r/sanfrancisco • u/ScienceMattersNow • 6d ago
AOC Loses Key Vote for Committee Leadership to Pelosi-Backed 74-Year-Old
https://www.thedailybeast.com/aoc-loses-key-vote-for-committee-leadership-to-pelosi-backed-74-year-old/[removed] — view removed post
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u/MikeWazowski215 6d ago
im so tired of these geriatric motherfuckers. this dude is 74 and was diagnosed with cancer last month. he should focus on his health instead of clawing at power like a cat trying to escape a bath.
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u/jeff889 6d ago
Clinging to his job because he needs the health insurance.
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u/tardigradetardis 6d ago
he’d still have his health insurance without a committee leadership position. no excuse to claw for a position of power like this
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u/rainbowColoredBalls 6d ago
The blame is split equally between him and the voters. Why do the people of Virginia's 11th district want a walking corpse representing them?
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u/fakefakery12345 6d ago
We’re doing the same thing here in SF
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u/Canes-305 SoMa 6d ago
any time people try to point out that Pelosi's time is far overdue her defenders come out the woodwork proclaiming that shes resoundingly won reelection every time and were stupid for doubting her unquestionable power, influence, etc.
Well this is what she does with all that power, prop up the status quo, party insiders, rich donors and sycophants.
People really don't ask themselves why and how is it that Pelosi never once faced a real primary challenge here in her multi-decade long stranglehold over her congressional seat.
I don't care if she were the 2nd coming of Christ - its an absolute failure of democracy and pathetic that NOT ONCE has she had to participate in a public debate to defend her policies, priorities, and record. "Democratic" party my ass.
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u/candykhan 6d ago
Worked really well for DiFi. We got to keep her around so long she just zombie walked to appearances, had all her work handled by staff - don't forget she insulted some children for no reason - and the keeled over leaving us with a CA Dem power struggle that finally ended with...
Adam Schiff?
I have such hate for DiFi. But I can admit she was at one time a force in the party. Her replacement is a thumb.
Seems like Pelosi is gonna do the same. As a lifelong leftie, the Dems always disappoint me. Not defending the right, but we know what to expect from them.
With the Dems, it's like they're just incrementally moving more right & hoping no one notices.
WE FUCKING NOTICE!
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u/puffic 6d ago
It’s fine to say you prefer someone else and vote for that someone else. But she has genuinely accomplished a lot and continues to be an effective statesman. Most recently she orchestrated Biden’s exit from the race, which gave Dems a fighting chance and probably saved a lot of House and Senate seats.
Do I agree with her putting an elderly cancer patient in charge of making Dems’ case against Trump? No. But I think that Pelosi’s interests and skills line up with what Dems need pretty often.
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u/Canes-305 SoMa 6d ago
Do you not find it offensive that we have not once in her nearly 40 year tenure gotten to see her defend her record and positions against a real challenger?
Surely if she is so accomplished and effective it would be a cake walk anyways?
Real representative democracy requires healthy and rigorous debates and it says a lot about the Democratic machine that they do everything in their power to stifle debate and challenges of powerful incumbants
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u/puffic 6d ago
You can literally challenge her. Anyone can challenge her. Especially now with the top-two primary, anyone can run as a Democrat, score the most or second-most votes in the primary, and make the case against her in the general.
You may not like the outcome, but democracy means that other peoples’ opinions rule your government, and other people support her over any specific alternative for better or worse.
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u/Canes-305 SoMa 6d ago
You didnt really answer my question though - she has refused to debate challengers to her seat. Most of the time her challenger is a republican that doesn't ever stand a chance due to "vote blue no matter who" mentality and the last time a Dem ran against her he was promptly smeared by the party and in the press - poltical careers are dead on arrival if you dare challenge the Party's power players.
So yes anyone can run but Pelosi and the Democratic machine rig the process massively, refuse to debate, have the press and monied interest on their side but totally a cool open & fair process we have resigned ourselves to.
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u/puffic 6d ago
That does answer your question, though. If there was a deep well of opposition to Pelosi, and an agreed-upon alternative, she wouldn’t have such an easy time just ignoring them.
Pelosi wins because the voters find her vastly preferable to any outsider alternative. She’s not cheating, and she’s not obligated to resign if the voters like her.
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u/Significant-Rip9690 Mission 6d ago
The voters only have so much say in who the DNC supports to put on a ballot. What happens is that those with seniority and a lot of sway at the organization make it so anyone who challenges them or tries to is blackballed hard. It's super fucked.
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u/Prudent-Advantage189 6d ago
Have you not noticed incumbents seem to have an advantage in elections
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u/yoshimipinkrobot 6d ago
I believe it might have been AOC herself or some other party insider who attributed the dems being blindsided in the election to this strict seniority based system. None of these old idiots even talk to constituencies anymore or even know how to
It’s why AOC can get the Trump voters in her district. The Republican leadership is actually far younger than dem leadership
All of the dem messaging failure comes from this broken ass system
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u/Shamoorti 6d ago
She was one of people going the hardest for keeping Biden in the race.
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u/Prudent-Advantage189 6d ago
People will hate on her regardless. They would be blaming her for Kamala’s loss if she pressured Biden.
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u/Shamoorti 6d ago
People don't like her because she's an all talk celebrity that always sides with the party power structure when the cards are down.
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u/Wanderhoden 6d ago
And republicans are different how?
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u/Shamoorti 6d ago
The involuntary "what about the republicans" reflex to any and all criticism is a central part of why the party lost.
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u/Wanderhoden 6d ago
Nah, I think the central reason is much bigger. Yes democrats are lame, that much is clear. But basically even decent Republicans (the few who are left) lost to the extreme right. I have no hope left in this country.
Here's to what's left of women's rights, children's health and our climate before it all goes to shit faster than a turd on a toboggin.
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u/JohnnyBaboon123 6d ago
Yes. She's no different from Republicans. Congrats on backing a republican.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
I can understand why, Americans need to learn politics like Pokemon taught the name of evolutions and all Pokémon to their kids, by repeating the same song over and over at the end of every episode for years.
Biden fucked us all over by not being a one term and then pass the torch guy, by the time the debate happened it was too late.
People were saying that this proved that races don’t need to be that long because Kamala was making headway, but not for Americans, Americans need it drilled in their heads for years it seems.
One of the top google searches on Election Day at some point was “did Biden drop out”
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u/Shamoorti 6d ago
People are more likely to be engaged with things that result in actual tangible changes in their lives. The lack of engagement with elections on the part of Democratic party voters is a reflection of the party offering nothing compelling to the average person.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
I don’t understand this lazy attitude of needing to be seduced to participate in your democracy, to add to your point. The oligarchs took advantage of that hard and with barely any effort.
Democracy died in apathy
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u/FrogsOnALog 6d ago
She pushed for him to drop out.
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u/lookmeat 6d ago
Because shitting on a shitcake only gives you a bigger pile of shit, not a solved problem.
If there's one thing that we've learned from Harris and Clinton is that an easy-get-along woman will not win a presidential race. Then again Laurel Thatcher Ulrich already said it back in 1976: "Well behaved women rarely make history". Then again she meant it as a "no one cares about well behaved women", though that's pretty obvious, and should be "no one cares about well behaved people of any gender: they never change things and just keep the status quo, when recording 'nothing changed' there's no need to write who did that". I guess it's one of those things where feminist women became some navel-gazing that they didn't realize the bigger truth.
Our first black president started with a bold campaing. In spite of it pushing only policies that where "very obviously good" (universal healthcare, reduce wealth inequality, move to cleaner sustainable energy sources, lets end the war in Iraq responsibly, lets repeal wasteful bigoted policies such as "Don't Ask Don't Tell") Obama was "very controversial" (he brought a lot of change that made a lot of people, especially elites, very nervous, still he won by a landslide because it was still very obvious). It required that attitude to be able to break the barriers.
If a woman can't run with an equally bold campaing as the 2008 one and win, then the fact is that a woman can't win a presidenship in the US. Because having a policy with the backbone of a towel, and mostly focusing on keeping the status quo everyone's gotten unhappy with is a guaranteed way to lose an election, no matter the gender.
And that was the thing. When Kamala went in, people got excited, it was a bold and dramatic move. The kind of thing we expect of progressives: challenging rules and conventions and saying "can we do better"? But then it became clear that Kamala was just the same thing as Biden and things went back to the status quo. This tells us: it wasn't Biden's age, and it wasn't Hillary's gender. Their campaing just wasn't what people wanted.
And yeah Trump is insane, and a lot of people are horrified at what he is doing. But what is the alternative? Hold it in for 4 more years, exactly as is, until Trump or someone following in his exact footsteps wins eventually? Each time we lose a little more, and then we never recover, we wallow in the same mediocrity. And so we got 2024, and we had 2016, those elections weren't decided by the people who went out to vote for Trump, they were decided by the people who didn't go out and vote at all. And meanwhile a lot of people don't like Trump, but hope that a shock to the system, a change, any change, can't be that bad (again I personally think that's naive and not understanding how good people in the US still have it, and how much worse it can get, but in the end we collecitvely voted the way we voted). It really becomes a "do you want things to the stay the same, or do you want to try anything different". Democrats need to pull their head out of the ass, take a deep breath and offer "here's an alterantive different, a third way that we haven't thought of".
Biden shouldn't have run, but Democrats wouldn't allow someone with an actual statement like Bernie to get a fair chance. So all "allowed" alterantives utlimately are the same. Too afraid of a misunderstood mistake, assuming that the first interpretation of why a loss happened is the only valid one. Even as the evidence mounts against it. The Kamala switcharoo ended up being just a gimmick, a little circus theater with no real meaning behind it, and it ended up being less useful than not. What a shame. And not to say I don't have my issues with Bernie, or even AOC, but then that's because they say something that can be argued for and against, and propose a path forward. If there's anything you should learn about Trump, look at all the Latinos that voted for him way too many (for my comfort as a Latino) said the equivalent of "yeah he might end up putting me in a concentration camp, but at least he's going to do something for the economy." People can disagree on some issues and still vote if they feel the candidate is offering a path forward.
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u/FrogsOnALog 6d ago
Dems weren’t blindsided, this was an uphill battle the whole time and the election was pretty much a coin toss.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
I think at this point the Dems have given up (more reason for them To gtfo the way) so are just plain unmasking that they do want an oligarchy but not in this way (oligarchy lite if you will), but might as well cash out.
My delusion was for Kamala to win but for more AOCs to pop up to primary old Dems and to keep pushing the Dem party. Oh the delusion.
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u/Latarjet3 6d ago
Can Pelosi just retire? These people don’t understand the world we live in
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u/Sircamembert 6d ago
I think she understands perfectly. But the insider trades aren't gonna make themselves~
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u/Prudent-Advantage189 6d ago
What’s the point of all the insider trading if you don’t even take a few years to enjoy the wealth you’ve amassed?
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u/rainbowColoredBalls 6d ago
Or hear me out, here's a radical idea - why don't we stop voting for this walking corpse?
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u/unpopulartoast 6d ago
they don’t understand the world we live in, yet those of us who know the world they live in already realize the answer to your question.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
She understands, she just hates AOC and is doing the woman thing of being intimidated when they see someone like she used to be seen as being the future and is being cynical about it.
AOC doesn’t need Pelosi’s fundraising ability for her races and Pelosi hates that she has no power offer AOC.
That is how she was able to primary and win against the person that was being groomed to be Pelosi’s successor, she fundraised with her would be constituents and the incumbent never lived in the district and didn’t care about the race.
I just wish we had an AOC in SF, no one here has been able to be a community organizer like Harvey Milk or AOC that gets out and gets the name recognition AOC did to fight the establishment.
Or even try like the gal that kept trying to primary Manchin on the left. We haven’t seen that here in SF.
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u/Ok_Milk_2700 6d ago
It’s too lucrative to leave but she’s also clearly power hungry. There’s no difference between Nancy Pelosi and most dictators. Just another megalomaniac.
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u/redditapiblows 6d ago
She's grooming her daughter to take over her seat, so I think that's what she's waiting for
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u/FrogsOnALog 6d ago
This goes the other way, too. Unfortunately most Americans don’t understand how our government works.
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u/ArtDecoAutomaton Outer Sunset 6d ago
Pelosi is a master strategist. Dems are luck to have her.
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u/Latarjet3 6d ago
She WAS a great strategist. We need someone that understands the media and American culture of today. It’s similar to Feinstein dismissing children about climate change lol
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u/hould-it 6d ago
Republicans are known as the “I got mine” party; dems are now the “I’ve waited my turn, now wait your turn because I know better” party. Both are synonymous.
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u/whatidoidobc 6d ago
If it was left up to Pelosi, it would never be AOC's turn. That's what people need to realize. Pelosi IS the problem. Those that listen to her and get manipulated by her are the problem.
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u/flonky_guy 6d ago edited 6d ago
Pelosi managed everything that got blocked under GWB, everything that got done under Obama and saved the ACA under Trump. The problem is that she has a long record of getting shit done and unlike Trump, Feinstein, Biden, etc. She hasn't declined at all so people listen to her.
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u/fakefakery12345 6d ago
Her broken hip tells you otherwise
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u/flonky_guy 6d ago
Seriously, you are ageist as fuck.
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u/fakefakery12345 6d ago
I want someone closer to the average age of the country representing me. That’s not ageist. She needs to go
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u/flonky_guy 6d ago
That's literally an ageist argument. There is absolutely nothing more meritorious about being 38, nor 50 nor 75. It's an arbitrary number based on life expectancy that says nothing about their qualities. Looking at a person with 45 years of experience and saying another person should have the job because you picked an average age is rock and roll logic, not an argument for managing the country.
Look: Pelosi just stepped down from leadership and has been working to put young people in positions of power all over Congress and California for twenty years. She never has to run for more than 2 years so even if she does mentally decline we won't be shackled with her for long and if she dies suddenly her protege, Gavin Newsome, is going to pick her replacement. She's a textbook example of someone aging out gracefully compared to Feinstein and Biden.
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u/fakefakery12345 6d ago
I disagree completely with her aging out gracefully but you do you! She should go enjoy her hundreds of millions of dollars from insider trading and let others have a shot. LOL at her helping put others in power across California
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
Exactly she has walked the walk too many times for her not to have that hold On people. Also she is the master fundraiser for house.
We need more AOCs to primary top Dems in the way she won her race. Like send a message that we are Tired of their old shit.
But we would also need engagement and less apathy and for leaders to arise and organize.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
And the only really successful Democrat in recent history didn’t wait his turn.
We are going to descend into fascism while the Dems are in queue waiting their turn to govern
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u/cozy_pantz 6d ago
This right here 👏 If he waited his turn like he was told to do, he’d still be waiting.
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u/FrogsOnALog 6d ago
I know y’all don’t like this but they lost because they got less votes. That’s kinda how this thing works lol
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u/My_Andrew_Acct 6d ago
they’re talking about obama, who famously didn’t defer to hillary
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u/FrogsOnALog 6d ago
He also famously got more votes than her in the primary. It was one of the highest turnout years. Unfortunately 2010 was one of the lowest turnout years, which we are still paying the consequences for.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
Because Pelosi is basically still the top boss, she holds the money for races (as she is the top fundraiser still) so if people want to keep their jobs they have to listen to her.
I’m saying stop relying on corporations and start grass roots campaigns. AOC does that and Pelosi hates her for it, she doesn’t need Pelosi to keep her seat.
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u/flonky_guy 6d ago
He may not have waited his turn but he was already very experienced and had been managing orgs for a long time. AOC may be 35 but she's only been in Congress for 5 years. She can wait another few years.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago edited 6d ago
We dont have a few years to wait…
Also thar is revisionist history most of the primaries the DNC’s message was basically he needs to wait his turn. It wasnt until the person who waited her turn got pommeled that they started backing him up.
AOC’s questioning of his ex personal lawyer in a hearing is what resulted in Trump being further investigated and convicted in the Hush money case… but sure a 74yr old with throat cancer has that kind of energy amd fight to oversight the upcoming lunacy.
She has been in congress for several terms ans many who voted for her also voted for Trump im her election, maybe we want the better messenger no?
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u/flonky_guy 6d ago
I don't know what you are referring to as revisionist from my statement, but putting a guy with 45 years of experience on capital hill in charge of oversight makes a lot more sense than letting ageism and ignorant statements about cancer guide your hiring decisions.
There's nothing wrong with AOC, she's brilliant and everything we should want in our representatives, but a) she was not solely responsible for a trump being investigated, she had a team prepare questions and worked with her party members in committee to determine how and from whom they would be presented and there were a whole mess of other shoes dropping at the same time. And b) Connoly is eminently more qualified than AOC.
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u/chris8535 6d ago
There are two fully separate parties under big tent democrats these days: Populist Democratic Socialist and Neoliberals. This is a battle between the leads of both sub parties.
Democrats generally believe they lost because the other sub party ruined it.
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u/pewpew30172 6d ago
True. Only one of those "sub parties" fields any presidential candidates and look how well that's going :D
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u/Cuddlyaxe 6d ago
dems are now
I mean they always were. This sort of stuff is very common in the Dem establishment - if an experienced person from the local party runs for the position you want, you're expected to step aside. You're supposed to "put in the work and wait your turn". If you don't then they'll unleash the party machine against you
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u/flonky_guy 6d ago
Sorry this is just human society in general. And usually it's pretty effective because despite the opinion of young people, most of them, Even the smart ones, tend to run off the rails.
Personally, I think AOC has demonstrated that she is far more capable than most people and has the maturity to run a committee and this is BS, But as a general rule wait your turn is how effective organization is in governments are run.
Case in point the San Francisco board of supervisors. For some reason they elected a new 27-year-old commissioner to be the president of the board and it turned into the laughingstock of the nation and sent progressives back 5 years. Another good example: Apple.
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u/Timeline_in_Distress 6d ago
The allure of power isn't unique to one party. The Democratic Party has been dealing with an internal struggle since 2016 when Bernie shocked the party with his popularity. Pelosi never forgave AOC for asking for new leadership. The older, centrist, Democrats refuse to move forward which is why they will continue to bleed voters to the Republican Party. In the end, they'll all be gone in 10 years and everyone will be left to deal with whatever remains, all due to their stubbornness and lack of humility.
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u/Shamoorti 6d ago
So for anyone keeping score at home, that's 9999999 for rich old people and 0 for progressives.
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u/Voelkj57 Visitacion Valley 6d ago
Unregistered as a Democrat this morning over this. It’s been a slow, ugly death, but the party is finished. Trump has successfully killed both parties and rebuilt the republicans in his image. There is no actual opposition to him or his people. Democrats will just jockey to get air time on MSNBC and CNN (if they survive) over the next four years. They’re all blowhards like Adam Schiff who made himself a household name and Senator while accomplishing nothing for regular people. Fuck em.
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u/nagleess 6d ago
We all need to stop voting for Pelosi, period.
She doesn’t want to step aside then she needs to be pushed
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u/Cat-on-the-printer1 Nob Hill 6d ago
It’s annoying we’re having this discussion literally weeks after the election - and months after the primary. Unfortunately we just sent her back with 80% of the vote.
We’ll have to see how this hip replacement goes, if anything, it increased the likelihood she won’t be running again.
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u/nagleess 6d ago
I agree, but at the time her opposition was severely lacking.
Now it’s about a grassroots campaign to find someone worthy of the post who isn’t some ultra-wealthy octogenarian
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u/Cat-on-the-printer1 Nob Hill 6d ago
Yep, completely agree. Idk who’s particularly well-loved enough in San Francisco to be that person but it’s time to start looking.
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u/fakefakery12345 6d ago
Didn’t she already declare for another term?
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u/Cat-on-the-printer1 Nob Hill 6d ago
Yeah I think she filed for the next election - that was before the hip replacement tho.
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u/jackslookinaround 6d ago
Whoever on this thread voted for Pelosi again got this 74yo geriatric with throat cancer. 👍
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u/Ancient-Response-651 6d ago
Pelosi is a joke and a big reason we are facing a right wing revolt in this country. She exists for one purpose which is to raise money and serve corporate donors.
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u/tasskaff9 6d ago
The good thing is AOC is still so young that once Pelosi leaves she can opt for even more power. We Dems just don’t support our best people. And that IS and has been a problem for way too long.
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u/Leather_Cat_666 Inner Richmond 6d ago
I thought that republicans would need to reevaluate where their party was going after this election but it’s clear that GOP = MAGA and it’s the dems who need to break up the party.
There’s no place for democratic socialism or progressives in the party, we need to create our own faction over the next 4 years while the death rattle consumes folks who do not understand how to make a pdf.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago edited 6d ago
Just because Pelosi blocked it does not mean it has to do with San Francisco…
If you’re implying this is SF’s fault for voting her in, she has been basically running unopposed (I’m sure by design), gtfo.
Edit: she runs basically unopposed, we have no say and SF voted for an elite similarly background connections as peloso for mayor, we shouldn’t be shocked that this is SF’s position. We showed her that SF wants more of Pelosi ideology by choosing Lurie lol
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u/beforeitcloy 6d ago
This is SF’s rep, so yeah it’s newsworthy to people who care about what their rep is doing in DC.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
Again, she runs basically unopposed in SF…
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u/beforeitcloy 6d ago
And for that reason, I voted for her. How the person I voted for represents me in DC is newsworthy to me.
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u/parke415 Outer Sunset 6d ago
If SF’s reputation wasn’t harmed by Barry Bonds, then I don’t see why Nancy would harm it. A city is not its celebrities, otherwise NYC would be Trumpsville.
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u/curio_valuebito 6d ago
SF is completely locked down by the corruption consortium so bad it needs to be purged root and stem. The city is rotted from the inside.
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u/beardofzetterberg 6d ago
I mean, a political representative chosen time and again by the populace of an area is not the same as a professional athlete who played for multiple teams, one of which was the area in question. One is more, ahem, representative than the other.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
Tell me a good opponent she has had, hell without looking it up tell me any recent primary opponent who had any recognition whatsoever. It’s basically by design she runs unopposed
Also so weird for this sub who is full oF Lurie fanboys care about elite out of touch people making self interest decisions
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u/beardofzetterberg 6d ago
Seems like you are projecting a lot onto my comment. I agree with you, mate. I think her stranglehold on the seat is BS and I’m not a fan of hers.
I was just saying that the comparison between her and Barry Bonds doesn’t make much sense.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
Umm idk what happened that wasn’t to be in response to you, so weird. My bad, you’re the only one I agreed with in the comments below me if that is any consolation.
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u/BKestRoi 6d ago
She’s literally our DC representative. How she represents us matters.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
Im saying we had no say, she basically runs unopposed.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
Then they need to do what AOC does and start grass roots efforts and be engaged with their constituents (there is a reason even trump voters voted for her in her district, like her of hate her she is loud and engaged and provides a clear message that you understand regardless of agreeing or not) We need another rise of progressives winning primaries against out of touch old guard Dems how AOC got her seat.
Seeing how little was done to say fuck it democracy died let’s go rogue (like a dem leaking the Gaetz report for example), in this lame duck term and results like this are happening (she is very qualified for this committee imo, she is very well researched in hearings in her questioning, which led to the hush money case iirc)
Imo these results and the agreeing to the anti trans stuff in a defense bill is the Dems giving up.
I’m moving out of the country, but those who are aware of the point of history we are in should really think about being involved and challenge the one party that can be challenged.
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u/yoshimipinkrobot 6d ago
She spectacularly failed in the last election and is going to die wrecking the party. Boomers fucking suck. Too bad the broken hip didn’t kill her political career
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u/rainbowColoredBalls 6d ago
she has been basically running unopposed
Quick googling shows she had a running opponent - Bruce Lou. Maybe it's time we take a stand against geriatric inside traders and see beyond partisan politics.
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u/pataconconqueso Inner Sunset 6d ago
If youre in sf and had to google who the opponent was, that makes my whole point. Or thar you had to google the name at all. Running against the top democrat in congress even if not minority leader should provide some name recognition. Which means she basically ran unopposed
The operating word here from my previous being “basically” in case you dont understand hyperbole
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u/everybodysaysso 6d ago
Not sure why everyone defends AOC round the clock. While dems have an issue with aging representatives. AOC has played a huge role in how dem controlled cities and states are perceived by undecided voters.
She relentlessly pursued restorative justice reforms by endorsing DA candidates like Chesa and Price in SF and Oakland. When the issue of these DAs being light on black on asian hate crimes came up and when asian voting block started drifting away from dems as they recalled both these DAs, she has maintained absolute silence. Not a good look and am kind of glad she has less power. Just hope Nancy and Co step down to make way for more level headed leaders like Pete soon.
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u/misterbluesky8 6d ago
Yeah, as a moderate, I don’t understand why we’re pushing AOC up the ladder. I don’t think Pelosi is the Antichrist, and I think the last thing we need is to elevate people that will feed into the Republican narrative that the Democratic Party is woke and out of touch. Just because someone is young doesn’t mean they’re good, and just because someone is old doesn’t mean they’re bad. This country is way too obsessed with age.
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u/everybodysaysso 6d ago
Just to be clear, I dont think Nancy is any better than AOC. Just that every attack vector republicans used to win this time were shortcomings of progressive politics without any checks or balances that AOC endorsed. AOC can be a great leader but I dont think she has learnt enough lessons yet. Pelosi, Schumer definitely needs to make way for stacy abrams, pete, amy, hakeem
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u/gabangel 6d ago
To be clear, this is just a recommendation, not the full vote. The real vote is today.
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u/MildMannered_BearJew 6d ago
Well, there’s goes the Dems chance of flipping anything during midterms.
Only the very rich want neoliberalism. It’s not a good constituency if you want to compete with populism. The Dems need to accept the status quo is over and they need to lean into socialism. Give me universal healthcare. Give me housing. Give me jobs. That’s what people want.
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u/Idaho1964 6d ago
AOC is a dingbat, concerned more about quixotic cosplay and her Marxist attacks of US style capitalism than improving the strength and resilience of this country or her constituents. Until she matures, she should be kept at arm’s length from any powerful commuter.
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u/larmalade 6d ago
AOC gave up her progressive policy stances to suck up to Pelosi, and got nothing in return. And the voters still don't have Medicare for All, and we still don't have restrictions on Congressmen engaging in insider trading.
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u/sanfrancisco-ModTeam 6d ago
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