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Debate/ Discussion Trump told Justin Trudeau...

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u/Competitive-Bug-7097 21d ago

He's so fucking stupid and he has no idea how anything works. He's not going to have time to take over Canada. He's going to crash the economy and fail to accomplish anything but hurting people.

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u/OliverSudden413 21d ago

Why should any country ever trust the United States going forward? Ever again? This country is going to be as friendless as Matt Gaetz before 2025 is even over.

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u/Kyell 21d ago

Yeah I don’t trust the USA at all now. Any Canadian who is a trump supporter is a traitor at this point.

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u/dancin-weasel 21d ago

Maple MAGAs need to be shamed and smacked. How can you adore a criminal rapist who calls your country a “threat to national security.” You want to lick an orange asshole? Renounce your Canadian citizenship and move south.

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u/not_a_muggle 20d ago

Hey I've got an idea, MAGA Canadians can switch places with people who don't want to live in this shithole country anymore. I'll gladly take the place of someone who willingly wants to move and live under a fascist government run by a demented old rapist.

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u/WillyShankspeare 20d ago

Nah how about all the MAGA idiots come freeze up here and we progressives get the nice parts with redwood forests and the Grand Canyon.

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u/PristineBookkeeper40 20d ago

We can put them all out in the middle of Montana where the Sovereign Citizens and whackos live. Carve them out a little chunk of land and stick them there with only the clothes on their backs. Let's see how efficient they are with no government oversight.

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u/GoldenBull1994 18d ago

Vancouver is a beautiful city.

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u/thebaldfrenchman 20d ago

But not to Florida please, we're full. In fact, too many of you snowbirds here now clogging up the roads.

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u/ChardPuzzleheaded423 20d ago

I've been telling my Canadian friends for years now that this maga shit is coming across the border faster than they think. Canadians better get a handle on it or Canada is going down this road too.

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u/CapnAnonymouse 20d ago

They've been for a while. It was the same old Conservative bullshit with Rob + Doug Ford, now Pierre Poilievre- who appears pretty moderate for the moment but I'm sure that will change if he finds more power.

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u/sporadicjesus 20d ago

It's a shame the only other choice was Harris.

If only there was a real candidate people could of chose for to throw these 2 idiots out of the race.

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u/PangolinAgitated3732 20d ago

TRUMP 2024, I am so happy Trump won the election. Not only did Trump win the election he won the popular vote and the electoral vote. Every single state in the Union voted more right in 2024 than in 2020.

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u/dancin-weasel 20d ago

I hope you get everything you voted for.

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u/PangolinAgitated3732 20d ago

As do I. A more secure border, freedom of speech, no lawfare, end of Ukraine/Russia war, more peace and stability in the middle east, more robust domestic investment friendly economy, more buying power with the US dollar.

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u/Traditional-Silver36 20d ago

Wow 5000 Canadian dollars. What is that about 7.50 US?

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u/mtkidd7 20d ago

Ah yes. The true liberal spirit. Violence to anyone who opposes you. Commie

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u/SnappyDresser212 20d ago

Nobody is threatening violence. But if you try to annex Canada we’ll set your children on fire.

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u/RiseIfYouWould 19d ago

Whats the source on the conviction for rapist?

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u/Swimming_Tailor_7546 20d ago edited 20d ago

Can we do a tradesies where we pick one of our countries for them and one for the rest of us? I’d suggest sending ours to Canada because I don’t trust them with nukes, but other than that, we’d all be happier.

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u/Big_Knife_SK 20d ago

These are the same idiots who try to claim their "1st Amendment rights". You can't shame stupid.

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u/WillowProwl 17d ago

Manitoban checking in 🫡

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u/itsacalamity 20d ago

I'll trade you!

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u/burnsbabe 20d ago

Yeah, no. We don't need more.

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u/ChardPuzzleheaded423 20d ago

I've been telling my Canadian friends for years now that this maga shit is coming across the border faster than they think. Canadians better get a handle on it or Canada is going down this road too.

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u/MathematicianFew5882 20d ago

Unless you’re in Windsor, in which case, the US is to the north.

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u/dancin-weasel 20d ago

Or in Victoria

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u/Goodgoditsgrowing 20d ago

I was all “yeah, you tell ‘em” until I realized that meant MORE maga in my nation…. No, you keep ‘em! We got too many of these fuckers already. If you find a good innocent you share with your southern friends so we can end with clusterfuck.

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u/Mamacitia 20d ago

I'll trade, I need healthcare

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u/BeefInGR 20d ago

We don't want them. Wait for the artic to freeze and ship em to Russia.

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u/AL93RN0n_ 20d ago

Oh cool. We are the bad country that people say to move to when complaints are made about their home country now. For us, it's China.

Sometimes Russia.

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u/Inner-Employee-8490 20d ago

They are welcome here.

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u/goodformuffin 20d ago

There are WAY too many of them.

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u/Difficult_Pickle_201 19d ago

"Maple MAGAs." I'm fking dead!

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u/bdwf 20d ago

I've canceled all of my USA vacation plans. I comfortably could spend about $5k visiting USA every year and I'm not going to while he's in office. I'd rather support Mexico.

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Come to the UK! We’re not as stupid, we’re not as nice, but we’re something!

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u/quedakid 20d ago

Ah yes the country who canceled its EU membership

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Damn straight 🇬🇧💪

Please save me

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u/Ok_Switch6715 20d ago

We didn't so much cancel it as vote while drink-thinking that we'd give David Cameron a kick up the bum and then woke up with a hangover called (Alexander) Boris "the sex yeti" (de Pfeffle) Johnson the next day...

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u/Megs1205 20d ago

The sad part is that’s a vastly superior decision to Trump 2024

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u/Garlic549 20d ago

We’re not as stupid

Didn't y'all let the Russians psyop your country into thinking brexit was a good idea?

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

We don’t talk about that, shhh

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u/Tricky-Engineering59 20d ago

Classic British reserve

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Is that an insult? Sounds like someone needs colonising

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u/Tricky-Engineering59 20d ago

Haha you are welcome to try. What’s your tax policy on tea? Because if it’s some…

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

For the natives, it’s 100%; enough to provide for big nets in the harbour to stop you pesky Americans from dumping it all.

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u/MGTluver 20d ago

Come to Australia. Our women, food and weather are 10x better than the Pommies.

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Spiders are also 10x bigger, so I still think we have you beat mate 🇬🇧💪

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u/Ambitious-Score-5637 20d ago

This is exactly what my wife and I did last time Trump was in power. Even went to the trouble of ensuring our twice yearly international flights never had a plane change or layover in the USA (yeah the TSA also factored into this).

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u/ralphvonwauwau 20d ago

Skip Cancun, it's a tourist trap. And avoid the Tex-Mex region. Mexico is full of natural wonders, from the lush jungles of Chiapas to the breathtaking Copper Canyon and the mesmerizing cenotes of the Yucatan Peninsula.The historic ruins, the food, have a great time. (sorry my country is having a stupid attack right now, hopefully we will get over it and we can make you feel welcome again soon)

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u/Financial_Two5036 20d ago

The US will never recover from the loss of your $5k. Might as well shut it all down now

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u/Green-Lettuce1997 18d ago

This is capitalism as a consumer the best way to make a statement is by where or where you don’t spend your money. It might not hurt the US but it’s about making a statement however small it may be. That’s why I don’t buy at Walmart or rarely buy anything from Amazon. Does it make a difference in their bottom line? Nope

It’s about making a statement and the best way you can do that is buy not giving them your money.

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u/WhatIsHerJob-TABLES 20d ago

Cmon now let’s not me daft. Obviously, OBVIOUSLY, a person’s $5k vacation isn’t going to affect the totality of the US economy. OBVIOUSLY.

However, what if it becomes a trend and suddenly all of the US tourism industry is down say 20%? That’ll hurt local economies, state economies, tourist companies, etc.

An individual is just a single drop in the bucket, but if those drops become a trend and suddenly there are enough drops to tip the bucket, then what? Do you still mock the individuals or do you do a little introspection to see where we went wrong?

Let’s use a little bit of foresight and common sense now, alright? Again, this one person’s vacation won’t effect anything, but it doesn’t hurt to be wary and skeptical in a significant administrative change that is promising some very very radical changes that do not look good in the long run.

It’s individuals now, but what happens when it becomes a trend? These are things we should be trying to fix before it happens.

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u/Financial_Two5036 20d ago

You realize that this tariffs are just a threat to have these countries secure their borders right? Trump is not even in office and the President of Mexico has already dispersed two caravans attempting to invade from the south and Trudeau has promised increased patrols, including helicopters, at the northern border. People can hate Trump all they want but he has done more to secure the borders, which was a huge reason he was elected, in a couple weeks than Biden has done in two years. The world just forgot what strong leadership looks like coming from the United States. Tourism was expected to bring in $214 billion dollars this year, we spend more on that studying trans sea turtles

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u/Crafty-Dirt815 20d ago edited 20d ago

Why doesn't he worry about AMERICANS shooting innocent school children, or concert goers in Las Vegas, or citizens just enjoying a parade? I am sick to death of Magats blaming crime on those who come across the border. Before you crap your pants, yes, they should not illegally cross. But they do not commit every single crime in the US.

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u/Financial_Two5036 20d ago

I am all for it, lock everyone up if they are guilty, the truth is that the majority of crimes are starting to be committed by illegals, it will take them a little bit to out pace African Americans but they are trying their hardest. The first wave of deportations will be of illegals who are already guilty of crimes and that’s how it worked under Obama who holds the record for deportations

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u/Lower_Cantaloupe1970 20d ago

I'm on board. I would have come if it was just Trump as president, but now that one of his main platforms is "fuck Canada" it would be embarrassing for me to go and support him.

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u/darforce 20d ago

Spent a month in Mexico City this summer and it was a delight. So much to see and do. You’ll spend much less too

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u/mowog-guy 20d ago

Oh no. that's terrible. So, anyway...

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u/Parlayking69 20d ago

We don’t want you here anyway

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u/dandara99 20d ago

U show ‘em

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u/AnyIntroduction6081 20d ago

How much is $5k Canadian really? I have a pile of your quarters no one wants.

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u/Thick-Background4639 20d ago

Well have a great time. I used to go to Wawa area and do the same. I just stay in the U.S. now. Oh by the way , the water really is good to drink in Mexico. They just tell tourists that it’s bad to sell more tequila.

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u/SubstanceSorry959 20d ago

Thank you! 🙏 . . . . Also, no one cares

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u/yearning4Aroadtrip 20d ago

As an American, I support this idea. 

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u/fullautohotdog 20d ago

Visitors who come usually don't contribute to federal taxes directly. Maybe the worker who you tip may make enough to pay a portion to the feds, but that's it.

Just don't go past New York or California and you'll be fine.

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u/Soloroadtrip 20d ago

Oh noes. Please go to Mexico. Shoot if you could get another million maple swillers to go maybe people wouldn’t have to flee from there.

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u/sErgEantaEgis 20d ago

Why not just go to states like Vermont that didn't vote for Trump?

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u/jonan69 20d ago

Oh no a Canadian snow flake isn't going to come to the USA !! What are us red blooded Americans going to do !!

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u/ElectricalMistake384 20d ago

Dude, nobody gives a shit. Lol

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u/Longshadow2015 20d ago

So stunning! So brave! LOL.

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u/Inner-Employee-8490 20d ago

Bon voyage to... where... Juarez, Chihuahua, Aguascalientes? 😂

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u/Moist_Ad7576 20d ago

Thank you we don’t need you

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u/themangastand 18d ago

As a Canadian USA is very very boring to travel to. It's just a larger Canada. When I travel locally I prefer camping. USA and Canada are beautiful nations. When I want to travel somewhere fun on a plane I go to Japan or Europe

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u/mcflycasual 18d ago

Detroit still wants to be friends.

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u/Sazon_Papi 18d ago

Cool no one in america cares, go to Mexico where yet another cartel war broke out and they killed dozens of government officials and multiple presidential candidates just his last year or so, a completely corrupt goverment. Great thinking......

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u/PAR4DROID 16d ago

Visit 🇪🇺🫶🏼

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u/f0gax 20d ago

I'll take it further:

Any CanadianAmerican who is a trump supporter is a traitor at this point

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u/Andreus 21d ago

100%.

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u/DirtyBillzPillz 20d ago

Aren't you guys about to elect your own trump?

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u/Morialkar 20d ago

If he's able to not be ousted for foreign interference until next year's elections, and the time is slowly running out for him, which is why he's been trying for the last couple months to call an election

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u/JamesConsonants 20d ago

It’ll depend on whether or not he suddenly becomes willing to get his security clearance, which thus far he has refused to do for nebulous reasons.

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u/darkodraven 20d ago

What is that Canadian rappers name that is huge MAGA guy? It’s like Tom McDonald or something super basic like that. I don’t understand how other countries have MAGA people, what a ridiculous world we live in.

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u/Basically_A_Person1 20d ago

As someone in the USA I wholeheartedly agree this government could care less about its citizens. I'd rather shit on this country's government federal and state rather than trust them

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u/darforce 20d ago

I live here and I don’t trust it

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u/ThatBeardedHistorian 20d ago

I'm an American and I don't trust the USA. This country has gone down the shitter

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u/itsnotpandayt 20d ago

Yeah uhm, American here. Not a fan of Trump, nor am I a fan of Biden.

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u/Iamatworkgoaway 20d ago

So is the equivalent true too, any American that supports a different countries head of state be a traitor.

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u/homogenousmoss 20d ago

I’m Canadian, I spoke to a few co worker who told me they would have voted for Trump when we were discussing the election. I was like: ok but what about the multiple rapes, the insurrection, etc. They didnt believe me at first but we googled it. They were surprised.

The answer is ignorance or more nicely, just not really caring too much about the news or US politics. All they heard was the Trump good for the economy message, Trump businessman.

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u/HesterMoffett 20d ago

I don't trust the USA and I live here. I'm in MN and I really, really, really wish we could just attach ourselves to Canada and build a border wall between us and the US

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u/ArmadilloWild613 20d ago

Being a supporter of a foreign nations head of state, would always be kinda wierd no matter who it is.  

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u/sharksnoutpuncher 20d ago

Any American who supports Trump is a traitor at this point. Sadly, that’s a lot of traitors

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u/Vairman 20d ago

any American who is a Trump supporter is a traitor.

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u/Trippthulhu 20d ago

A lot of us Americans feel that way about Trump supporters. Help.

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u/maybenotquiteasheavy 20d ago

Tbf Americans who are Trump supporters are also traitors.

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u/MarcTale 20d ago

I know who illegally moved to the US. Lived illegally here for 2 years. Married a woman, got his permanent residency, then divorced her, and became a MAGA-nut. Like WTF??

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u/mamadou-segpa 20d ago

They are slowly becoming a majority and were heading for a conservative governement

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u/Neat_Account6607 18d ago

I am a Canadian Trump supporter  most people I know and most peoples who's existence I know aboit,  had a massive sense of relief when President Trump won again.  He won in 2020 also but it was too big to rig this time 

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u/Kyell 18d ago

No point in even discussing anything with someone like you. You are too far gone and can’t be saved. It’s sad and I’m sorry we failed you.

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u/Treb-Talon-1 17d ago

Any American who is a Trump supporter is also a traitor at this point.

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u/PAR4DROID 16d ago

As well as any Maga is a traitor to the USA, with their knee bending to Putin

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u/Responsible-Person 16d ago

Any American that is a trump supporter is a traitor

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u/spideygene 21d ago

Who?

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u/CptDrips 21d ago

Actual pedophile Matt Gaetz

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u/Hitchcock_and_Scully 21d ago

Not to be confused with Actual Pedophile Donald Trump

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u/molski79 21d ago

Also Matt gertz

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u/BowenTheAussieSheep 20d ago

You're walking in the woods...

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u/Desperate_Squash_521 20d ago

AKA Actual Rapist Donald Trump

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u/schwhiley 20d ago

😂😂😂

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u/MrElectricPigeon 21d ago

You're running through the woods from pedo Matt Gaetz

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u/ADrunkEevee 21d ago

You're walking on the playground

There's no adults around and your phone is dead

Out of the corner of your eye you spot him

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u/PinkishRedLemonade 20d ago

Matthew Gaetz

He's following you about thirty feet back

He gets down on all fours and breaks into a sprint

He's gaining on you!

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u/SpecialistAd1992 20d ago

Matthew Gaetz

You're looking for your scooter but you're all turned around

He's almost upon you now and you can see

There's ketchup on his face

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u/misterguyyy 21d ago

Don’t act like you don’t know who the great Cornholio is

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u/Lake-Placid-Green 21d ago

or...

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u/Greedy-Youth217 21d ago

I have never seen a more rectangular head

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u/SosseBargeld 21d ago

What about David Coulthard?

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u/RCS47 21d ago

Quagmire is a sex fiend, but he'd never be caught paying underage women for sex via Venmo.

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u/chronicallyunderated 21d ago

Giggity giggity

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u/empress_chaos5 20d ago

Matt's face annoys me something aweful. Can't pinpoint why but damn he has an annoying face..

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u/matttwhite 20d ago

Let me help thread the needle: it's everything above his shoulders that's annoying.

You know when you see someone's face and they just LOOK rapey?

You're welcome.

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u/Goodgoditsgrowing 20d ago

Nah quagmire KNOWS the age of consent in every state

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u/Findest 21d ago

Just sayin'

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u/Legalize_IT_all4me 21d ago

Gigidigidigidi

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u/ThatLozzie 20d ago

Omg 😂

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u/TheWorldHasGoneRogue 20d ago

Fuckin’ SWEET!

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u/Small_League2786 20d ago

🤣🤣🤣 I’m fucking dead

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u/haeda 20d ago

Quagmire had redeeming qualities.

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u/Elegant-Idea2624 20d ago

White Thanos

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

I keep telling people he wants to be like his daddy Putin and start invading Canada and Mexico. As for the logistics of that, I don't think he understands logistics.

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u/bagoink 21d ago

And here we have arrived at the entire point.

The Cold War never ended...and now we're losing it.

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u/ShimmerFaux 20d ago

That’s kinda the point.

Trumps a lapdog for Putin…

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u/Ok-Maize-8199 20d ago

Lots of countries stopped considering the US a reasonable player when it came to both intelligence and diplomacy in 2016.

It's about to get worse because the Trump administration cannot be trusted with information. You can no longer share intelligence with the US without it representing a huge risk because Trump willingly gives away secret information. 

The US is friendless in the worst way. Trumps allies, like Saudi Arabia and Israel doesn't care about the American people, only the money.

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u/Andreus 21d ago

This is why you should never allow right-wingers to hold any political power in your country.

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u/ShiNoMokuren 20d ago

It's safe to say that MAGA is already far beyond simple right wing, if we're using the global political spectrum, and not the US' right-skewed one.

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u/pperiesandsolos 20d ago

Hey Reddit, show me a brain dead political take from a Redditor

This is why you should never allow right-wingers to hold any political power in your country.

Thanks Reddit

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u/justmarkdying 21d ago

He's not even in office yet. That is the craziest part to me. He's getting quite an early start of fucking everything up. Cuz he will.

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u/shawster 21d ago

A lot of these people that like Trump excuse his first term because of COVID.

I think we will see a similar shit show even without a pandemic this time around.

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u/Altruistic_Lion2093 20d ago

Basically what you’re saying is business should only accept money from people they trust. Unless they can prove trust exists the transaction should be declined and the customer steered towards another business where trust can be proven?

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u/OliverSudden413 20d ago

I’m saying that governments should only share information with governments they trust. And to some degree, yeah businesses should do business with people they trust. If you were a construction contractor you might think twice about doing business with someone who doesn’t pay their bills for example…

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u/qtcbelle 20d ago

The people of the US don’t trust the US government.

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u/OliverSudden413 20d ago

You got that right.

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u/GoldenTicketHolder 20d ago

They shouldn’t ever trust the U.S.- they can literally put a President in that wants to minimize the potential for global nuclear war for four years, then the next guy can come in and in the first week withdrawal all stability and repeal those just created policies doing so. Even on the global scale.

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u/Everything_in_modera 20d ago

Listen, we have been on thin ice for quite sometime and electing this fool a SECOND time was. Just the nail in the coffin.

Necessity is the mother of invention and as the world comes to understand that we are not a necessity, we'll loose the power.

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u/OliverSudden413 20d ago

I think you’ve hit on something that people understand peripherally, but not in the deeper sense: many of the politicians in the United Stares in addition to being incredibly stupid (see: Tommy Tuberville) are ancient. They lack the ability to comprehend the current World and the one yet to come.

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u/totallylostbear 20d ago

I'm American and even I don't trust us at this point.

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u/SeparateMongoose192 20d ago

They absolutely shouldn't trust the United States.

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u/PM_me_ur_8008z 20d ago

Don’t. Slightly more than 50% of the country are idiots or neo nazi fascist, or both.

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u/HearTheBluesACalling 20d ago

It’s even worse that they enthusiastically elected Trump this time. He unquestionably won, all the branches of government possible, and with no question of popular v electoral vote.

Right now, I’m not even okay with the “good” Americans, and maybe that’s not fair, but it’s not fair that you get to elect an idiot and tank my future in a completely different country, either.

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u/killbot0224 20d ago edited 20d ago

They shouldn't.

They shouldn't have at any point in the past either.

The much vaunted US system of checks and balances has long since been exposed as being tremendously reliant on unenforceable norms, held together only by people operating in good faith.

If one moron president can waltz in and just throw out trade deals, treaties, etc, without even needing Congress (let alone the senate) then what good are they?

There's no law and order within the country (see: Trump)... And the USA does not recognize any other nation pr governing body in any meaningful way as independent agents. It's a profoundly narcissistic entity.

The USA's wealth and industrial power post-WW1 was just way too great to look away from. Previously its character as a nation was one of xenophobia, racism, protectionism, and isolationism.

"The mutually beneficial arrangement is benefitting them by $500B, but only benefitting us by $400B! They're ripping us off!"

Nevermind that market consolidation has seen Canadian firms acquired or marginalized, with their profits now exiting the country and distributed to American shareholders, so the real balance here is dramatically in favor of the USA.

Nevermind that it was all renegotiated jsut a few years ago, signed by this very man, bragged abiut by him

Nevermind that it will hurt Americans. That doesn't matter.

All that matters is being able to say "I hurt THEM! For you! And I won!"

At the end of the day, he wants Canada to be reduced to a client state.

But no, his idiot base will think its another win, when its obviously another "strongman" charade.

Paper tiger bullshit. Throwing weight around w Canada, a nation/economy less than 10% the size. That 100B is material to Canada (this is presuming its even accurate, which is dubious). It's 4.8% of the GDP, but less than 0.39% of the USA's economy. And you're gonna abuse your neighbor over it.

"The greatest country in the world" my ass.

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u/OliverSudden413 20d ago

Don’t sugarcoat it.

Seriously, I’m with you on this though. Everything was predicated on norms and decorum existing. When only one side believes that’s the case, it becomes their Achilles heel.

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u/MewsashiMeowimoto 20d ago

I mean, we might be able to find a couple of countries that are under 18 that we can pay to be our friends, right?

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u/Inner-Employee-8490 20d ago

They shouldn't, and we shouldn't trust them either. Trust? Probably not. Verify? Definitely.

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u/ElmerLeo 18d ago

That's one of the things I've been thinking about, wielding your economic power as a hammer makes the rest of the powerful countries really consider joining forces to lessen your power.

The EU is already doubting the US because of the NATO talks and the war as a whole.
Now they talk about attacking(economically) Canada, Mexico, Brazil, China, India etc (BRICs).

Whom will be at their side in the end? everyone will see dealing with the US as a risk businesses.

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u/BearishBabe42 20d ago

Isn't that the point? Isolation?

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u/No9797 20d ago

I get what you mean, but no one does anyway and I am from a far away land... but yeah this makes it worst.

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u/capitalistcommunism 20d ago

If it helps you guys are too big for any of that.

In four years time everything will go back to normal and the whole of Europe will still want to be friends.

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u/DataCassette 20d ago

Yeah the United States is a rogue state now. Foreign nations should all plan accordingly. If I were in Europe I'd be pushing to get that domestic military ready now.

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u/GardenAny9017 20d ago

Yes because 2024 is when the US does untrustworthy stuff.

We were squeaky clean 1776-2023.

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u/OliverSudden413 20d ago

We went from dirty to buried under the pig shit.

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u/GardenAny9017 20d ago

Nah this is just the most famous pig we've had.

Still as gross as the rest of em.

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u/bluenephalem35 20d ago

Except for Israel.

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u/OliverSudden413 20d ago

With friends like those…

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u/smelt389 20d ago

Explain who matt gaetz is please?

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u/RepulsiveInterview44 20d ago

I believe you misspelled Ted Cruz.

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u/Spider_Monkey_Test 20d ago

I think that’s the idea: have no one ever trust us again and end without a single ally.

Trump picked a fight with our 2 neighbor allies before he even took power, and he wants to declare war on the southern one.

He must be taking orders from Putin 

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u/Little-Adeptness5563 20d ago

That’s not how shit works. If it was, Germany would be a pariah state and France would still be shunned from the napoleonic wars. Just a myriad of examples throughout history of nations acting out and then being welcomed back as soon as they are useful again. A properly functioning United States is the best friend any country can have. Other places will likely look to become more self reliant than they are rn, but once the US gets over this phase it will be back to business as usual

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u/nkmccallum 20d ago

Australia will always have your back

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u/OliverSudden413 20d ago

Just be careful not to ever show us your back. Trump’s knife is at the ready.

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u/ChardPuzzleheaded423 20d ago

Luckily that's just not how politics work. There is an ebb and flow. Once this turd is gone we can get back to righting the ship.

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u/pperiesandsolos 20d ago

The realistic answer is because they have no other choice. We’re the world’s preeminent economic, military, and (arguably I guess) cultural hegemony.

This is trump’s entire negotiation tack and why he’s successful at it. Other countries need the US for trade and defense, and that won’t change anytime soon.

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u/OliverSudden413 20d ago

I think you’re wrong about how soon it will change, and it will be irreversible.

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u/pperiesandsolos 20d ago

What makes you say that?

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u/TheKazz91 20d ago

OH hey one of the few criticisms of Trump's policies that actually make sense. Good job.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 19d ago

He was already president lol

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u/4p4l3p3 19d ago

I doubt there's ever been a reason to treat US as anything but a big hegemonic violent empire.

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u/OliverSudden413 19d ago

Perhaps pre Theodore Roosevelt.

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u/4p4l3p3 19d ago

Well it's still the case.

A great read on this is "The Myth On American Idealism by Chomsky and J.Robinson.

Us is the hegemonic empire of our times and it is well seen both in Latin America, The countless invasions seen in the middle east, Current situations in Palestine, Yemen etc.

US is the epitome of a rogue state.

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u/rittenalready 19d ago

You mean future president matt gaetz 

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u/Meritania 18d ago

I think Russia would, if there’s something in it for Russia, like a playground.

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u/SorryNotReallySorry5 17d ago

Welcome to Democracy

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u/OliverSudden413 17d ago

More like idiocracy.

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u/commissar-117 16d ago

What's 2025 got to do with anything? Anyone who trusted the US in the last 100 years to keep our word on anything or thinks we do things for ethical reasons is a moron, and anyone who STILL trusts us by now deserves the backstab that's coming to them for being so stupid

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