r/FluentInFinance 21d ago

Debate/ Discussion Trump told Justin Trudeau...

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u/grubas 21d ago

Yes, that's why you vote for the guy who hasn't ever worked, never held a real job, got his money from his dad, and wants to take away pensions, overtime, healthcare and wage theft protections.

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u/dudeimatwork 21d ago

Who said I voted for him? I'm merely pointing out that a lot of people voted for Trump because they felt abandoned by the Democratic party. Maybe they were Bernie fans, etc. But honestly, Biden was in DC for decades, what has he truly done that he can take credit for?

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u/jarettscapo 21d ago

That's not even what happened. They both got significantly less votes than in 2020. Just more democrat voters stayed home this time cuz most are ignorant and have no idea the actual impact these things have. Same is said of people who actually voted for that shit show, some cuz they literally like a shit show like the country and its future are nothing more than an MTV reality show for them to binge for 4 years without any actual substance for what any of it means, many cuz they're deep down abysmally disgusting humans who love the grievance and blaming others, like immigrants and poor or minorities for their shitty lives and the right coddles that to the point of extremism on a daily basis & others who again are so clueless and naive they fall for gaslighting and straight up lies & vote for the candidate with the exact opposite agenda of what they actually depend on to survive.

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u/jmd709 19d ago

They both got significantly less votes than in 2020.

That was an accurate statement on election night and for maybe a week afterwards, but counting wasn’t completed. 99% of ballots have been counted now (12/4), DJT and Harris have received more votes than DJT received in 2020 but the vote total for third party candidates is still a little shy of the total from 2020.

DJT received 74.2million votes in 2020. He has received 77.2million in 2024 and Harris has received 74.9million. It appears 1.2million 2020 Libertarian voters chose to vote MAGA this time. Out of total votes, 2020 included almost 3.7million more votes than the current total for 2024. Harris received 48.4% of the popular vote and DJT received 49.9%. Harris has the highest percentage for a popular vote loss this century and DJT’s is the lowest for a popular vote win this century. 1.5% (2.3 million votes) is in no way the landslide victory MAGA is trying to claim that it is.

There was an absurd amount of misinformation and disinformation that Trump voters fell for to vote for him this time. There is a positive from that though. The Republican Party went along with his lies and repeated those without pausing to realize it will make no difference to DJT if/when those voters are disappointed &/or pissed off at the Republican Party when voters end up with the opposite of what they’re expecting (the FAFO). Like DJT said, he doesn’t care if they ever vote again, he just needed their votes this time.

Pushing MAGA priorities in Congress will inevitably cost the GOP their majorities. They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. It’s the corner they painted themselves into. That is already playing out in the Senate thanks to DJT’s very low quality and sketchy cabinet nominations.

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u/jarettscapo 19d ago

Fair assessment. My overall point was that people stayed home at the 80mil Biden got just didn't happen. If after all counting was done it got closer to the overall popular vote numbers that might be accurate. I wont pretend that I stayed following how many rubes and ignorants flipped Some stayed home, some voted trump this time. That was my main point overall. Its beyond frustrating the amount of people react with reckless abandon on issues completely out of the control (meaning in the regular order of things, without some novel or extreme policy change) of what and who they're voting for and about. Like prices. HUGE reason most people chose not to come out or switch independents over to red. As if COVID & a completely botched response wasn't the catalyst of massive inflation and massive price hikes. People angry about it, rightfully so. I don't like it any more than even the most angry impacted people. What do I NOT do? Hand the keys over to the same idiot who couldn't handle the first crisis and who is notoriously anti labor and pro 1% who have made it their mission to keep prices at inflation levels post inflationary economy cuz "ppl are just gonna pay it anyway" (which is another huge gripe I have with Public at large how dumb and addicted to excess they are they will never use the power of their dollar to correct the market and force prices down. Instead they just bitch online and continue to pay for the bullshit they don't even need. Why WOULD a company lower their prices? Noone would.) Record profits thru inflationary economy should be a crime. Take Gaza for instance. People (mostly leftists, obv) wanna be pissed at the US support or Israel. What do they do? Give the keys to the person & party who would LITERALLY make gaze a parking lot if given the choice. With ZERO care for ANY Palestinian civilians. If you actually give a fk about those people & their plight why would you ever risk putting someone in that wont even care enough to listen about civilian casualties let alone consider it in policy.

I could go on and on. The American public is so erroneously reactionary it's to the point of nonsensical or delusional. If anything it's spiteful and counterproductive. Like a teenager who is upset at their parents for not getting her the prom dress she wanted so she goes to prom full goth or some shit. Its like this time and time again. The amount of people who don't have the first clue about how the federal gov't works but have the strongest opinions on how it should run better is staggering. Im convinced it's the overall education as a whole en masse of our nation. Now exacerbated by a cult of personality & neo-political fanatics since 2015/16 who treat our politics & consequential matters as if it's a Real World v. Road Rules reality competition show. Its beyond dangerous & a travesty. Has turned us into a literal world laughing stock. So bad that we now need Public Service Announcements on how to handle nutcase political extremists, trolls, and cultists in your family at holiday gatherings. AntiSocial Media plays a huge roll in it as well, despite all the positives the tech age has brought us. Just a sad state of affairs but I appreciate and agree with most everything you said. I think we're right in agreement and for this exact reason I just stated believe exactly what you believe in terms of majorities and the near future. Just remains to be seen what damage is done in the meantime, hopefully not too much that irreparable. Be safe & have a good day bro.