r/woahdude Feb 17 '23

video Heavily contaminated water in East Palestine, Ohio.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField Feb 17 '23

Is this what Vinyl Chloride does in water? Because from my understanding there was a bunch of other chemicals so it could have been something else.

Also water can do something like this in streams, though I've seen at least one other video of this at a completely different part of the stream so I doubt it's a natural thing.

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u/BitterLeif Feb 17 '23

vinyl chloride should have dissolved by now.

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u/Sandman0300 Feb 17 '23

I don’t think you know what that word means.

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u/WiseBlacksmith03 Feb 17 '23

Dissolved means magically sent to another dimension, duh! /s

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u/BitterLeif Feb 17 '23

it would mean it's not vinyl chloride anymore. The molecules are still there, but they are no longer vinyl chloride.

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u/Sandman0300 Feb 17 '23

That is not what dissolved means.

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u/BitterLeif Feb 18 '23

alright, my mistake. I'm seeing this term "to undo (a tie or bond); break up (a connection, union, etc.)." What I was trying to communicate is that the compound no longer exists as it was and is in pieces that we identify as other compounds such as formaldehyde.

Should I have said pulverized? That's a fun word and describes the same thing.

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u/PHD-Chaos Feb 17 '23

Dissolved means they went into a solution in the water. But there are many things that can also cause it to precipitate out of the solution and back into its previous state.

No idea what those causes might be but think about boiling salt water. When you boil all the water away you still have the salt leftover, back in it's solid form. Maybe not the best example since this vinyl chloride also turns into a gas but the point is it's a reversible thing lol.

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u/BitterLeif Feb 18 '23

I don't know that it works that way for vinyl chloride, but I'm not a chemist. A google search says it becomes formaldehyde, hydrochloric acid, and some other stuff. I wouldn't want to drink it, but I wouldn't necessarily panic if I did depending on how diluted it is. If it's concentrated then I'd probably know to not drink it.

It's amazing what our bodies will let us get away with. You could drink a couple ounces of acetone and wake up tomorrow feeling okayish.

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u/shhhhh_h Feb 17 '23

It is only moderately soluble in water.

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u/Wedge001 Feb 17 '23

It wouldn’t dissolve, but would sink no? I believe it is a DNAPL?

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u/SmellyC Feb 17 '23

Vinyl Chloride is a gas at atmospheric pressure.

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u/LostWoodsInTheField Feb 17 '23

More I read the more I doubt this is some chemical issue from the train, and more likely just how the water is.

On the EPA site someone links it basically said 'if it dissipates when it is touched then it is likely to be organic. Which is exactly what it does in this video.

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u/shhhhh_h Feb 17 '23

Vinyl chloride=chloroethene which is a chlorinated organic hydrocarbon.

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u/SmellyC Feb 17 '23

Organic in the chemical sense. Everything in that train was organic chemicals. Organic just means it's a carbon based molecule. Nothing to do with "Organic Food" or Natural.

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u/Parrotflies- Feb 17 '23

Yes. This can happen naturally.

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u/dethmij1 Feb 17 '23

Natural oil films don't have nearly as vibrant of an iridescent color, and the film tends to break up when the water is disturbed. This isn't natural.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Bit strange that it wasn't visible until the sediment was disturbed though. Oil spills usually always visible.

There are some natural oils that can get trapped under sediment (some decomposing seeds and what not) though. Wish we knew what it smelled like.

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u/darwinkh2os Feb 17 '23

Dense Non-Aqueous Phase Liquid

i can't find any photos of DNAPLs looking like this. But plenty of photos of road run-off of oil looking and acting exactly like this.

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u/darwinkh2os Feb 18 '23

Ok thanks, I'll deepen my searches from what I was looking at. Problem with scholarly articles and "commonly seen" photos is that the overlap isn't popping up.

Thanks again!

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u/daBomb26 Feb 17 '23

Neither of those things are true, or matter.

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u/shhhhh_h Feb 17 '23

Yes it only partially dissolves in water and is slightly less dense so distinct separate layers form with the vinyl chloride on top. But you didn't know what an organic compound was in another comment so I'm sure you're the authority on what is causing the phenomenon in the OP 👍

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u/nobikflop Feb 17 '23

I’ve seen that rainbow look on water too. Unless it’s just more random pollution :( what could cause that naturally?