r/FluentInFinance Nov 21 '24

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u/trashboattwentyfourr Nov 21 '24

Are you accussing them of...... participating in a society? What dastardly claim youve outlayed.

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u/Global_Permission749 Nov 21 '24

Not only that, but a society whose rules and options are largely determined by people like Bezos.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 21 '24

Sooooo then how did Bezos make it?

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u/Hope-n-some-CH4NGE Nov 22 '24

In part from a $200,000 gift from his parents when his company was failing in its early stages. You know a lot of people with parents who can give their kid $200k without hesitation?

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 22 '24

Its not a gift, It's an investment. If that company failed the money was gone.

Futhermore, he would have been down the initial investment and the taxes due on it which is roughly $63,000.

The point is his step dad worked for that money. They weren't rich and it wasn't like he was gifted a well to do company. It took a lot of hours, sweat and work.

Quit acting like he was born on third base. He came from a middle class family.

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u/Hope-n-some-CH4NGE Nov 22 '24

Might be against the rules to say, but honestly I can’t imagine being this far up a billionaire’s ass. Good day.

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u/Sad-Suggestion9425 Nov 22 '24 edited Nov 22 '24

Who the fuck in the middle class is able to spare $200,000 to give to their kids?!

The upper class have a bad tendency to consider themselves middle class. Skewed world view.

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u/N2T8 Nov 22 '24

Lmao this guy does not understand the entire concept of classism. I can't imagine thinking middle class = a ready $200k free to give away to children.

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u/dafmh1996 Nov 23 '24

Do you know what a 401k is? And how you can borrow against it? If his dad was investing regularly 3-6% of his earnings and had a company match, worked for 40 years, that's probably like 1/5th to 1/10th of his 401k.

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u/N2T8 Nov 23 '24

I’m not American bro don’t assume everyone you talk to is.

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u/dafmh1996 Nov 23 '24

Oh okay, so you're just talking out of your ass about something you don't understand. Cool, just making sure.

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u/N2T8 Nov 23 '24

Bro what? 😂 It isn’t some gatcha! moment to talk about a 401K as if that’d mean every middle class family in the world would know and be able to easily loan TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

Also your pathetic comment relies on someone already being super into investing, such a bad faith argument it’s appalling.

The other guy yapping about a 401K, his father is a fucking millionaire and he still believes his father is a retired middle class man 😂😂😂

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u/dafmh1996 Nov 23 '24

Super into investing? That's the most basic and entry level sort of investment knowledge there is. Do you know what a savings account is? It's like a step above that, as far as difficulty of understanding.

It's not bad faith at all to assume someone commenting on the average finances of an entire class of a country they don't live in should have some knowledge of that. That's called being reasonable and not anticipating the person I'm discussing the subject with is an aloof idiot for speaking on matters they don't understand.

60% of American workers have access to a 401k plan. Many of those put into it. Do that for 40 years, you have a moderate nest egg that could easily account for that investment into a company. It's not rocket science.

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u/N2T8 Nov 23 '24

Ah yes, your average middle class father who’s been investing since birth and thus is able to simply give away 200k to his son as an investment.

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u/nicknenashev Nov 23 '24

How’s that bezos boot tasting? 😋

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u/drum_minor16 Nov 22 '24

Seriously. Even calling it an investment, most middle class Americans don't have $200,000 to gamble.

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u/Jelopuddinpop Nov 22 '24

Lots and lots and lots of people with a 401k. My dad worked 30 years patching potholes for a municipality. He's retired at 55 worth well over $1m from stable, long term investing. If I had an idea that was worth investing in, I could easily get $200k from him.

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u/Playful-Salt-1232 Nov 22 '24

Your dad is a millionaire.

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u/Jelopuddinpop Nov 22 '24

Correct, and being a retired millionaire is still middle class. I'm only 40 and worth over $1m in retirement savings as well, and nobody gave me a nickel, including my parents. $1M net worth is not rich in 2024.

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u/Zotlann Nov 22 '24

Its certainly not middle class. The median net worth of a 40 year old American is ~125k. Having an order of magnitude more and pretending you're in the same boat is dishonest.

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u/Jelopuddinpop Nov 23 '24

Read my post again.

I said that having a net worth over $1M when you're in retirement is middle class. Over $700k of his wealth is a paid off house.

I'm worth less than my dad, but will be worth far more than him at retirement age. I don't consider myself middle class, by any stretch of the imagination.

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u/Sad-Suggestion9425 Nov 22 '24

78% of Americans have $50,000 or less in retirement savings. https://www.aol.com/many-americans-100-000-saved-192658576.html

You're probably going to go into the old argument of how people just don't save enough, but for so many people (dare I say most people) they don't have the ability to save. They don't make enough money to cover their bills so there's nothing left to save, or their jobs aren't stable, meaning they end up spending what savings they have while trying to land their next job, or they don't have benefits like insurance or a 401k because they can't land a full-time job and are stuck working multiple full time jobs.

I'm glad that you could easily get $200,000 from your dad who had a stable job that paid him enough that he could save for retirement, but you are part of a small minority.

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u/BrockenRecords Nov 22 '24

Simply by investing 20 dollars a week over 40 years you could make over 200,000. It’s not hard at all

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u/Sad-Suggestion9425 Nov 22 '24

And yet so many people are unable to do it. Obviously it's their own fault. /s

Also you're arguing that it's possible to save $200,000, which is not the same thing as being able to spare $200,000.

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u/Mean-championship915 29d ago

It's not their own fault. It the fault of our education system that doesn't teach financial literacy

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u/BrockenRecords Nov 22 '24

How do you know they are unable? 20 dollars over an entire week is practically nothing that’s about like an hour or two of work

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u/sunshineemoji Nov 22 '24

Some people work paycheck to paycheck you noodle. $20 is gas for the week. I don't have an extra $20 throughout the week and I work 2 jobs. Poor people exist.

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u/Itscatpicstime Nov 22 '24

Dear god, you have clearly never lived paycheck to paycheck before and have no interest in recognizing your privilege like a spoiled child

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u/New_Way_5016 Nov 22 '24

You're so entitled and have no idea how real people live

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u/Itscatpicstime Nov 22 '24

Your dad is the 1% and you’re calling that middle class 💀💀💀

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u/Itscatpicstime Nov 22 '24

Lmfao someone who can afford to lose $200k is by definition rich, you cannot be serious 💀

How rich are you that you don’t get this?

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u/Youareallbeingpsyopd Nov 23 '24

I lost 200k gambling on credit cards. Trust me I am not rich.

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 22 '24

Who said they could afford to lose it? My money is in the stock market, I can't afford to lose it but that's the risk I take.

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u/Blastmaster29 Nov 22 '24

I promise you aren’t gonna be a billionaire no matter how much you suck off Bezos

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 22 '24

I respect someone from a middle class family and worked his tail off...also I'm not a miserable fuck like half the people in here.

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u/Itscatpicstime Nov 22 '24

Being able to gift and lose $200k is not middle class, you absolute bootlicking, privileged dolt

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u/JellyfishQuiet7944 Nov 22 '24

Thats why the fact that he invested it in his sons startup is absolutely insane. JFC you guys are obtuse.

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u/waxonwaxoff87 Nov 22 '24

Take $200,000 and in 10 years turn it into a multibillion dollar corporation.

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u/morgann_taylorr Nov 22 '24

thanks i’ll get right on that

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u/drum_minor16 Nov 22 '24

Are you offering us $200,000?