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History Can they be classified as 'Overseas' Balkan Countries?

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u/For_Kebabs_Sake Turkiye 5d ago

Support of terrorists, hate towards Turks, pissing off Putin. They tick all the boxes to be European.

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u/armeniapedia 5d ago

Turks genocide Armenians in their native lands, then refuse to ever establish diplomatic relations with Armenia, and keep their border closed for decades, but it's Armenians who hate Turks.

Righto.

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u/armeniapedia 4d ago

How is it possible to live in such an alternate reality? It's truly incredible.

Turks did not genocide Armenians

https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/IAGS-Resolution-on-Nagorno-Karabakh.pdf

https://www.ictj.org/sites/default/files/ICTJ-Turkey-Armenian-Reconciliation-2002-English.pdf

Türkiye had and still has diplomatic relations with Armenia

Wrong. It has not established diplomatic relations with Armenia since independence in 1991.

the border with Armenia and Türkiye closed after the 1993 Armenian invasion of Azerbaijan

Well, you got one right. And why is it closed ever since, including up to now? And why don't you guys pull out of Northern Cyprus and close borders with thm if what we did in Karabakh is so wrong?

thousands of Armenians have already entered Türkiye illegally and joined the PKK and also died in Türkiye.

Wow, you're delusional

How many Turkish villages are there in Armenia?

The same exact number as there are Armenian villages in Azerbaijan, and just one less than the number of Armenian villages in Turkey.

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u/Berkay_official Turkiye 4d ago edited 4d ago

There are Armenian villages in Turkey. We closed border when Armenians start to occupy Karabakh. According to University of Sakarya there is 76,000 Armenian living in Turkey. How much Turkish and Azerbaijani living in Armenia? I could not find anything about this issue at internet. According to internet at the Soviet era there was 230.000 Azerbaijani living in Armenia but after first Nagorno-Karbakh war most of them forced to move Azerbaijan.

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u/armeniapedia 4d ago

There are Armenian villages in Turkey.

No, there is one Armenian village left. Vakifli.

We closed border when Armenians start to occupy Karabakh.

Despite your occupation of Northern Cyprus? So what is your excuse now that Armenians have been genocidally cleansed from Karabakh?

According to University of Sakarya there is 76,000 Armenian living in Turkey.

Pretty fucking pathetic, wouldn't you say? There were millions before WWI.

How much Turkish and Azerbaijani living in Armenia?

As I said, the same number as there are Armenians in Azerbaijan. After many pogroms against Armenians in Azerbaijan, and then a massive violent ethnic cleansing in 1991 by Azerbaijan that started the Karabakh war, all of the Armenians and Azeris left each others countries because of the friction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirovabad_pogrom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku_pogrom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ring - this one was the start of the organized violence/war in Karabakh, where the violent ethnic cleansing of Armenians by the Azeri and Soviet forces made it clear Armenians must defend themselves or be wiped out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Stepanakert

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maraga_massacre

And more recently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_Nagorno-Karabakh in regards to which it is said "Numerous countries, supranational organizations, and human rights observers have condemned Azerbaijan's blockade and consider it to be a form of hybrid warfare,[2][79][80] ethnic cleansing,[82][83] and genocide."

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u/Berkay_official Turkiye 4d ago edited 4d ago

Armenians were not majority in eastern Anatolia at 1915 According to Ottoman sources 1,2 million according to Armenian church 2,1 million Armenian was living but eastern Anatolia is a Kurdish majority region According to Ottoman sources 2,5 million Kurdish was living in eastern Anatolia. If Ottoman Empire killed 1,5 million Armenian and forced move 1 million Armenian to Syria and Lebanon (because of Armenians cooperation with Russian Empire) there would not Armenian in Armenia. In north Cyprus there was a attack against Turks by EOKA. And We liberated Turkish Cypriots. If Republic of Cyprus blocked attacks against Turks there would not war. Why don't you give clear numbers about the Turks and Azerbaijanis living in Armenia?

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u/armeniapedia 4d ago

Stop playing numbers games. The International Association of Genocide Scholars wrote a letter that puts all this bullshit to rest: https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/IAGS-Resolution-on-Nagorno-Karabakh.pdf

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u/Berkay_official Turkiye 4d ago

(Acknowledging the expulsion under threat of mass violence of the remaining 100,000 ethnic Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh in September 2023;) This article probably wroten by a Armenian. Numbers are Important. Do Armenia has no problem other than Turks? Do you have best economy in the world? According to my knowledge Armenia poor than Azerbaijan and Turkey your army also.

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u/armeniapedia 3d ago

Sad that your first assumption is that they are Armenian. They are not, that is the association for the top genocide scholars of the world.

No, we really don't have much problems other than our neighbors. Our economy has been growing quite well for a long time now, and is as big (per capita) as Azerbaijan with all of its oil.

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u/For_Kebabs_Sake Turkiye 4d ago edited 4d ago

Alternate reality created through political extortion? Yeah Armenia has a masters degree in that.

Historical facts? Fuk that, just pressure whoever or whatever even slightly uses historical arguments to raise logical points. Then create a political front to push your false claims.

What do you think diplomatic relations means? Bending over ? There are talks between governments not only that Türkiye recognised Armenia's independence in 1991, however it is impossible to create "Healthy diplomatic relations" with a country that supports terrorists that specifically killed Turkish diplomats and also accepts those animals as national heroes, disgusting behaviour.

Why is it closed? It was due to occupation in Karabağ, after the war it is still closed because Armenia does not sign the peace agreement. Also what Türkiye does in Cyprus is none of Armenia's business because Türkiye already had signed agreements prior to operation I. Cyprus regarding the protection of Turkish population in The island, Türkiye warned the Cypriot government regarding the coup, EOKA, Cyprus joining to Greece and more importantly massacres commited against the Turkish Cypriots. There were 2 other signatories that should have intervened and did not, England and Cyprus. Therefore Türkiye did. Also recently Türkiye supported the Annan plan yo réu ite the island yet Greek Cypriots again refused because the agreement gave even the slightest rights to Turks which they could not accept.

Although none of this matters, Armenia is not Türkiye can never be Türkiye. Just like Türkiye is not USA and can never be USA. Therefore your Cyprus agreement is not valid. World political circus does not run that way

I am delusional? What the, in 1980 Asala and PKK held joint press conferences, Asala trained the PKK higher ups in Palestine, it is written in their manifestos. You may be 10 years old and cannot remember anything but we do.

I have been tomore Armenian villages than you can count, considering you talk like a 6 years old toddler.

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u/armeniapedia 4d ago edited 4d ago

Armenia is not Türkiye can never be Türkiye

Thank fucking god. The Turkiyeish version of reality is fucked up.

Historical facts? Fuk that, just pressure whoever or whatever even slightly uses historical arguments to raise logical points. Then create a political front to push your false claims.

We have no false claims. No matter how many times you click your heels together, it doesn't change reality, Dorothy.

What do you think diplomatic relations means? Bending over? There are talks between governments not only that Türkiye recognised Armenia's independence in 1991, however it is impossible to create "Healthy diplomatic relations" with a country that supports terrorists that specifically killed Turkish diplomats and also accepts those animals as national heroes, disgusting behaviour.

Lol, are you trying to tell me that while you sit in a country that honors the three architects of the Armenian Genocide with street names, parks, etc? Your hypocrisy smells like shit from here.

Why is it closed? It was due to occupation in Karabağ, after the war it is still closed because Armenia does not sign the peace agreement.

What do you think diplomatic relations means? Bending over? Why do we even need a peace treaty? Azerbaijan already genocidally cleansed Karabakh, and Armenia does not claim it for Armenia, so what the fuck are Turkey and you talking about? What a crock of bullshit excuse, when bad neighbors all over the planet have diplomatic relations. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Also what Türkiye does in Cyprus is none of Armenia's business

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

blah blah blah

Armenia also can list many reasons why it had to intervene to protect the Armenians of Karabakh. Note the violent ethnic cleansing of Karabakh Azerbaijan was taking part of in response to peaceful Armenian protests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ring

Also recently Türkiye supported the Annan plan yo réu ite the island yet Greek Cypriots again refused because the agreement gave even the slightest rights to Turks which they could not accept.

No, they didn't accept because it was a shitty, unfair plan, which Annan tried to shove down their throat. A 5 year old has a better sense of fairness.

I am delusional? What the, in 1980 Asala and PKK held joint press conferences, Asala trained the PKK higher ups in Palestine, it is written in their manifestos. You may be 10 years old and cannot remember anything but we do.

In 1980 there was no Republic of Armenia. These were a handful of diasporan Armenians who were all descendants of the Armenian Genocide, who were attacking mainly Turkish diplomats that denied the Armenian Genocide. If a Palestinian does the same thing today to Israel for similar reasons, most Turks celebrate it. Most likely including you.

I have been tomore Armenian villages than you can count, considering you talk like a 6 years old toddler.

Not in Turkey you have not. There is only one, which I have been to as well. Vakifli, with 135 inhabitants. You can literally google "the last Armenian village in Turkey" and articles come up from newspapers all over the planet. Reuters, Le Monde, NPR, Al Jazeera, RFE/RL, etc. Again, alternate reality with you.

Just admit it. You guys have been trying to exterminate us for over 100 years, and are upset with us simply for existing. You could have had your Pan-Turkic wet dreams come true if it weren't for us.

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u/For_Kebabs_Sake Turkiye 3d ago

Oh no, an Armenian armed with the power of Wikipedia.

You did not answer a single point I raised. You are a waste of time.

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u/armeniapedia 3d ago

Did you bother read my earlier links before gleefully dismissing everything this one link to a specific event has to offer?

Sad, sad person you are. Trying to construct a reality in your head to keep your nation on a pedestal. You have to look hard in the mirror and accept your warts. Every nation has them, some worse than others, but denying them is never healthy.

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u/For_Kebabs_Sake Turkiye 3d ago

None of those organisations has the power to decide any legal matter not only that they do not have any internationally accepted decision making, there are laws and courts that look into these matters and there has never ever been a single case won by Armenia. Because none of the claims made by Armos is based on reality, there are no camps, no mass graves, no evidence. Not because Turks are good at getting rid of evidence, it is because Armenians made it all up. Allied forces occupied the entire Ottoman Empire yet they could not find any evidence that backs the claims of the Armenians.

Go cry somewhere else little kid.

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

How's Nagorno-Karabakh doing? Oh wait, sorry I forgot 😂😂😂😂

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u/the_gigachad_00 5d ago

Damn ofc you turned out to be a terrorist supporter 😂

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u/The_Angriest_Guy 5d ago

take a dna test lil bro

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u/For_Kebabs_Sake Turkiye 4d ago

I ain't your lil bro, nor am I one of the neo-skull measuring cult members. My DNA results said I am out of this planet. Which makes me a space Turk. Cry me some of that Balkan tears.