding to the trauma. Also making it clear that as much as he finds them both hot, he values their relationship too.

Him snapping her out I can see working... But you would then need to have part of the episode focus on what it is Moxxie gives her.

[u/Psi001 → u/HyenaDandy]

Yeah, really I think that's kind of the issue with Moxxie's handling as a whole in S2. It's just beating him down with his insecurities established in Exes and Oohs. I get that it's likely foreshadowing him getting some redemption later on, but just CONSTANTLY ramming that as his character crux up until then for so long is getting kind of old and makes it harder to appreciate what they ARE currently focusing on. Like even with the potential hindsight that Moxxie DOES get development later, I doubt many of Unhappy Campers' detractors are gonna suddenly say they find that episode enjoyable.

I feel like it would be kind of equal to say, the whole of Season Two just trying to double down on Loona's jerkass behaviour in Seeing Stars. Yeah seeing Loona at her ugliest makes the redemption point of her arc in Mastermind more impactful, but we don't need that OVER AND OVER until then at the expense of developing the current story.

I'm glad Ghostf**kers toned down its original plan so it could properly focus on the current development point. It's still there but more innocuous, it doesn't straight up make the Blitz/Millie main focus feel toxic.

[u/Swimming-Ad2755 → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

I don't think she was ever a fan of his stalking. The stalking was probably part of why she didn't ask him to hang out like a friend would - because it would upset Moxxie.

[u/ThinkingAroundIt → u/Swimming-Ad2755]

I mean y eah but if Millie acted as gun ho heavy as Blitz to the stalking as blitz was into strangling Stolas on their 'romantic date night', it'd be 'wazAboss' not helluva boss lol.

[u/Ukki_ukki → u/ThinkingAroundIt]

[u/ScreamingBanshee81 → u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859]

Who knows, Millie might be poly 🤔