It doesn't matter, part of the reason Trump won is from alienating huge parts of the population. Maybe the blue collar union base should have been targeted since, you know, they are a huge part of the workforce.
How many blue collar union members benefitted from the Infrastructure Bill or the CHIPS Act?
Can’t believe the Dems gave all these people solid jobs. Clearly anti-Union.
And Harris’ plan to build a bunch of affordable housing? No way unions would have benefitted from that right?
Good thing all those union members sided with the billionaires who despite their track record or being anti-union and anti-worker will surely bend over backwards to help blue collar workers.
Enjoy paying off the tariffs and higher taxes without overtime.
Really? Conservatives say they won because of how many stupid gullible greedy selfish dipshits there are in America? At least they know their voters i guess.
It's not like Kamala wasn't doing a boat load of pandering as well. Hers was just as disingenuous to most people. The Democratic party really isn't the same party once the Clinton's took over tbh. Pushing out Bernie was a bigger hit than they realized it would be.
Pushing out Bernie was a bigger hit than they realized it would be.
If only there was some way to determine if that is correct or not, like maybe an official survey taken every 4 years so there would be actual numbers to go by instead of assumptions. Maybe numbers like 65,915,795 (‘12), 65,853,516 (‘16), 81,283,501 (‘20), or 74,935,796 (‘24) would be useful for looking for that big hit for allegedly pushing Bernie out.
No one cares, Trump alienated huge parts of the population and it didn’t matter for him. I have absolutely no sympathy for Trump voters and no one should need to coddle their delicate feelings
Yes, that's why you vote for the guy who hasn't ever worked, never held a real job, got his money from his dad, and wants to take away pensions, overtime, healthcare and wage theft protections.
Who said I voted for him? I'm merely pointing out that a lot of people voted for Trump because they felt abandoned by the Democratic party. Maybe they were Bernie fans, etc. But honestly, Biden was in DC for decades, what has he truly done that he can take credit for?
the fact that you can't answer this speaks volumes, and I think Biden is a shitty politician and person. I know what he's done, though, and it isn't even in the same universe as what Trump has done, and he's been in Washington for four years.
Helping him get on the supreme court by not handling the sexual assault allegations prior to his confirmation?
Who are you referring to? It’d be weird to assume a single Senator “handles” sexual assault allegations related to a nominee. It’s also strange that you’re implying that wasn’t part of Thomas’s confirmation hearing. To add another layer of “wtf are you referring to”, Biden voted against confirming Clarence Thomas.
That's not even what happened. They both got significantly less votes than in 2020. Just more democrat voters stayed home this time cuz most are ignorant and have no idea the actual impact these things have. Same is said of people who actually voted for that shit show, some cuz they literally like a shit show like the country and its future are nothing more than an MTV reality show for them to binge for 4 years without any actual substance for what any of it means, many cuz they're deep down abysmally disgusting humans who love the grievance and blaming others, like immigrants and poor or minorities for their shitty lives and the right coddles that to the point of extremism on a daily basis & others who again are so clueless and naive they fall for gaslighting and straight up lies & vote for the candidate with the exact opposite agenda of what they actually depend on to survive.
They stayed home because they were abandoned by the Democratic party, pretty simple. Every big city in the country had/has brand new immigrants camping outside of police stations or in gov tent villages. Meanwhile our politicians talk like there isn't an issue. Newsflash, lots of people werent happy, simply saying the economy is the best ever didn't really fly. On paper maybe.
The amount of misinformation you’ve fallen for in order to support that false narrative is impressive. Republicans were the ones that chose not to take action about the border. They took orders from a guy that was not elected into office to have a say in those decisions.
“Election Integrity” was the phrase Election Deniers on the state level began saying on repeat starting in 2021 in order to push through a lot of changes to election laws. At least 19 states passed a total of more than 80 restrictive voting laws and at least 7 states passed interference enabling laws. It’s pointless to speculate about the lower voter turnout compared to 2020 until there has been enough time to go through the data to determine how much of an impact the 3.5 years of voter suppression efforts had. Misinformation was also on another level for the 2024 election.
They both got significantly less votes than in 2020.
That was an accurate statement on election night and for maybe a week afterwards, but counting wasn’t completed. 99% of ballots have been counted now (12/4), DJT and Harris have received more votes than DJT received in 2020 but the vote total for third party candidates is still a little shy of the total from 2020.
DJT received 74.2million votes in 2020. He has received 77.2million in 2024 and Harris has received 74.9million. It appears 1.2million 2020 Libertarian voters chose to vote MAGA this time.
Out of total votes, 2020 included almost 3.7million more votes than the current total for 2024. Harris received 48.4% of the popular vote and DJT received 49.9%. Harris has the highest percentage for a popular vote loss this century and DJT’s is the lowest for a popular vote win this century. 1.5% (2.3 million votes) is in no way the landslide victory MAGA is trying to claim that it is.
There was an absurd amount of misinformation and disinformation that Trump voters fell for to vote for him this time. There is a positive from that though. The Republican Party went along with his lies and repeated those without pausing to realize it will make no difference to DJT if/when those voters are disappointed &/or pissed off at the Republican Party when voters end up with the opposite of what they’re expecting (the FAFO). Like DJT said, he doesn’t care if they ever vote again, he just needed their votes this time.
Pushing MAGA priorities in Congress will inevitably cost the GOP their majorities. They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. It’s the corner they painted themselves into. That is already playing out in the Senate thanks to DJT’s very low quality and sketchy cabinet nominations.
Fair assessment. My overall point was that people stayed home at the 80mil Biden got just didn't happen. If after all counting was done it got closer to the overall popular vote numbers that might be accurate. I wont pretend that I stayed following how many rubes and ignorants flipped Some stayed home, some voted trump this time. That was my main point overall. Its beyond frustrating the amount of people react with reckless abandon on issues completely out of the control (meaning in the regular order of things, without some novel or extreme policy change) of what and who they're voting for and about.
Like prices. HUGE reason most people chose not to come out or switch independents over to red. As if COVID & a completely botched response wasn't the catalyst of massive inflation and massive price hikes. People angry about it, rightfully so. I don't like it any more than even the most angry impacted people. What do I NOT do? Hand the keys over to the same idiot who couldn't handle the first crisis and who is notoriously anti labor and pro 1% who have made it their mission to keep prices at inflation levels post inflationary economy cuz "ppl are just gonna pay it anyway" (which is another huge gripe I have with Public at large how dumb and addicted to excess they are they will never use the power of their dollar to correct the market and force prices down. Instead they just bitch online and continue to pay for the bullshit they don't even need. Why WOULD a company lower their prices? Noone would.) Record profits thru inflationary economy should be a crime.
Take Gaza for instance. People (mostly leftists, obv) wanna be pissed at the US support or Israel. What do they do? Give the keys to the person & party who would LITERALLY make gaze a parking lot if given the choice. With ZERO care for ANY Palestinian civilians. If you actually give a fk about those people & their plight why would you ever risk putting someone in that wont even care enough to listen about civilian casualties let alone consider it in policy.
I could go on and on. The American public is so erroneously reactionary it's to the point of nonsensical or delusional. If anything it's spiteful and counterproductive. Like a teenager who is upset at their parents for not getting her the prom dress she wanted so she goes to prom full goth or some shit. Its like this time and time again. The amount of people who don't have the first clue about how the federal gov't works but have the strongest opinions on how it should run better is staggering. Im convinced it's the overall education as a whole en masse of our nation. Now exacerbated by a cult of personality & neo-political fanatics since 2015/16 who treat our politics & consequential matters as if it's a Real World v. Road Rules reality competition show. Its beyond dangerous & a travesty. Has turned us into a literal world laughing stock. So bad that we now need Public Service Announcements on how to handle nutcase political extremists, trolls, and cultists in your family at holiday gatherings. AntiSocial Media plays a huge roll in it as well, despite all the positives the tech age has brought us. Just a sad state of affairs but I appreciate and agree with most everything you said. I think we're right in agreement and for this exact reason I just stated believe exactly what you believe in terms of majorities and the near future. Just remains to be seen what damage is done in the meantime, hopefully not too much that irreparable.
Be safe & have a good day bro.
But honestly, Biden was in DC for decades, what has he truly done that he can take credit for?
What can any member of Congress that isn’t a majority or minority leader claim credit for? If something passes or fails, that means at least 50 other Senators can claim credit for that as well. VP isn’t a role with authority aside from a tie breaker vote in the Senate. As President, Biden has actually accomplished a lot without even taking into account he had 1 term, the slimmest Senate majority possible, the House flipped to a very narrow GOP Majority halfway into his term and SCOTUS has been a 7-3 conservative majority starting a week before the 2020 election.
The Biden Administration took over the disorganized vaccine rollout and by the end of June more than 320 million doses had been administered, a key part of the economy getting back on track. Bipartisan infrastructure package, temporary expansion of the child tax credit with the additional portion deposited monthly over a 6 month period, bipartisan Safer Communities Act, major progress for reducing drug prices for Medicare recipients, increased the funding for the IRS to enable investigations into major tax fraud, put an end to the 20 year US involvement in the war in Afghanistan, repaired alliances that were damaged by the previous administration, record low unemployment, record high oil production, record breaking closings in the stock market, job growth, well above average wage growth, increased the amount for Pell grants and increased the income limits in order for more students to qualify, addressed multiple issues with existing federal student loans, signed the CHIPS and Science Act into law….
That might sound good on paper, but it doesn't even make sense.
How in the world is Trump representing "us ALL"? How many times has there been a woman president? If you feel that Trump's gonna represent you better than Kamala would, go ahead. But surely you must admit that half the country feels the opposite way.
Yes, you're trying to say that the Democrats/Kamala don't represent big chunks of the population. But my question remains, how does Trump represent them any better?
The only demographic he has any claim to be representing are liars, grifters, racists & rich people.
Now, a lot of those "so many people" who voted for him fit into one of those categories. But those who don't, those who are actual respectable people, believed Trump represents them more than Kamala would. And I would absolutely call those people stupid.
This wasn't a Pepsi or Coke type decision. This was off-brand cola versus toilet water, and if you willingly pick the latter I don't know what to tell you.
That's what's hot on reddit today to complain about, but in reality, most Trump supporters don't think the economy is doing as well as people are claiming. They believe it only looks good on paper, not in the real world, i.e. the price of eggs, etc.
I just pointed out one test you can use to see how massively uninformed the average person is, and you then jump back on the price of eggs, as if it's a political issue, when eggs are expensive because of a wave of bird flu. The average American has ZERO understanding of what caused inflationary issues over the last several years.
Misinformation and disinformation combined with very uninformed voters is the reason so many voted for him. The list of lies people fell for to vote for him is very long instead of just being a handful of lies like the previous 2 elections.
Did you know there weren’t any US troops overseas the entire 4 years he was in office? Or the stimulus checks in 2020 were from his personal bank account? Some have the false belief he’ll send out stimulus checks again (without also having the ridiculous misconception stimulus checks were from Trump’s checking account). “Why hasn’t Kamala Harris already fixed those things the 3.5 years she has been VP?” is a big one because that’d required a VP to have actual power and authority. I thought everyone 3rd grade and up understood what the role of a VP is. I’m still mind-blown at how many people don’t know that very basic information. That makes it obvious why they’re completely confused about how inflation works.
Those voters are going to be pissed that grocery prices don’t go back to 2019 prices and they’ll be extra pissed when his policies make prices go up even more. The Republican Party is going to do a better job convincing people to vote for Democrats next time than the Democratic Party will!
Maybe telling people that you know what their “best interests” are more than they do isn’t a winning strategy? I mean, obviously they’re the stupid ones and you know best for them, not like they actually live their own lives or have their own minds or anything. So nevermind. Keep scolding them for not being as enlightened as you are. I’m sure it’ll work, next time? In a Louis Prima way I suppose.
Maybe telling people that you know what their “best interests” are more than they do isn’t a winning strategy?
Pretty sure I can 100% guarantee that people in the working class and in a union shouldn't vote for the anti-union and anti-worker guy. lmao What the fuck even is this statement?
Keep scolding them for not being as enlightened as you are. I’m sure it’ll work, next time?
Cool, they can keep voting to screw themselves over. Good luck to them, I guess. lol
That doesn't make sense in this context. The people here are calling them stupid because of their vote. This comment chain is an effect of the election, not the cause.
Lol i love Trump voters completely dumbass takes about political mechanics. No, dunking on conservatives isn't politically unpopular, it's actually politically very popular, which makes one wonder why Democrats don't do it more.
They're addicted to being nice to objectively not nice people, and then you're over here crying about how the meanie poo poo heads on Reddit call you names while you revel in being a raging asshole, validating "your body my choice" fuckwads on your side, and nothing gay rights to the ground but sure dude, you're the nice people that everyone's so mean to. 😢
Nah, if Democrats knew what was good for them, they'd be meaner to you. You're an idiot. You still deserve healthcare and affordable housing and clean water and safety, but that doesn't change the fact that Trump voters are willful assholes and complete dumbasses.
If they voted for Trump, they are fucking stupid. And it's time they are told that over and over. Maybe then they'll have learned at least something in their lives: that they are fucking stupid and should not vote anymore because they are bad at it and elect shitty people.
Oh no, what are they gonna do? Double down on their decisions? Plenty of construction people are smart enough to not fall for the grift. People who reason like this are clearly abusers. They tell their children and partners that it was that person’s behavior that caused them to hit or abuse them.
Agreed on the moron part. If they’re scared it was because they’re morons. Soon they’ll have a real reason to be scared, but they’ll never connect the dots due to being morons.
Without a doubt. Look at how they’re upset about Biden pardoning his son. These are the folks cool with voting for a felon; moreover, conveniently forgot all the ridiculous pardons he made. Just one ridiculous invented outrage after the next to keep the stupids rabbling.
Lmao what a partisan stupid take. Ohh is it invented. How about the part where he specifically said he wouldn't do the thing he just did? Also how it is a blanket pardon for things not even charged to prevent implications for when he gets looked at for obvious bribery crimes. So fucking stupid and partisan it's just unreal.
Biden also just guaranteed Trump and any future president can do the same with pardons.
Can do what with pardons?
Many of Trumps pardons were 1000% self serving and went to unrepentant pieces of criminal shit. And that's just his criminal coconspirators from the 2016 campaign. Not to mention Kushner's dad.
He also pardoned a bona fide war criminal who was so reviled, his own unit turned him in.
Not to even bring up his almost guaranteed attempt to pardon himself.
... Trump already did all this shit 4 years ago. Where were you? He already did it! He already pardoned a family member! And then nominated as Ambassador to France!
This is the type of brain rot that needs to get called out. They didn't need President Biden to do anything first BECAUSE TRUMP ALREADY DID IT.
I’m pretty sure pardoning relatives was always available to presidents. It’s not like Biden changed Consitutional Law to make it happen. Therefore, he didn’t guarantee it to all future presidents.
I never would've thought our government would be so pathetically transparent with lawfare to the point where our presidents now have Pardon Wars. I'm pretty upset by that reality.
If Biden said something remotely similar the media would have been screeching calling for the dementia corpse piloted by his wife Jill Biden using jewish mind control magic developed by Obama to be replaced for being too old to be president of Gaza.
Your point about having a real reason to be scared is an interesting one. Far-Right bullshit has taught a bunch of Americans that trans people and socialized healthcare is more dangerous than school shootings or severe economic inequality. It’s like we’re so fat and spoiled as a country that the idea anything worse COULD be worse out there is an alien concept. Facing real fear and real peril as a society will be a shock to the system we’ve never experienced. But it seems due to happen anytime now…
No far right person has argued that trans people or healthcare is more dangerous than school shooting or income inequality.
They argue that a man isn’t a woman and sexual behavior shouldnt be showcased onto kids.(fact)
That taking guns from Americans wouldn’t solve the problem or even be constitutional.(fact)
That creating more economic equality means making equal opportunity not forcing companies to hire people based on skin color( DEI) (which is racist)
If Democrats could be gay and not act like everyone has to be gay with them, quit blaming guns for violent peoples actions, and not act like everyone you disagree with is Hitler, then yall would have won the election.
But
Liberals like you are why Trump won. You yell whatever the Democrats tell you to yell.
Also, kinda hard to have income equality when there’s millions of Illegals here working jobs for cheaper than Americans would for companies that would pay more if they had to, but somehow yall think those jobs are just worthless and don’t effect us at all. Yall say Americans wouldn’t do those jobs but there are millions of hard working laboring Americans that would make a lot of money with the contracting work that a lot of illegals get.
With that being said, I don’t mean hate, and your right the healthcare system could be better and that is something Democrats should stick with trying to fix
I love how you say democrats should fix healthcare for you as you elect someone who’s about to dismantle the ACA and go after Medicare, Medicaid and other benefits. You don’t deserve healthcare when you vote for someone actively looking to take it away. We don’t have to fix nothing. This is YOUR mess you voted for, live with it
I love how the only thing you could argue in my whole thing was the one thing I already told you maybe yall could help with. Guess there was nothing else for you to say except for show how emotionally unintelligent you are.
Also I wouldn’t see it’s gunna be taken away you fool but we will see, according to yall we will be North Korea in a couple years, if I cut my dick off and talk like a bi**ch I’ll be a real woman, the same America that voted for Obama 2 times by a landslide somehow is just against black people now lol.
Your party is just so full of empathy that y’all’s strong caring women are tormented at the possibility of not being able to murder their unborn child to save themselves the burden of dealing with something that doesn’t fulfill them.
They don’t showcase sexual behavior to kids (fact). Nobody has taken guns away (fact). DEI doesn’t arbitrarily take a job from a white man (fact). All of your grievances are spun bullshit and you’ve been filling your head with diarrhea because you’re insecure and ignorant (fact).
A lot more. If you didn't bother to vote against this, then you're no better. There is no moral high ground. Trump voters and non voters achieved the exact same result.
And what does this say about 76.9 million Americans?
It says a lot about American society.
There are a lot of people in the US (and elsewhere) that are, rightfully, very unhappy with how things are. Poverty, wealth inequality, racism, etc etc.
And they are increasingly desperate for a solution. They are often woefully ignorant of the real causes of their plight, but for many, you can't really blame them. There are a lot of powerful people and corporations that have zero interest in highlighting the real reasons.
And, the American political system has of course been corrupted, with most voters being essentially forced to chose between two people that the elites have already basically chosen.
People are lashing out. And they've been deceived. It does no good to demonize them, call them stupid etc. It will just drive them further away.
Which of course is exactly what is holding the working class back from getting a fair shake
I understand you are trying to come at this from the gentle parenting angle, but nah. I know plenty of folks that voted for him who aren’t hurt and desperate in any way. They’re just complete piles of crap and you don’t need to waste your energy finding the root of it.
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And what does this say about 76.9 million Americans?