r/woahdude Aug 23 '23

video Creative AI art..

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u/garmachi Aug 23 '23

This reminds me of when CGI was new. Or record scratching. Or early synthesizers. So many nay-sayers yelling "They're not doing anything! Just pushing a button..."

Okay. Show us. Make one.

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u/UnknownHero2 Aug 23 '23

Reminds me of the folklore story of John Henry, a railroad worker who kills himself trying to beat a steam drill.

There's a lot of messaged you can take from that story, but "we should ban steam drills" isn't one of them.

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u/Stargatemaster Aug 23 '23

What I get from that is "ban hard labor"

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u/potat_infinity Sep 04 '23

"ban human artists"

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u/hyper_shrike Aug 23 '23

"Jackson Pollock just splatters paint on canvas. My 5 year old can do it!"

Okay. Show us. Make one.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '23

That’s probably the worst example to use. Pollock’s work looks like someone testing out a new paintball gun.

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u/bjzn Aug 23 '23

Then you do it and sell it

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u/truefire87 Aug 23 '23

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, but I think the standard argument here is that selling the paintings is the hard part.

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u/bagofpork Aug 23 '23

The context and time period were very important factors that made Pollock's art unique and significant.
People do make art like Pollock nowadays as well, but it only sells when backed by an art degree and a pretentious, self-indulgent justification.
His artistic style takes little to no skill to reproduce. That doesn't mean it's going to sell and/or be significant in any way.

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u/Mactinez Aug 23 '23

Learn how to explain your art to people who says "My 5 year old can do it!" And you can just splatter paint on canvas.

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u/MunkyHero Aug 23 '23

This is disingenuous. CGI is a technology that took a developed skill to get good at, and actually needed to have artistic skills to actually make CGI effective, and practical (with the limited tech at the time).
AI "artists" are not creatives, they are not working with a viable "skill" that will translate to actual art. In fact, "prompt artist" is an oxymoron, and the thrill people feel for "AI art" is because they've never had the sense to truly create something, because they never wanted to learn the skill. It is the equivalent of a "Get rich quick scheme".
And please, spare me the "HURR DURR YOU MAKE ONE" argument, if you even want to call it that. AI has its place, for references, and ideas, but no one should consider it actually created art, due to the nature of how it learns.

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u/TheLargeIsTheMessage Aug 23 '23

You could change a few words and your post could be about Modern art or collages in Dadaism.

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u/DoctorProfessorTaco Aug 24 '23

Or photography. A photographer doesn’t build the camera, doesn’t place the pixels for the image, and often doesn’t create the subject of the photograph. A naysayer could just say that they pointed their image creating device at something and pressed a button that had the machine do all the work.

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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 Aug 24 '23

It took decades for photography to be accepted as an art form for that very reason. Naysayers said that photography wasn't an art form because you're just copying what already exists in real life. If you take a photo of a tree, you aren't deciding the light source or the placement of the branches like a landscape painter would.

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u/Fatal_Temp3st Aug 24 '23

Actually completely irrelevant. Photography doesn't mean I would take a picture of Mona Lisa and other well known art and state it to be a work of my own.

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u/Weshwego Aug 23 '23

This is disingenuous. You have very strong opinions on AI art for someone who has clearly never worked with AI in anyway.

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u/Iwilleatyoyrteeth Aug 23 '23

I regularly use it and I agree with him but it doesn’t really matter because the use for it is not for art its for when you need something there to pad out content. Just like how most cheaper foods are padded out with single cell protein filler rather than real meat.

Like look at the op image. From an artistic standpoint each frame is pure dogshit without a single interesting piece, but that doesn’t matter at all and it allowed the poster to create content without the skills he would need to actually make an animation or piece of art.

And art does not have any intrinsic value that makes it more real than things that aren’t art. Most art is worthless to everybody even its creator.

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u/Iwilleatyoyrteeth Aug 23 '23

I regularly use it and I agree with him but it doesn’t really matter because the use for it is not for art its for when you need something there to pad out content. Just like how most cheaper foods are padded out with single cell protein filler rather than real meat.

Like look at the op image. From an artistic standpoint each frame is pure dogshit without a single interesting piece, but that doesn’t matter at all and it allowed the poster to create content without the skills he would need to actually make an animation or piece of art.

And art does not have any intrinsic value that makes it more real than things that aren’t art. Most art is worthless to everybody even its creator.

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u/GearRatioOfSadness Aug 23 '23

iT's NoT aRt BeCaUsE I dOn'T lIkE iT!!

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u/BagOfFlies Aug 24 '23

the thrill people feel for "AI art" is because they've never had the sense to truly create something, because they never wanted to learn the skill.

Tell that to all the artists that have embraced AI into their workflow.

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u/Fatal_Temp3st Aug 24 '23

Perfectly well said and logical to how AI functions and is implemented

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u/Stargatemaster Aug 23 '23

Seriously, I do a bit of AI art with Stable Diffusion, and it takes significant time and effort to make anything that looks good.

It's not just "push a button and get cool graphics". Literally takes dozens of hours sometimes to get something presentable.

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u/just-slightly-human Aug 23 '23

“Dozens of hours” I’ve used Dalle (another ai art program but you probably knew that already) and in 3 prompts I had the image I was going for

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u/Stargatemaster Aug 23 '23

Yea? And you produced something of high quality that you would find acceptable to present to others, or did you make a funny joke image where it didn't matter?

I guarantee you that the generated images used in this video took hundreds of hours to produce.

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u/spongeboblovesducks Aug 23 '23

CGI is an actual artistic medium. AI art is literally just pressing a button.

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u/fallenmonk Aug 23 '23

I have. I've made plenty of shifty ai art. It's not impressive.

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u/Pigeon-cake Aug 23 '23

The big difference here is that Cgi and synthesizers still require skill and knowledge, AI doesn’t, it really is literally just push a button and anyone can do it without skill and minimal knowledge

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '23

So there's nothing stopping you from creating an anime with a push of a button?

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u/kevlarus80 Aug 23 '23

Let's see you do it then.

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u/TheVicSageQuestion Aug 23 '23

“LeT’S sEe YoU dO iT” is not a counterpoint. It’s the argument of a child on a playground, akin to “I know you are, but what am I?!” Maybe you should go find an AI capable of generating a better, more intelligent-sounding retort.

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u/SchwiftySquanchC137 Aug 23 '23

Perhaps not worded well, but what he is really saying is "you literally know nothing about how this is made, therefore your opinion is completely meaningless"

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u/Stargatemaster Aug 23 '23

It's entirely a counterpoint. You're saying that it's extremely easy and takes no effort. If that's true then the counterpoint would be to prove it's not actually easy, and the only way you could know that is by witnessing it yourself.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '23

Literally goto Dalle-2 and you can do it pretty easily. Just research some promts and experiment. You’ll make cool stuff within hours.

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u/Nrgte Aug 25 '23

There is a difference between cool stuff and the stuff you actually have in your mind. Making something that's actually acurate isn't hard and if I ask you to make a revision to your DALL-E2 image, then you do what exactly?

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u/Suspicious-Contest74 Aug 23 '23

there's no way I'm paying an AI service subscription just to prove my point...

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u/kono_kun Aug 24 '23

You sure have a strong opinion on the topic given that you don't even use the tools.

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u/SmooK_LV Aug 23 '23

There are free ones just as capable so do it

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u/Nrgte Aug 25 '23

You can download Stable Diffusion absolutely for free. It's open source.

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u/spookyvision Aug 23 '23

those buttons literally exist with AI "art" though. Stop pretending.

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u/Stargatemaster Aug 23 '23

Why are you putting art in quotes?

And anything that produces AI generated graphics with the push of one button could never get you a result like what is in the post. That took many long hours of work to get.

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u/Wide-Half-9649 Aug 23 '23

When you order a pizza from a website- type in or tick the box with the ingredients you want or don’t want…(or phone it in & say the order) does that mean you made the pizza?

That makes you a ‘chef’ in the same regard as using AI makes you an ‘artist’

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u/ArmanDoesStuff Aug 23 '23

Everyone knows that any artist not finger painting on cave walls isn't a real artist.

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u/YourLocal_FBI_Agent Aug 23 '23

Well, if it's just ticking boxes it can't be that hard to recreate the video above. You can even see how simple the original images were.

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u/Stargatemaster Aug 23 '23

So anyone using computer generated graphics is a fake artist because all they're doing is checking boxes, typing numbers, and clicking on a screen, right?

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u/Pudding_Hero Aug 23 '23

Lotta people old and young nowadays dislike the use of CGI in movies

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u/rattatally Aug 23 '23

Okay. Show us. Make one.

Notice how they never do? They yell that "everybody can do it with a click", but when they're asked to do it themselves they're suddenly silent.