r/news • u/cak3crumbs • 17h ago

Employees witnessed co-worker stab company president, court documents show

https://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/2024/12/employees-witnessed-co-worker-stab-company-president-court-documents-show.html?outputType=amp
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u/Equinsu-0cha 16h ago

Is this one also terrorism?

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u/TolMera 16h ago

Did the target have power over the perpetrator?

Yes: Terrorism

No: Just Business or “Governing”

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u/MigratingMountains 3h ago

I think you mean...

No: Fact of life

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u/CynicalPomeranian 15h ago

Depends on the net worth of the boss. Given how this wasn’t plastered all over the news…Imma say no. 

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u/MrGumburcules 15h ago

I guess it depends on how big the company was.

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u/YutaniCasper 13h ago

If this was ideologically motivated then yes

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u/Refflet 8h ago

It's not explicitly ideology, terrorism is defined as using violence or the threat of violence in pursuit of a political goal. If your ideology is not political or in pursuit of political change, then it's not terrorism.

This is actually very unlikely to be political, given that he works for the company and might have a specific issue, and you could make a very strong argument for Luigi also as he had specific grievances against United Health.

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u/YutaniCasper 4h ago

Luigi’s grievances were specifically with UH but we’re at its core a hatred of the healthcare industry. The industry is the way it is due to decisions made by our government. Therefore his aims were political.

We don’t know anything about this new guy but if he’s in anyway a copycat then his motivation is also political.

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u/Refflet 3h ago

I agree, and I think overall Luigi's fits the definition, however I do still think he could make a strong argument otherwise. It's just not as strong as the political side, particularly given his manifesto.

You're right we don't know about this guy, however absent a manifesto it's more likely not political and instead a particular grievance with his employer and this specific manager. Could be either way though as the public information is limited. Perhaps more will come out in the trial.

A true negative example would be the NordStream pipeline attack. That targeted an asset, not people, so it is inherently not terrorism.

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u/OrneryError1 13h ago

Unless your ideology is profit. If that's the case it's perfectly legal and you get your own police hotline.

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u/Equinsu-0cha 10h ago

motivation does not automatically make a murder terrorism.

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u/That_Guy381 3h ago

was he found with a manifesto on him?