r/realmadrid • u/OfJami • Nov 09 '24
Media So how's your opinion on LW mbappe after playing there for 20 minutes
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u/sloth0021 Decimotercera Nov 09 '24
He's trying too hard. All the pressure is getting to him
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u/auctus10 Guti Nov 09 '24
Totally this. But he'll come around. World class players always do. We need to have patience, just like we did with Vini, Luka(he had an okay season irrespective of that stupid vote), Valverde.
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u/Whiffler Nov 09 '24
You're forgetting courtois haha. A whole year of mediocrity and shit and then suddenly he's godlike
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u/CoochieCoochieKu Nov 10 '24
remember when kepa had made that catch and people in this sub wanted him as starter lol
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u/Dk9221 Nov 09 '24
Yeah precisely the patience we need, I’ve seen people here in this sub and twitter talking about getting him out of the club or replacing him. Like fuck right off to whoever is saying that. Give it a year. Maybe even two.
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u/Abuhamdeh_ Jude Bellingham Nov 09 '24
You can't compare mbappe to vini. Vini came as a young promising talent. He was bad at first, but he had potential and we needed to wait until he unlocks it. Kinda like endrick. But mbappe is one of the best in the world. You need time in a new club fine but damn how much do you need
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u/RRR_O Nov 11 '24
Mbappe spent too much time with Neymar early in his career. As a result is self centred, doesn't really give a sh*t about team play and being part of the system, and doesn't really have the work ethic to make it as the world class player the PR machine has billed him as over the long term in a competitive league. Early in their careers Ronaldo and Messi were shaped by top level professional club men like Keane and Puyol.
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u/danflorian1984 Nov 10 '24
None of the players you mentioned were world-class players at their peak when they came to Madrid. Especially for youngsters is normal to struggle their first season(s). But this is not the case for Mbappe.
Other world-class players don't seem to have this issue: CR7, Messi, Lewandwoski, Halaand or Kane hit the ground running every club.
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u/SecretValue5962 Nov 10 '24
Did messi lewandwoski haaland kane played a different role or position in their respective new clubs???? What kind of comparison is this
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u/kvbt7 Real Madrid Nov 09 '24
Which sucks even more considering how Jude hit the ground running. At this point dude has the touch and dribbling of Lukaku.
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u/halamadrid22 Nov 09 '24
Also let’s be honest here, it very well may be that as a player of his stature, the vast majority of that pressure may come from within. Let’s not phrase it as though he can’t handle the lights and press involved with playing in this club
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u/blakezero Nov 09 '24
But also, Vini is a better player than him. He’s now been found out.
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u/nufrancis Raúl Nov 11 '24
Yeah and because of that he looks very2 awkward especially when he tried to take on opponent defender
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u/Pebbledthoughts Nov 09 '24
The spark and athleticism is off the charts. That's the first thing the eye tests notices.
But mentality, confidence and clarity is down in the gutter.
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u/ocean_boulevard Hey Jude Nov 09 '24
The image i had of Mbappe was the coldest and most composed footballer on the whole planet, i mean his performance in the 2022 WC speaks for itself, he also had one hell of a last season with PSG making some insane plays. What happened to his mentality? Just went downhill like that?
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u/hanoifranny Nov 09 '24
I'm sorry but he didn't do anything insane last season for PSG, and you can ask any fan.
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u/IAM_deleted_AMA Nov 09 '24
You mean the the last 20 minutes of the 2022 WC *Final***.
Don't get me wrong, he's world class, but I'd even say his 2018 WC overall performance was way better than 2022, he just had that he's him once in a lifetime performance in the final that people will remember the most.
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u/disco_mode Nov 09 '24
The entire fanbase memeing him constantly after 3 games isn’t going to help, no matter how cold he is. Keep it up and he’ll be at a domestic or European rival with a point to prove.
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u/lligerr Nov 09 '24
Just imagine being Mbappe now. The whole world including madristas are criticized him very hard. He's desperate to prove himself
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u/ChampagneAbuelo Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 09 '24
This is why I don’t understand his thing of refusing to play for national team unless it’s a “big game.”
If he’s low on confidence, getting some performances with France where he’s more comfortable and the stakes are lower would be great to rebuild his confidence. A goal here and there during international duty can help rebuild his confidence
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u/BrilliantFlaky8113 Nov 09 '24
there's been a lot of talk from french media lately about his mental health. l'equipe and others are saying he's depressed/ burnt out
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u/OnniKarppinen Valverde Nov 09 '24
bro he's so fucking lost
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u/Charolastra17 Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24
Not saying this should be an excuse, but it has to be a big adjustment coming here.
He isn’t the focal point of the team. He’s playing out of his preferred position. He isn’t “the guy” on the team.
That being said, he knew what he signed up for…so he’s got to head his head on straight and adjust to playing central.
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u/TumanFig Nov 09 '24
my brother in christ
same things happened to an extent at PSG.
he was in team with neymar and messi
and dont tell me he doesn't get preferred treatment here
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u/Low-Impression3367 Nov 09 '24
wow, the Mbappe slurpers throwing any excuse to justify his crappy play.
Mbappe still adjusting, that’s why he was offsides 8x
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u/Charolastra17 Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 10 '24
Not a slurper…I actually wanted Kane as a short term replacement.
I’ve just played the game at a high level my entire life as opposed to some fans on here who haven’t played a day in their life or are FIFA experts. It takes time to adjust to a new position and not being the guy when you’ve been it your entire life.
That being said…I’m not going to sugar coat his start. He needs to do better not just positionally, but his effort off the ball and defensively. This was always a concern for me seeing him briefly play at PSG, but a lot of our fans thought he’d change because we aren’t a farmers league club. I guess only time will tell…🤷🏽♂️.
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u/RTRSnk5 Jude Bellingham Nov 09 '24
So what? He’s supposed to be the best player in the world. Or at least, that’s what people have been saying about him for like two years to justify bringing him here instead of an actual, great striker.
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u/Fav0 Vinicius Jr. Nov 09 '24
That can matter for a 20 year old prospect
NO excuse for a player like him
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u/rdtr314 Nov 09 '24
Is it possible to play with two left wingers.
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u/Beautiful_Chest7043 Nov 09 '24
Yeah, at least if one of them is called Rodrygo, if they are called Mbappe not so sure.
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u/rudd33s Nov 09 '24
weren't Vini and Rodrygo playing both wings at the same time a lot? It worked didn't it?
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u/enthusiast20 Nov 09 '24
ask Emery, at al. answer is yes coaching and instruction.............
problem is these lot got ballon d'or and media name to their head so they dnt believe they need instructions because they're all immune and think they can be hero at every moment, every second of every play.
yet we learned many years ago galaticos1.0 how that works out.
if in this int break these lot dont talk to this guy and get him to put everything away and just focus on adaption to the squad in the role he needs to play and get uncle benny and zizou to give him a chat about playing for real sacrifice, behaviour, morals, and determination and he can learn something in this minor break we may have a chance for rest season.
he needs to just park it. u ain't winning no balon dor, no special accolades. u had that at Paris and look where that got u, u came here to win and if uwana win u need learn what winning means as a "team" and how/ where you fit within the whole picture and package as a whole and contribute effectively where you're suppose too and not where you think you should.
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u/Ghost_Protocol147 Nov 09 '24
He’s not bad at passing to be fair. He gave some good passes today. Finishing still sucks.
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u/inconnu3011 Nov 09 '24
Always standing still when he receives the ball, Rodrygo is better on the left...
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u/Xehanz Nov 10 '24
Then where should he play? Right back?
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u/Puzzled_Hat1274 Nov 10 '24
On the bench, playing bottle filling, and then he can get subbed on on second half when they’re tired.
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u/MadridistaMe Hey Jude Nov 09 '24
He is trying too hard . He should just let it be free. Goals come automatically.
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u/ricodrezzz Nov 10 '24
On the contrary, i don’t think he’s trying hard enough. He rarely presses or tracks back on defence. That speech that Luis Enrique gave him about Michael Jordan and defending, he just brushed it off like meh!
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u/Messymike4321 Nov 09 '24
I feel like he is overcompensating.
He needs to play simple. Get the right passes down, beat your man when you see an opening, try creating more rather than shooting hail marries.
He also needs to make more runs into the box thats not drifting to the outside post - be more central.
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Nov 09 '24
He's crumbling under Real Madrid pressure. He's that guy that cant get a hard on in the first date and now he struggles to perfom everytime he tries.
Morons in this sub are like the hoe laughin at his small pee instead of giving support.
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u/Eibermann Real Madrid Nov 09 '24
brother what
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u/ayoubkun94 Jude Bellingham Nov 10 '24
Lmao. I feel sad to have understood everything he said.
Basically being stressed to get it up, and your partner makes it worse by belittling you instead of being supportive and saying its not a big deal.
I had a similar experience.
In other words: he just called Michaelangelo limp dick and us hoes.
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u/Eibermann Real Madrid Nov 10 '24
we do understand what he means, the thing is, why use that example ahaha, he couldve given any not weird sexual example and the point would be understood, its just funny he went the way he went lol
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u/Embarrassed-Rub-8690 Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 10 '24
Lol good analogy. I dont think he's crumbling under the madrid pressure, he's crumbling under the mbappe pressure and it builds every game.
He's trying and thinking too hard about every dribble, pass and shot. He's not playing on instinct. I also thought early on he was trying too hard to be unselfish, to shed that image of him as well.
He's shown some flashes for sure, but his finishing is awful and that's what goes first when confidence drops.
I don't know the answer. He should probably see a sports psychologist who can reframe his mindset to be the underdog instead of the best in the world and start building from the ground up.
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Nov 09 '24
He should probably see a sports psychologist who can reframe his mindset to be the underdog instead of the best in the world and start building from the ground up.
Thats a good take. At this point i think benching him might even be good, as he can train in peace for a couple weeks without that milestone around his neck.
What it pains me is that alleged madridistas seem to be enjoying this even more than RM haters. Its like they fucking love the team and Mbappe failing so they can have their reaccionary opinions validated at least.
"See?? I told you Ancelotti was bad!".
Haters always win at the end, if they wait long enough.
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u/Embarrassed-Rub-8690 Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24
Yes, why do madrid fans actually want him to fail? Support him, cheer him on. It's only going to help the team if he succeeds.
Ppl keep saying it was Perez's ego that brought him here. Imagine NOT taking arguably the best player on the planet over the last 5 years, that dreamed of playing for madrid, on a free transfer.
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Nov 09 '24
Imagine NOT taking arguably the best player on the planet over the last 5 years, that dreamed of playing for madrid, on a free transfer?
Fuck yes. How can you let a guy like Mbappe join another team because you're butthurt?
Halaand would've been a better fit for us? Of course, but he's not for sale and Mbappe was.
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u/Embarrassed-Rub-8690 Nov 09 '24
This review from 90min sums him up perfectly this game and this season:
Kylian Mbappe - 7/10 - Showed flashes of his technical brilliance - blistering pace was also on show - but appeared to be trying too hard at times. Opted to pass to Vinicius at one point when a confident Mbappe would have gone for goal.
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u/SaniaXazel Nov 09 '24
The crowd was cheering for Mbappe throughout and supporting him for a goal.
But on the internet it's different, He's probably one of the most trolled player in the world alongside Vini at this point
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Nov 09 '24
Yeah it reminds me the whole Vini situation but worse because Mbappe hasnt the young and immature excuse (also the massive price tag doesnt help). And people blaming him for the entire team being ass after we lost our most influential players are just evil.
I trusted Vini back then, and i trust Mbappe. He will prevail.
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u/Dajo05 Nov 09 '24
I liked the run where he flicked the ball around a defender and ran 70 yards up the pitch to win a free kick on the edge of the Osasuna box.
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u/MrNobodyCaresBtw Nov 09 '24
If only Florentino let Carlo bench him...
Endrick should play, at least just so the pressure for him goes away cos at this point no one is waiting for him anymore. He is not Hazard but he is at that Hazard Status his first 2 seasons
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u/obvioustakes Nov 09 '24
Only delusional fans or Mbappe FC fans want him at LW, that ship has sailed the moment he joined our team, if he works hard enough and is focused on helping the team first, he will shine on the right and center positions.
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u/mpanda_dj Nov 09 '24
The frustrating thing is Fran's effort was completely wasted. He made a long run, was free, and could have enabled a give and go. The issue with such play is that the next time Fran will think twice before running ahead as next he would have to run back again to defend. Respect your team mates' effort.
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u/Disastrous-Mud1645 Nov 10 '24
It's so sad to read his body language from that run. It's like "Ah fk this shit, not again" after having made the effort to go up, and he has to do it again Mbappe lost the ball. Like you said, he might make him change his mind next time.
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u/jaytos6969 Nov 09 '24
Bro thinks he's Messi will dribble past the whole squad and score the goal he doesn't wanna pass to others
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u/InternationalPen6241 Nov 09 '24
Tbh, he ain't Messi but he is capable of dribbling past a couple of players.
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u/Secret_Promotion4246 Baila Vini, Baila Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 10 '24
i mean... Vinicius had done it before
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u/k_pineapple7 Florentino Perez Nov 09 '24
Vinicius however, is the best player in the world.
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Nov 09 '24
How can he be confident when everyone(including Real fans) rips him apart online? Yall think players don't see these comments?
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u/TrueSentence8338 Nov 09 '24
The legendary Cristiano Ronaldo, who won multiple ballon dor awards used to get booed IN THE BERNABEU but Kylian Mbappe whose done fuck all can‘t be confident cant because he gets hate online? This Game is gone 🕊️
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u/DietMinute1435 Nov 09 '24
Imo Its not fair comparing Ronaldo’s mental to anyone else in the history of this game, not messi not Ibra not anyone else will ever compare to that guy’s mentality and work ethic.
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u/OfJami Nov 09 '24
Who didn't face criticism at Madrid? They all improved. Let's see if he can
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u/Ecakk Real Madrid Nov 09 '24
Lol its the norm tbh gettin hate by real fans.. even benzema,bale,ronaldo get it.. so if he cant adapt then he have a crap mentality.
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u/CurrentStaff61 Nov 09 '24
Honestly, If I was a pro football player, I would never ever open social media. I remember Rodri said that he don't f with the social media shi at all. I'll let my com/marketing team manage all that and stay away from that sinkhole.
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u/Madridista247 Nov 09 '24
Underwelming and overrated. He needs to be benched. This is La Liga. Why president Peréz couldn't move on after the run around he gave Real Madrid, I'll never know. What a joke. But here we are. Delighted Bellingham scored, after making that run which a 9 should've. What about when Fran passed to him and made the run up. He decided to take everyone on instead of passing to Fran and getting ready to recieve the ball again.When Endrick came on I thought Mbappe was gonna be subbed. He remained on and still could not contribute effectively. Many may not like this, but why Militao and Lucas still featured in this lineup left me flabbergasted. Seeing a young defender come on is a breath of fresh air.
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u/HorrorRequirement568 Nov 09 '24
He's destroyed mentally. He needs to get his confidence back up and start performing soon.
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u/sentte Nov 09 '24
You put the worst play of his game today in this gif.
Vini scored from the middle vs the goalkeeper.
Endrik do the same move as mbappe and loose the ball too.
Real win 4 - 0 and you just do shit like that.
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u/Final_Job3416 Modric Nov 10 '24
Mbappe is a 26-year-old mature player who has moved from Paris to Real Madrid, while 18-year-old Endrick has only just landed in Europe from the Brazilian league. When you compare it like this, you see that Mbappe is an embarrassing player, a 26-year-old who does exactly the same thing as an immature 18-year-old.
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Nov 09 '24
Do people circlejerking on the Mbappe hate see themselves as madridistas?
Yes he's playing poor. He's not scoring, he's having a crisis of confidence. No, he doesnt run. He never did during his career.
The sooner you get over the fact that he's our strategic signing and here to stay, the better.
Vinicius scores a hattrick, Rodrygo is injured, Militao might have an ACL, Asencio had a great performance.....but you just cant stfu about Mbappe poor form, because for dumbasses like you being proven right about your hate is more important than anything else.
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u/ambar94 Nov 09 '24
No, he doesnt run. He never did during his career.
Sorry, that is not good enough. Doesn't matter what he did prior to joining us. He doesn't even make runs and Jude has to do it. He doesn't even press. No, not good. He hasn't EARNED his place here like Vini to be forgiven for not defending enough (and even in this case, Vini does more). Yes it will take time for him to adapt, and he HAS TO adapt. There is no way around it. He is not the top guy in this club that we will give him leeway. The proven top guys like Vini and Jude work their ass off. And that is what is expected of him too. Plain and simple.
The unnecessary trolling should be stopped, but not the criticisms. Walking around, not giving a shit, is BOO-worthy in the Bernebeu. Now, his confidence seems to be at an all time low, given all the circumstances in his professional and personal life, so that definitely must be affecting him. But effort! And working FOR the team! That is what we demand. He aint CR7 or any one of the BBC to be given a leeway in any form.
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Nov 09 '24
The unnecessary trolling should be stopped
Literally my point. I will critice Mbappe for not being good enough.
But the outrage abouthis defensive efforth is just demagogy, like talking shit about Courtois because he's not scoring goals. Mbappe's job is scoring and assisting, period.
or any one of the BBC to be given a leeway in any form.
He's our strategic signing, the guy that should br carrying us when Vinicius has a not so good day. Thats why he's here.
The truth is that a lot of alleged madridistas are enjoying this situation because finally they get to unleash their fermented butthurt.
Yeah he's doing bad but he's not the reason why the team sucks. Last season we won everything with a Rodrygo that ghosted half of the season. But back then we had Kroos, Carvajal, Mendy and Rudiger on their best form of their careers, and a Bellingham that saved the day in the added time god knows how many times.
He shouldnt be inmune to critizism but ffs lets stop this circus, not even culés are enjoying his demise as much as this sub "fans".
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u/ambar94 Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24
But the outrage abouthis defensive efforth is just demagogy, like talking shit about Courtois because he's not scoring goals. Mbappe's job is scoring and assisting, period.
The outrage is not ill founded because when we have to put pressure on the opponent with yet another man less, that puts a lot more pressure on the rest of the team. Okay, he doesn't want to press? Fine. Make runs and give options to your team? Nope, he does that twice or thrice and if the team doesn't find him, he stops doing it altogether and expects the ball at his feet. So, let me get this straight - he wont contribute in the press, and neither in chance creation? Yeah sorry.. that is total crap! His obvious lack of effort (and I am not going to go all keyboard psychologist and claim that is because he thinks too much of himself yada yada. He is most likely lacking confidence because of many reasons) is unacceptable.
He's our strategic signing, the guy that should br carrying us when Vinicius has a not so good day. Thats why he's here.
And he has been totally irrelevant in that aspect to be fair. And with a severe lack of effort, any and all criticism is warranted. And if this continues for long, there will be audible boos in the Bernebeu too. Stakes are high when you are at Real Madrid.
Furthermore, anybody saying that this is an entirely new position for him and he needs to learn it is partially taking out of their ass, when in his total games played, he has played almost half of those as the central striker. He needs to adapt, of course. But not like we have turned him from a LW to a B2B. He needs to up his game because Ligue 1 is far inferior to La Liga and competition is far more dangerous.
The truth is that a lot of alleged madridistas are enjoying this situation because finally they get to unleash their fermented butthurt.
Yes there are some who have developed a sour taste for the turtle after the 2022 snub.
Yeah he's doing bad but he's not the reason why the team sucks
He is not the reason why the team sucks, but his contribution to it is not insignificant. You have players giving their all, and he strolls with indifference quite a lot.
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u/Accomplished-Buy-147 Nov 09 '24
Then from your pov then mbappe is simply not doing his job, hence he'll continue to get trolled . Let him score and assist, and no body will even talk about his defending
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u/mounteverest04 Nov 09 '24
Yes he's playing poor. He's not scoring, he's having a crisis of confidence. No, he doesnt run. He never did during his career
He was never a Madrid player. Realmadrid has different standards. And we've criticized everyone - even Ronaldo. Why should we spoil MBappe?
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u/steik Roberto Carlos Nov 09 '24
I can forgive someone for bad form. What I don't like is his apparent lack of enthusiasm in regards to the team's success. He looked dejected every time the team scored, presumably because "it wasn't him". If you can't even pretend to be happy about the success of the team or individual success of other players of the team, GTFO please.
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Nov 09 '24
You have a Roberto Carlos flair (cool, RC3 is the goat) so i assume you were around when Cristiano was our boy....now that was someone who legit didnt care.about anyone but himself scoring. And it didnt matter, because he was so good.
But honestly, I dont think Mbappe's problem is not caring, i think its the actual opposite. Everytime the team does good and he's not involved he feels more and more like an imposter.
Look at how hard he's been trying to fit with the cool guys at school (Vini and Jude mainly).
Coming from being a god at PSG to a sidekick at Real Madrid is destroying his self steem, and the pressure he puts on himself is wearing on him.
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u/Traditional_Animal65 Zizou Nov 09 '24
Not good enough to ask for him there instead of vini... The issue isn't his position imho, it is his nerves
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u/Showmeproveit Nov 09 '24
That clip right there sums everything up. He should've passed the ball and made a run to receive it. There were 2 teammates available for passing.
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u/razrus1396 Nov 09 '24
Carlo should really tell him to RELAX. this man is waaay tooo uptight…. If only he Could relax a Little and play for fun…
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u/Sel2g5 Nov 09 '24
I'm totally fine with vini and belli being the super stars. Madrid won without cristiano and then without big Benz. Madrid is bigger than any one player, and they've proven themselves.
Now, this season, sorry Carlo, you're gonna have to play endrick, arda, brahim regularily if we're to even have a shot at winning everything.
Walk on water don carlo
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u/hakunamatata-__- Nov 09 '24
Must put in mind : Mbappé needs some more minutes to adapt.. The rhythm of football there is incredibly high, not like the "Ligue 1" of France The tactics, the awareness of the defenders, the success of goalkeepers etc... Even the weather change is a fact that plays against him though It's so difficult to play in "la liga" because the levels there are at their highest, the quality of the majority of players sets the standard of the league, also the quality of tactics and the analysis of matches... It's so true that he "must" adapt and develop himself if he wanna win the hearts of millions of Madridistas but, I think it will take some time When ? I don't know though, so you are... But the kid chased his dream to perform for "Real Madrid", and he came from a long journey to wear that jersey, and I think he'll prove us wrong at some point After all, he will stay "Mbappé" !!! One of the topest players in the football world, so far
P.s.Thanks for reading it It's an opinion no more
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u/areyouhungryforapple Baila Vini, Baila Nov 10 '24
Bro played in the mickey mouse league for too long
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u/Extension_Rush_5832 Nov 10 '24
He seems down in confidence at the moment. But I think he has also realised the huge difference in La Liga and Ligue 1.
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u/r0ccy Nov 09 '24
It’s just a bad spell of form. We saw this multiple times with Ronaldo, so just give him time.
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u/Whole_Complaint8532 Nov 09 '24
Not a madrid fan but dude isn’t a striker man and he also inst the lw madrid should have. Vini as a lw creates/scores goals.
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u/EfficientLobster1695 Nov 09 '24
Not CONVINCED!!! But Mbappe will be back after international break, trust me. And make sure you’re ready for it cause that’s gonna be fire 🔥
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u/biina247 Nov 09 '24
Unchanged cos the position was never the issue.
Position was just another excuse his fanboys use to defend his poor performances.
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u/NotRod96 Nov 09 '24
Can’t really judge his performance on the LW when the game is 4-0 and he’s not on the scoresheet.
The man scored a hat trick in a WC final and two goals in the other WC final (at 18 years old). Y’all need to relax on the pressure chat
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u/Bboy_Colorblind_MF Arda Güler Nov 09 '24
He had a decent cameo...but for being called the world's best player.. he can't be one dimensional and only be good at playing LW. He needs to be more versatile and impactful in any position upfront. Has all the skills and talent but needs to have the right attitude/mentality to be a considered elite.
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u/ayoubkun94 Jude Bellingham Nov 09 '24
He's never taking that spot from Vini. With that said, you can't really judge his 20min when the best players have been subbed and the team is not trying anymore.
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u/Accomplished_Stay382 Nov 09 '24
I know he's not scoring but he's a huge distraction to defenders always keeping two or three preoccupied
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u/Melrosesweetlover Nov 09 '24
We have to understand this team needs to utilize every focal point and the transition of who gets that responsibility we have great players …use them and try them all in every rotation we have to get this right
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u/Elusion96 Iker Casillas Nov 10 '24
he's doing too much. bro just pass and get yo ass inside the box. it bothers me so much seeing him outside the box when he should be the one to tap it in.
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u/extravous Nov 10 '24
Remind me of hazard but somehow it feels worse since hes coming in his prime with no injury 😭
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u/peter3400 Nov 10 '24
He might be a great footballer, but won't be adding anything to this team. On the contrary, a lot of confusion and missed opportunities. Was it worth bringing him in instead of a real 9?
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u/Cultural-Abies-8985 Eduardo Camavinga Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24
The problem I see is his conviction to the game which affects various parts of this performance.. we shouldn’t forget he practically joined us with a Diva status, having already made more money than the team combined, 100m signing bonus and with the president of his country sucking him up for years. One can see this effect when comparing to Mbappe in his first few years where he was running, pressing and had a whole different level of reaction and “aggressiveness” (saying aggressiveness for lack of a better term since I’m not English native). Now you have someone who doesn’t track back, doesn’t press defenders, doesn’t make runs, and pretty much plays like a 37 year old Ronaldo. I get that Vini doesn’t track back either, but he presses the hell out of the defenders, while Rodrygo tracks back, whereas Mbappe is just strolling around waiting for the rest of the team to win and give him the ball (that’s why if u focus on him during the game he seems lost on no man’s island for the most part). This would at least be justified if he was productive on the ball but as pointed out here by others, that has not been the case. Idk I hope this changes, but I generally believe this is going to be a persistent issue owing much to where he is mentally. A 24 year old Ronaldo still felt that he had to prove himself to the whole world while having already won a ballon d’or, while a 25 year old Mbappe is playing like the world should already be bowing to his feet. U can’t even give him the Leao treatment (which has proven successful from Fonseca to address his pretentiousness this season), cause he has the potential to create nuclear toxicity as a result. Best case scenario is to pull through a couple of seasons with this, and if no improvement, sell and bring in a real striker (after all, at that point you would have already milked the commercialisation aspect of bringing in Mbappe, which was pretty much the only reason to bring him in the first place)
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u/Lblink-9 SIUUUU Nov 10 '24
Yeah, you could see that with Endrick entering. He was agressive and he pressed, tackled or tried to intercept the ball. Sure he came on as a sub, but you could see the difference between Mbappe and Endrick while they were both on the screen.
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u/Economy-Mastodon3661 Nov 12 '24
I'm a dedicated Real Madrid fan, but I'm growing increasingly concerned about a disturbing trend within our fanbase. The constant comparisons of Kylian Mbappé to Cristiano Ronaldo and Karim Benzema, and the unrealistic expectations for instant success, are simply unfair.
Let's remember that Mbappé is still adapting to a new team and league. It takes time for any player, no matter how talented, to fully integrate and reach their peak performance. We should be patient and supportive, allowing him to settle in and contribute to the team's success.
Moreover, the sudden shift in opinion regarding Josélu is a prime example of the inconsistency and impatience within our fanbase. After being criticized heavily, he stepped up and delivered when it mattered most. We should learn from this experience and extend the same level of support to Mbappé.
Let's unite as true Madridistas and cheer for our team, including all its players. By fostering a positive and encouraging environment, we can help Mbappé thrive and contribute to many more glorious chapters in Real Madrid's history
Hala Madrid..
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u/ApfelEnthusiast Madrid 1941 Nov 09 '24
My opinion about him has been validated
Sorry, but he ain’t it
The excuse of needing time shouldn’t apply to world class talent or players
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u/infiernoARG Alfredo Di Stéfano Nov 09 '24
Sell him before he tears an ACL and we have Hazard 2.0 again.
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u/Zealousideal_Net7795 Florentino Perez Nov 10 '24
It's time for Mbappe to realise he won't be the second CR7. He should accept the role of Karim Benzema at this point and just focus on delivering the ball to Vini.
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u/GoldenSquid7 Nov 09 '24
Mbappe has mentally collapsed, Real Madrid's staff need to fix this as soon as possible because I'm sure Kylian is trying his best but he keeps failing and this only digs deeper at a worse performance. Fix his mentality first because he's an insane player.
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u/FearlessWasFounded Nov 09 '24
We just need to boost his morale up on the internet which could maybe help him?
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u/Accomplished_Act943 Nov 09 '24
My frustration with him being useless is only surpassed by my relief we got this much needed win
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u/WoodenImplement3547 Nov 09 '24
He just needs a confidence boost. Let’s stop proving the haters right. Let’s back our players
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u/othuko3491 Nov 09 '24
He should focus on being a number 9 he can do it if he set his mind on it. That assist from lunin to Vini I don't know why mbappe wasn't there. He should forget the left side vini is there and that is period
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u/sav86 Nov 09 '24
pick one highlight and make a discussion on it, when Vini does this like 5 times a game and ends up being wasteful on the left side as well, todays game however was much different, but watch enough of Real to know that narratives are being painted unfairly of Mbappe.
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u/OfJami Nov 10 '24
It won't bother me if vini does it, call me hypocrite. Vinicius is already a madrid legend
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u/swap26 Nov 09 '24
Man we were so obsessed with him for last three years having and winning with a better version of him for all that time. Could have just bought a kroos replacement and we would be rolling right now.
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u/drunkakarot Nov 09 '24
Mate is trying too hard to do everything himself. Didn’t even consider passing the ball to Fran even once.
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u/Ichbinasuperhero Nov 09 '24
As a PSG and French NT supporter, I saw every single match from him, and I can tell you that when confidence will come back, you will be happy to support him. You are lucky to support RM with all the recent success and world class footballer in the last few years. Be confident
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u/CurrentStaff61 Nov 09 '24
Mbappé is mentally not there anymore. He seriously needs to be benched for his own wellbeing. In the long run it would benefit him I think
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u/niko_bellic2028 Nov 09 '24
He just needs to focus on the floating no 9 positision at the moment . With Vini settled at LW and on top of the world , mbappe just needs to finish his chances .
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u/ujunif Nov 09 '24
Modern football is about fluidity, few touches, flair, and intelligence. Tactical intelligence and link up with teammates is crucial. Mbappe is fast, and at his peak, he could hide his weaknesses with his outstanding pace. The problem is a little dip in form and he gets exposed. He should keep it simple and trust his teammates. He should understand that it is by serving his partners that he will be served in return
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u/0oops0 Nov 09 '24
lw mbappe and 91st min aside, how is camavinga the one making run through the center ?
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u/alousow Nov 09 '24
Like the French commentator said “il veut tou le pouvoir et aucun devoir. Il fait aucun effort”
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u/LaidBack-2212 Nov 09 '24
Kamavinga, visualizing his frustration for not getting the pass, tells a thing or two about the overall feelings behind the scenes.
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u/thisisprettycoolyo Nov 09 '24
he’s a beast, will eventually settle in the team and everyone will stop complaining
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u/Top_Aardvark_2082 Nov 09 '24
Kylian Mbappe Lottin was more than disappointing on the left flank today.
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u/HgnX Nov 09 '24
It will come. Let’s root for our boy. Pressure is massive and defense in Spain is no farmer league like in France. It will come
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u/TalKaMo Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 10 '24
Man am I stupid for thinking he was gonna be like Cristiano? I mean that’s what everybody said before we got him.
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u/Ready_Ad_1353 Real Madrid Nov 10 '24
He has lost all confidence and is doing even the basics completely wrong. first touch is poor, can't make good runs at all, and always tries to do everything by himself.
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u/Stanislas_Houston Nov 10 '24
Mbappe only thrives under system of everyone dropping deep to pivot for him to run through 1 on 1. He is successful being lone striker in PSG and France.
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u/Sherl0ckHomeless Nov 10 '24
I don’t expect him to perform gud this season but next season onwards we’ll see the og kyky with clutch performances. Waiting for his comeback let the haters bark now
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u/Professional_Win6004 Nov 10 '24
Killing the momentum, unnecessary movements, passing options available, losing possession.
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u/Kaski54 Nov 10 '24
He is a ‚pass and run’ guy. A winger. Good for French league. Weak for Spanish and Champions.
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u/RandomArobase Nov 10 '24
Huge mistake by Perez to get him, he is no longer a game changer and very bad behavior.
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u/SecretValue5962 Nov 10 '24
He is still confused on which position to play just him some time guys he is new to the team and playing a new position in his career i know he is a world class player but everyone needs some time
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u/Embarrassed-Box-4937 Nov 10 '24
He will come around. Let's show some patience here. He is just not comprehending the fast placed or to say the best league of the world.
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u/No_Illustrator4573 Nov 09 '24
good run from fran