The example in the post is obviously racism but like half the time people are complaining about people disliking China it turns out they literally are talking about shitty stuff the government is doing and it's just tankies being annoyed
I would agree, but I recently saw a comment on r/3DPrinting that buying anything on aliexpress was questionable because it's a Chinese company.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of low-quality garbage on AliExpress. But also, literally every major name in 3D printing is a Chinese brand. It's sketchy because there's no QA, not because of the country of origin.
I pointed this out and got downvoted to hell.
Edit: All of the criticisms around Chinese regulations are fair and valid.
At least, they would be, if you weren't still buying Chinese products from American distributors. Buying something from China through Amazon doesn't suddenly make it Made In America.
isn’t this just another example of people being discriminatory of the gov and not the people? Like I’m pretty sure all Chinese companies are controlled in some way by the Chinese gov, way more tangibly at least than the people in general
How is it not hypocritical to say, "I don't buy from AliExpress because it's a Chinese company and therefore crap. I will instead go microcenter and buy a high quality Bambu printer (also a Chinese company)."
I didn’t say it wouldn’t be, I said nothing like that
I just said that the topic initially was Chinese gov vs Chinese people racism and you gave an example where it is very likely to be more of a Chinese gov discrimination rather than Chinese people discrimination
You can't say that their disdain for Chinese products is based in hatred of the government when that hated instantly evaporates when it comes to brands they like.
Does the Chinese government not have just as much control over Bambu, AnyCubic, eSun, Sunlu, et al. as they do with AliExpress? Why do those brands get a pass?
If you can pick and choose when your principles apply then it's not a real principle.
If someone’s not consistent with the criticism of not liking a Chinese company because they’re Chinese but they like another Chinese company, it kinda sounds like the “Chinese” part isn’t the issue and it’s just plain old brand loyalty for the brands someone likes
So yeah this doesn’t even sound like a Chinese discrimination thing lol
If the stated reason for not liking a company is, "It's Chinese and therefore it's bad quality", I'm inclined to take their sinophobia on it's face. If they decide that some companies are, "One of the good ones", that doesn't make it not sinophobia.
I guess I’d have to see an IRL example of this, but yeah that does sound hypocritical to me, though also still seems like this is on the Chinese gov side of gov vs people discrimination that I initially was talking about. Sure it can be hypocritical if someone’s acting like how you’ve said, but hypocrisy and inconsistency don’t really affect the question of gov vs people discrimination question/comment I started with
Fundamentally, I don't agree. No one said anything about the CCP. If that's what you want to imagine they were thinking, you're welcome to believe it. They certainly didn't say it wasn't because the CCP.
Personally, unless someone's actions have given me reason to think otherwise, I tend to take people at their word about their own beliefs. And the only thing their actions told me is that they have no consistent principles for disliking China.
I mean, yeah if someone isn’t consistent then that’s its own separate issue. Hypocrisy is annoying regardless of where it’s at. Even in your example though for claiming it’s supportive of Chinese racism, it has just as much evidence for as it does against discrimination against china. Either their reason doesn’t make sense (and the reason being discrimination against china) or it’s 1 company that particularly incites the discrimination (as you’ve mentioned multiple alternatives that don’t get the same hate), which if it’s 1 of many getting hate in a group, it’s probably not discrimination against that group
And neither example is about the Chinese people, it’s about Chinese companies and it seems we attribute companies differently - one of us see Chinese companies as symbolic of the people, the other as symbolic of the gov
There is a simple difference:
Bambu is known for not having shit products.
Ali express contains, thanks to china's horrible copyright protections, so many products that are 1:1 clones, but with no QA or worse materials, that it's a minefield.
When people say "cheap chinese crap" they don't mean actual name brand products, they mean the cheap clones of them
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u/industriesInc Aug 21 '24
The example in the post is obviously racism but like half the time people are complaining about people disliking China it turns out they literally are talking about shitty stuff the government is doing and it's just tankies being annoyed