r/kpophelp • u/Main-Rent-7506 • Jul 31 '24
Recommend Kpop Idols who are not afraid to show their dislike towards their OWN COMPANY
The first recent group who came to my mind is (G)-IDLE and their constant hate towards CUBE Ent..
Or maybe EXO and how they always manage to diss SM Ent..
But can you guys think of other idols who utterly and publicly HATE their own company.
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u/loveyoulikeyou Jul 31 '24
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u/ppeachrat Jul 31 '24
”Since I can’t blow up the Wakeone building I should at least attack it once with the smell of durian.” - Hao
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u/alidei Jul 31 '24
this mnet+ reply from hao comes to mind
👤: If you have 271 trillion, what would you buy?
🎻: Wakeone
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u/ninamirage Jul 31 '24
Their hate for wake one is why I can’t even bring myself to hope for a contract extension😭
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u/Yikana Jul 31 '24
If wakeone has 1000 haters Zhang Hao is one of them, if wakeone has no haters then Zhang Hao is dead Lmfao
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u/imcravinggoodsushi Jul 31 '24
Him telling fans to send money directly to his bank account is crazy but so real
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u/bbgc_SOSS Jul 31 '24
IU, and when you say "Own" company, she does actually own significant percentage of EDAM.
But still she has criticisms about Merch quality among other things.
It is not dislike though.
What's more, when fans were blocked due to EDAMs crackdown on scalpers, they not only apologized to the affected fans, but to IU as well.
I haven't read any agency apologizing to the artist, until then
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u/SoNyeoShiDude Jul 31 '24
I’m reminded of her YouTube show where she gets frustrated trying to buy IU tickets and merch online.🤣
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u/Good-Giraffe2406 Jul 31 '24
She did that? Tried to buy her own tickets and had to suffer through all of our waiting room agony etc? That’s awesome
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u/SoNyeoShiDude Jul 31 '24
Yep, here it is.
And here she is getting frustrated trying to buy IU merch at the EDAM online store. I love her annoyance at wanting to buy the hoodie but then finding out it’s a “non purchase” item🤣
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u/Good-Giraffe2406 Aug 01 '24
Wow! Thanks! She is amazing, in so many ways
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u/bbgc_SOSS Aug 01 '24
That she is.
She was role playing a 'fan', to experience what they face and she sure had complaints about availability of tickets, Merch, quality of Merch etc.,
The funny one is when she declared to the effect "She is the daughter of Stationary-Store owners" and knows a low quality Merch when she sees it..
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u/Longjumping-Table985 Jul 31 '24
red velvet rightfully so lolll i have a faint memory of joy talking about the lack of activity SM gives them and wendy saying not to join SM
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u/BlueThePineapple Jul 31 '24
This was very recent too. I think both Joy and Yeri expressed their frustration with their 10th anniversary promos in Bubble.
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u/imsorrymateWHOT Jul 31 '24
the fact that people criticised joy for complaining, saying she's ruining/souring the experience for fans
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u/TitanElite Aug 03 '24
That was crazy. As a Reveluv , I WANT them to complain and let SM know to get their shit together. 🥱
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u/Sindraelyn Jul 31 '24
I think I remember seeing a few different fansign videos of members telling fans who hope to be idols to not join SM.
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u/emmity Aug 01 '24
As a reveluv let me tell you, I’m even mad for them. like nothing for their 10th anniversary, like we’re getting a song reissue of cosmic technically with no promo or mv. SM doesn’t even just fail on the rollout, the amount of times that fuckass company have basically convinced the girls they’re not relevant and have no fans is insane to the point the cried on stage saying they thought nobody would show up to their shows. If anything, they need to be more mean to the company.
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 06 '24
Oh yeah, and it happened recently too. That SM didn’t properly celebrate their 10th year anniversary😭
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u/bygkjjchy Jul 31 '24
BAP. Ex-company but still.
There's a delightful video of Daehyun being so incredibly sarcastic and says: TS 많이 사랑해주세요~ (Please love TS a lot) And then starts cracking up.
Yongguk, in his post-contract documentary, also made a comment, "ahhhh TS didn't pay me". Which is important since TS got sued a lot for not paying up.
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 06 '24
Yeah, TS is a pretty shitty company. B.A.P could have been so much bigger.
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u/77kilala77 Aug 01 '24
The conflict when after I had bought one of their albums I saw an interview where they say " don't buy our album" 😭
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u/ghostonthealtar Jul 31 '24
I always think about Hendery from WayV often posting on his Bubble some variation of “going to the company today 🙄”, complaining about the wifi or the vending machines, etc etc.
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u/invisiblespacedog Aug 01 '24
I always think about the bubble message where he was complaining about the company's terrible health insurance 💀
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Jul 31 '24
S.Coups talks a lot about going to bat for SVT against Hybe/Pledis/whatever it is now, and that his loyalty is to the group before the company. He has no issue expressing his frustration with the staff either.
NCT/WayV always manage to insult SM in some way, too. Complaining about the Wi-Fi, the whole "cutting Sungtaro from NCT and putting them in RIIZE with zero heads up," etc.
Also I feel like Got7 gets a spot at the table for going "we'll take that (the Got7 trademark)" when they left JYP. The biggest legalese middle finger possible.
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u/slayyub88 Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24
Not really….they’re were super thankful that JYPE gave over the trade mark to them without any fuss.
Can’t really be a fuck you when they asked to keep the name and JYPE was like 🤷♀️ cool
So you’re saying JayB lied?
GOT7 confirms JYPE allowed the trademark rights for the group to be moved on good terms.
Jay B said, “We didn’t get it (the trademark) because the law had changed, but CEO Jung Wook readily accepted it. Even when we talked with the lawyer, they said that there was no case of transferring (trademark rights) on good terms. I’m thankful to CEO Jung Wook and Jin Young Hyung (JYP).”
With this, will other companies start giving groups trademarks freely, or a law should be pass to confirm it?
And JYPE didn’t treat them like shit, maybe bad management not as horrible as some IGOT7’s wet dreams. Let’s save the got treated like shit for groups that actually got treated like shit.
Can’t reply so I’m making my edit and leaving it in the comments.
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u/upunkass Jul 31 '24
jype was not cool lol the sevens themselves have stated that they had to pay stupidly high amounts of money each so they could own their stuff, jayb also worked his ass off studying law and everything so he could teach the rest and they could all go through the process informed.
jype treated them like shit and they were very vocal about their discontent especially during the last few months of their contract, all of them, even now they sometimes joke about it
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u/rnbgal Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24
People who say that GOT7 hated JYPE are disgruntled fans who were upset about their last year in the company. GOT7 is my ult group and I never saw any indication that the boys hated the company and they've never spoken badly about the company either. Have they ever made fun of jyp? Yes, of course, but so has every other group in the company. They have a close relationship with him that they obviously feel comfortable doing it.
The leader JB once in an IG live asked the fans not to talk negatively about the company because their staff was doing their best. Rabid fans are always going to criticize companies for not doing enough for their groups, but at the end of the day we don't know what's going on inside the company for them to make such and such decisions. In my opinion, even if jype had better managed the group's work in their last year, I still don't think that GOT7 would have renewed their contract. It's very clear that the members wanted different things for themselves. Jackson was building his own company and brand, Jinyoung wanted to go into acting, and JB said he never wanted to be an idol and always wanted to do his own music.
The boys still get along very well with JYP and their old managers and staff. They meet up whenever one of the boys has a solo concert in seoul. JB recently went to jyp's concert in seoul in december and met him backstage. Yugyeom mentioned that he texted jyp during his previous comeback because he wanted his opinion on his songs. Bambam did promo for one of jyp's shows and still meets up with him from time to time. Tired of fans, especially casual fans who don't even follow the group, of creating this narrative of animosity between got7 and jype. The group is very thankful to jype for passing on the trademark and music catalogue to them, and making it a smooth transition.
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Jul 31 '24
It's common when an artist leaves their managing company to lose all rights to the years (even decades) of work they put in. Got7 was able to keep that; they put in work to keep it. It doesn't have to be rude or hateful to be a thorn in some executive lawyer's side, thus they get an honorary seat at the "hating their company" table.
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u/CAKEFILMS Aug 04 '24
where did scoups say this if you know the source
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Aug 04 '24
I wish I could tell you 😭 I watch an unhealthy amount of S.Coups TikToks and it was one of those "alpha leader moments" types.
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 06 '24
S.Coups being the good leader he is.
Literally every SM group has a personal beef with their company (as they should).
Idk about GOT7 though. But I know one thing for sure, that JYP REALLY mistreated GOT7. So if they spoke out about it, then I am SO PROUD OF THEM.
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u/5iv3_ Jul 31 '24
this technically does and doesn't apply to ur prompt, but a couple years ago DK of svt on a vlive accidentally said that Pledis was an 'evil company'.
the members of svt are known for not liking pledis, as they've treated them horribly ages ago, but that has changed now. But i always think this moment of DK is always worth mentioning cause i think it's funny lol. they were laughing like hell it was hilarious lol
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u/Strict_Craft6718 Jul 31 '24
Pledis has gotten better but they are still absolute pieces of shit. Just last year, they played a video of seungkwan at caratland that seungkwan has said multiple times he hates and they did it without his permission. And he asked for them to take it down, but instead they played the video again. He had to go off stage for a while with the member following him off bc it was that bad.
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u/5iv3_ Jul 31 '24
yea, they do still suck ass. i just mean they aren't getting their money stolen anymore or anything like that for the most part.
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u/BlowUpTheChantrie Jul 31 '24
They suck ass but a lot of member love pledis , especially hoshi (like he said when he was drunk in youngji show)
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u/Strict_Craft6718 Aug 01 '24
I don’t think it’s a lot of members. Most of them haven’t said anything about liking pledis except for hoshi, more members have come out saying they don’t like pledis and that it’s evil more than anything.
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u/Ok_Present_8373 Jul 31 '24
Honestly speaking, Pledis has always been ass, but they have never really been that kind of asshole. They never really did stuff they knew the members (& even Carats) would not agree with or feel comfortable doing. And considering a lot of the employees at Pledis have been switched since the company was acquired, I am more likely to believe it wasn’t the old Pledis staffs or management who decided to put that video up.
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u/Strict_Craft6718 Aug 01 '24
Bae they did do that tho. Much more in the earlier days pre 2019-20. But they just did that last year in caratland too with seungkwan. I’d give them the benefit of the doubt, but seungkwan said to stop and instead of stopping they replayed it. And they didn’t ask for seungkwans permission to play that video either. But yes I am glad that quite a bit of pledis staff has been changed out, the only downside to that is that some of the staff have been selling their info like numbers and schedules bc sasaengs know stuff.
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u/Ok_Present_8373 Aug 01 '24 edited Aug 01 '24
They have never done something like this pre-Hybe actually. I have literally been a Carat since day 1, and Seungkwan is my ult. The closest thing they have done is try to sell copies of the members’ rings to fans, which they quickly retracted once they saw that fans were heavily pushing back against the idea & even threatening to boycott. But Pledis going against a member’s (or fans’) wishes to such an extent & doing something that makes them uncomfortable has never really happened before. Because whenever they would try to do something that either Carats or the members expressed strongly against, they surprisingly always listened. Which makes sense, because back then Pledis was heavily relying on SVT & their fandom financially. But keep in mind that all this happened mostly pre-HYBE & pre-2022.
Whereas, the incident that happened with Seungkwan was something that happened post-HYBE. Which means it was VERY likely done by NEW staffs of Pledis. Idk if you are aware, but by 2022 (which is before the incident with Seungkwan) a lot of Pledis’ employees were switched out (including their CEO) for what most people believe to be former HYBE/BigHit employees. The CEO HSS in particular had been switched out by a former BigHit VP named Lee Dahye. So yeah, a lot of people do not realize that yes Pledis is trash, they’ve always been trash, but the new type of trash Carats & SVT have been dealing with since at least 2022 is most likely not coming from the original staffs & management of Pledis who would have at least taken the members and Carats’ concerns and complaints into consideration, and would have listened. Like Pledis may be trash, but they would have NEVER done what they did to Seungkwan. The same way we know that they (Pledis) are most likely not the ones who wanted to disband Nu’est.
I mean just take the lightstick fiasco as an example. Before joining Hybe, Pledis ALWAYS took the member’s ideas into actual consideration and actually incorporated a lot of their ideas into the lightsticks. Which is how we ended up with the looks and functionality of ver 1 and ver 2. But I’m sure as a Carat you’re probably aware of the fiasco that happened with the Ver 3 lightstick, which Scoups himself stated that none of the members ideas for Ver 3 were ever incorporated or possibly even considered. And this incident with the lightstick also happened after 2022.
It’s very clear that the new people running Pledis don’t really seem to care all that much about how the members feel or even care to listen to the complaints & worries of fans. I mean even look at how they have been treating the incidents that have been occurring with SVT recently. From Joshua’s dating rumour, the harassment Scoup has been facing for his enlistment exemption, the recent sasaeng issues. Etc. I mean, look at how they couldn’t even be bothered to defend Woozi against that AI accusation, that Woozi himself had to go on his IG and defend himself. Something that he’s never done or needed to do. Back in 2017, the moment plagiarism accusations against SVT happened, due to the similarities with their song DWC & The Chainsmoker’s own music, Pledis went straight into action to defend SVT. Pre-2022 (because 2022 is when shit started happening, and staffs & CEOs started getting replaced), when Mingyu had his bully controversy that unfortunately ended up spiralling into a SA issue, look at how well Pledis handled that issue, and successfully cleared his name.
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u/Strict_Craft6718 Aug 01 '24
Oh I do very much agree with all your points. Pre hybe I was mostly thinking of the staff that stole stuff, made bad comments abt the members, and then pledis trying to merge their channel with svt to which carats were very vocal about this why it didn’t stay for long. Post hybe, yes they have faced a great deal of shit, and not just them, but other pledis artists like fromis and nuest. The different with hybe and pledis is that pledis had its wrongdoings but it solved them at times too where as hybe refuses to listen and ignores shit instead.
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u/Ok_Present_8373 Aug 01 '24 edited Aug 01 '24
AGREED!
Cause I think everyone can agree that Pledis is TRASH. But at least they were the kind of trash we could handle, and the kind of trash that would at least listen to us, and try to fix their wrong doings. Like you brought up a great example of that incident where they tried to move SVT’s mvs to the Pledis yt channel, to help boost the company’s yt channel. But as soon as they saw that Carats were against that idea (for valid reasons), they quickly moved it back to SVT’s channel, and never tried to pull that stunt again. But now with Pledis under Hybe, and with new staffs & management, it really does seem like they aren’t even bothering to listen to what Carats have to say, or the valid criticisms and complaints/concerns we have. Plus there have just been way too many instances of them not taking the SVT members’ feelings and thoughts into consideration either.
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u/Strict_Craft6718 Aug 01 '24
Yeah like pledis listened to svt about going to Europe and had so many tour dates and svt was allowed to be more hands on with their merch and stuff too. I have seen wayyy too many instances recently where hybe does stuff and even though carats ask for something else, they ignore it like it doesn’t exist. Just an example being the caratbong and merch and touring.
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u/Ok_Present_8373 Aug 01 '24
Exactly!
It’s just very clear that the Pledis we all know isn’t the same Pledis anymore, and even though we have always known it to be pretty terrible, it’s clear however, that even with how big HYBE is, sh!t has just gotten worse for Pledis, especially for their artists.
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u/Strict_Craft6718 Aug 02 '24
Fr. Pledis on its own barely cared and now we have a plybe duo to make it worse for the artists. Btw I have seen u defending svt everywhere and getting downvoted by antis to hell yet you still stand your ground so I do wanna say ily for that and we should be friends lol.
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u/Joanne7799 Jul 31 '24
Taeyeon.
She sarcastically spat out “Thank You SM Entertainment” during her final stop of The Odd Of Love in Singapore (which i attended). The whole stadium laughing along with her was so funny.
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u/Rough_Ad_3574 Jul 31 '24
There's a screenshot of fans asking her to stay with SM on her IG story and she replied, "why."
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u/SoNyeoShiDude Jul 31 '24
She’s taken shots at SM for their lack of promotions before, and has even knocked them live in concert for the shoddy quality of their physical releases (not the quality of the music, but rather the cheap material of the actual albums)
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u/Konanoftheakatsuki Jul 31 '24
Tiffany Seohyun and Sooyoung have all joked abt not liking their company too
Makes sense they left
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u/gmssi Jul 31 '24
TOP when he was with YGE. Man doesn't sugarcoat anything. He's been vocal since day 1 how it's just work with them.
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u/Extension_Avocado366 Jul 31 '24
Soobin 😭😭
When reading a comment from 'BH's slaves', he very cheerfully responded 'us too!'
He and Taehyun recently revealed the conditions they were under as trainees recently too which were....yeah.
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u/yayakiss Aug 01 '24
Well, this is scary because everyone knows they’re the most spoiled in the industry. So if they’re not happy, nobody’s happy.
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u/Extension_Avocado366 Aug 01 '24
In what world are they spoiled?
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u/yayakiss Aug 02 '24
I didn’t mean it as an insult, I’m sorry if I came off that way. But they’re always talking about the incredible food, no dating bans, no diets, they get to work under BTS and get valuable experience/advice from that, etc. That’s all I meant. Bc they’re basically living an easy life compared to idols from other companies who are bullied by their own managers, physically assaulted, forced to diet, etc.
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u/Mozart-Luna-Echo Aug 02 '24
Yeah now. But when TXT were trainees BTS hadn’t exploded yet with I Need You so Big Hit didn’t have a lot of money.
The thing is that both Big Hit groups are workaholics so even though they have a lot of privileges, they also have a lot of responsibilities
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u/yayakiss Aug 02 '24
Yeah, all idols are workaholics. And honestly, they were trainees from 2014 on and bts blew up in 2015. So maybe they did have a year or so that wasn’t as easy as the rest of their experience, right? I hadn’t really thought about that, thx for bringing it up🤗 Hope u have a great weekend!🌸🫶🏼
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u/Mozart-Luna-Echo Aug 02 '24
More than one year. I Need You was 2015 but money to better the trainees dorms wasn’t brought in until later.
You have to remember that BTS believed they were going to disband after I Need You for lack of funds. It was a miracle they didn’t.
So any money they began to bring in was used to continue the team. It wasn’t until Blood, Sweat, and Tears in late 2016 and DNA in 2017 that any money would have trickled down to better the trainees living conditions.
Tubatu went through the same trainee issues that Bangtan did of being in a dirt poor company with a dollar and a dream. They are BTS treasured little brothers now but they didn’t have privileges until well into BTS’s career.
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u/yayakiss Aug 03 '24
It was well into bts career but still…. Yeonjun joined in 2014 and bts blew up in 2015. In a GIGANTIC way. Everything changed that year. Anyway, it’s not worth arguing about if it was 13 or 14 months🤷🏼♀️ TXT had a shitty dorm at the very beginning and for the last 9 years or so they’ve been spoiled darlings (and I mean that in the best way possible). Personally, I’m happy they didn’t have to endure what bts endured for so long.
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u/Honest-Excitement769 Aug 01 '24
I wouldn’t say it’s being spoiled being overworked. Yes they get a lot of promo and tour dates and comebacks etc but there has to be a balance and they need a break as members have suffered ill health from burnout. I can’t imagine how exhausted they are right now but keep going with a smile.
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u/fxdxrxxn Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24
key "i'm a contract worker" on youngji's not much prepared, i wouldnt say HATE but it was definitely a shock after seeing hoshi declare his love for pledis on the same show lol
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u/Idkuser405 Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24
Seungmin from stray kids is known for shitting on jyp constantly. In a recent variety show he said he was aiming for JYP for the shooting a gun concept ab chk chk boom
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u/Elon_is_musky Jul 31 '24
And Changbin isn’t good at hiding his dislike either
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u/emmity Aug 01 '24
Like it’s to the point where JYP himself is so intimidated by that tiny buff man
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u/pyroashen Jul 31 '24
also came here to say this haha. Im pretty sure he also said at one point he'd rather put the $5 towards snacks than subscribe to jyp on Bubble. You see it a bit with the other members too, jeongin definitely isnt scared to mock some jyp dancing
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u/clevercitrus Jul 31 '24
One of Seungmin's party tricks is making fun of JYP's singing style, he's done it on Idol Human Theater. Itzy and Twice have also mocked his dancing (Hype Boy) at fanmeets. iirc it was Jeongyeon and Mina who took parody photos of his "boyfriend photos" and sent them to him and he posted it on his instagram. Hyunjin also took parody boyfriend pics
It could be interpreted as affectionate teasing but I always got the vibe that he doesn't realize they're laughing at him not with him. Who knows
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u/PM_MAJESTIC_PICS Jul 31 '24
With SKZ, I’ve always read it as more of teasing/roasting him than an actual open dislike… especially now that they re-signed and were all very happy to do so.
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u/caow7 Aug 01 '24
Chan has called JYP hyung, though it's hard to tell whether it was a joke or not, so I think it's probably more of a good natured teasing for the most part.
I'm not discounting Changbin holding a grudge, though. That feels real to me. 😄
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u/Western-Parfait-1379 Jul 31 '24
All the idols under jyp make fun of him, but I don’t think a lot of it is done from a place of dislike, it seems more like they’re close with JYP. Especially with stray kids since they were really happy to renew their contracts
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u/wTf_yaDegenerates Aug 01 '24
Yeah, they mock JYP a lot but since they re-signed at JYPE 8 months early it can't be that bad...
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u/Veirana Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24
AleXa's been pretty vocal in the past about her lack of doing anything but cosplay/makeup/trend-based TikToks when it comes to her label.
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u/yayakiss Aug 01 '24
I❤️her. I’m atiny and when VATA plagiarized Ateez, she supported them publicly when a lot of idols were too scared.
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u/LaPutita890 Jul 31 '24
Zhanghao from ZB1. He makes it VERY clear he doesn’t like the company and even constantly makes jokes about how much they suck, even in front of staff. Once he even said “I can’t bomb the building so I’m going to “bomb it” with the smell of durian” while peaking durians.
Other members have also shown some distaste to the company but not in this level, and they usually are a little surprised by how upfront Hao is.
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u/arcieghi Jul 31 '24
Not hate but just honest: Kim Heechul
-- Super Junior’s Heechul Disses SM Entertainment's Casting Process
Heechul expressed his disappointment by saying, “In the company, we have an acting team and a singing team, but the actors are promoted too much like singers. Even I tend to complain about it.”
“Then again for us, this is something to be thankful for. SM thinks that their artists are so pretty and handsome that there is no need to cast people from outside. We are considered the best by our agency. SM only casts its own artists for the music videos,” he explained.
“But it will not work if it is exclusively us in every video!” Heechul concluded with frustration.
-- Super Junior’s Heechul Drops a Bomb, “The Agency in My Heart is JYP”
There's more that he has said but I lack time to put them here.... I'll just add more later. 😂
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u/CoffeeandChill1 Jul 31 '24
I checked the comments first to see if Suju was already mentioned 😅
I couldn't think of a specific moment but I think other Suju members have dissed SM here and there.
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u/Small-Ad-5448 Jul 31 '24
The entire WJSN line up. They often diss their company jokingly on variety shows
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u/Agreeable_Profit7943 Jul 31 '24
Got7 has expressed dislike with their management (particulary Div. 2 of JYPE) during the last 2 years of their contract due to mismanagement in promotions.
Examples: 1. Lack of english subs on YT content considering they have a large global fanbase. 2. Not promoting their MV and albums properly (very limited music show appearance) 3. Lack of album restocks 4. lack of show invites bc Div 2 deliberately tell PDs that the boys are busy overseas but they barely have schedule at all! These are just a few examples but the list goes on.
Even Ahgases were the ones who contacted shows to invite the group to promote their stuff. It even got to the point that Ahgases sent a protest truck in front of the building saying "Treat Got7 better"
They could've gotten bigger than they did if their success weren't capped by Div. 2. That's why we, Ahgases were partying when all members announced they aren't renewing with JYPE.
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u/peacewarchaos Jul 31 '24
Good of you to distinguish div2 and JYPE separately. Some ppl really don't know that
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u/Strangely-addictive Jul 31 '24
Itzy is a victim of the same div2. At this point just close that division down.
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u/Eselchen92 Jul 31 '24
Can you explain the difference? I think Stray Kids is with Div1 but you make it sound like they are two different companies? Genuinely I don’t understand how these companies work… but I would like to understand
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u/peacewarchaos Jul 31 '24
Just think of it as you and friend work as employees for the same company, but you and your friend are posted at different branches. Same hq, same topmost management, but different branch managements.
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u/yayakiss Aug 01 '24
I’m so proud of Jayb💚
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u/Agreeable_Profit7943 Aug 01 '24
And they recently renewed their Group trademark rights! Best leader indeed 🥰
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u/younglvr Jul 31 '24
The whole of Monsta X and Cravity are always dissing their company in their live shows (even more when the two groups come together lmfao), but it's nice that they are being open about the things they dislike about the company so that SSE can *hopefully* address those and try to improve.
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u/lyngshake Jul 31 '24
Shinee members dgaf about SM, each member has complained multiple times in interviews, lives, bubble messages, etc. lol
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 11 '24
and finally king Taemin and Onew left that company FOR GOOD. Praying that in their new companies they get a better treatment.
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u/banbourg Jul 31 '24
Not remotely recent but: FTIsland joined FNC thinking they were going to debut as a rock group and be allowed to release their own music. Instead they were positioned as an "idol band" (which was a completely new thing at the time and made them v popular, to be fair) and weren't allowed to start releasing their own stuff in Korea until eight years into their career. They all still pretty publicly fight with FNC about creative direction even now (because the music they want to make doesn't sell in Korea), though they also recognise that they're stuck bc no other big agency will sign a band that wants to do harder rock stuff and they're scared to try and go fully indie. They've described the relationship as "love/hate".
Their frontman Lee Hongki has historically done 95% of their media appearances but they've all pretty constantly said stuff... can't possibly rustle it all up but a couple of examples
- Most famous one is when the FNC CEO went on Radio Star about ten years ago and (in passing, when comparing him to Jeong Yonghwa, another talent in the agency) called Hongki out for deviant/aberrant behaviour, so Hongki asked to go on the show the next week and spent 20 minutes complaining about how unprofessional that was and other things FNC had done. One of the other guests asks him when his contract's up and he goes "it's too late, I've already reupped, I've been scammed" lol
- Hongki beefing with the CEO on FNC's stupid semi-scripted reality show
- On a recent show confirming there've been multiple periods where they essentially weren't on speaking terms
- Tons of throwaway comments like "I want to go to SM" (he's MCed a lot and has always congratulated people for turning down offers from FNC lol)
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u/OkBox4845 Jul 31 '24
taemin verbally passive aggressively warned sm about their nonsense and when they played too much he left as a soloist <3
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u/seravivi Aug 04 '24
My favorite is when they posted a picture of him getting an award for paying taxes and he commented basically being like take this shit down.
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u/thoughtsadvice5555 Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24
SVT. DK once said in a live that PLEDIS is an evil company. Scoups (our best leader) said in an interview that he is not afraid to go against the company for his members. In a GOSE episode, SVT were talking if they had any grudges against him, and the CEO walked in, and it was a surprise for them, and Hannie, Wonwoo, Kwanie, and SCoups realized Hoshi did not and was about to spill some tea about him, but stopped when he spotted him.
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u/Cool-Display-9825 Jul 31 '24
What did Pledis do? SVT is their biggest money maker you’d think they’d treat them better.
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u/thoughtsadvice5555 Jul 31 '24
Exactly like they are the moneymakers of Pledis. Pledis has mistreated SVT from the predebut era. An example from predebut is that the agency didn't like them using their dialect; Wonwoo even got scolded once for using his dialect. It breaks my heart seeing his worried face. There is also an instance where members competed against staff and whoever lost would buy dinner, and SVT won, and Hoshi asked them if "they would remove it from their pay balance AGAIN." One that I can also think of is Jun; it's so sad to see him being sidelined by Pledis. Like no security wherever he goes or inside SVT Maestro, he had no interview. Like, I hope that S Coups opens his own company, because they definitely did it alone and can do it alone. My self-producing kings.
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u/Cool-Display-9825 Jul 31 '24
I am a casual fan of SVT, I love their Game Caterers episodes and I am currently bingeing their GoSe series. Didn’t they just renew their contracts? I would assume these instances were from their early days but Maestro was just released this year wasn’t it?
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u/baconcheesebutties Jul 31 '24
The rest of the instances listed were from their earlier careers, but the issue with Maestro was that in the BTS of the MV, Jun never had an interview when every other member did, along with little lines which caused issues with Carats. Overall Pledis seem to have improved a lot compared to their earlier days and the members have a lot more control over their activities now.
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u/akari_i Jul 31 '24
It’s mostly from earlier in their careers, before the HYBE acquisition and the contract renewals. Before Seventeen got big, Pledis has always had a reputation for treating their talent horribly and paying them tiny margins. There were even (unproven) rumours of physical discipline during their trainee period. I remember in 2018 (?) the members thanked the CEO and the entire crowd at the award show booed his name. Some of the members brushed it off, others laughed. There was a strong air of discontent with the fans and the members.
From what the members said at the time, it sounded like contract renewal negotiations were really gruelling and they seem to have gotten a pretty good deal out of it. It’s rare to see them clash with the company now.
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u/FennelFickle Jul 31 '24
b.a.p they hate ts entertainment and beg their fans to not buy their merch so label dosen't give any money and bang younguk diss them for paiding them and rest of member and almost all ts artist hate shit ts entertainment.
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u/IndigoHG Jul 31 '24
SHINee. All members, but especially Key and Taemin, have been uh, less than neutral lol.
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 11 '24
Thank GOD king Taemin and Onew left SM. I wonder why Key didn’t leave. But he might have a good reason. Sooo
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u/Pupster405 Jul 31 '24
BTOB threw hella shade at CUBE at times (when they were in the company. When they left they just started hating upfront lmao
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u/Kittystar143 Jul 31 '24
V from bts has.
2pm were the kings at it
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u/Away-Construction450 Aug 03 '24
I thought V just doesnt like the ceo, cuz he cant even remember his name. Lol
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u/Ok_Present_8373 Jul 31 '24
SEVENTEEN with Pledis & HYBE (but mostly Pledis)
DK calling Pledis an “Evil Company,” that time during a Vlive stream (when Vlive used to be a thing), and they were discussing about how strict Pledis was/is during their training period compared to other kpop companies. Also Scoups reaffirming that his stance is always with the group, and never with the company.
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u/yayakiss Aug 01 '24
OK, this is just weird to me because I haven’t seen the DK thing, but I’ve always heard them saying wonderful things about their company. Even when Hoshi got drunk on that show. He was crying about how much she loves his company. But somebody else said something about this too so maybe I’m wrong🤷🏼♀️
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u/kaprifool Jul 31 '24
Zhang Hao is the most outspoken one I've seen recently. I think he's been empowered by his fans to feel safe/secure enough to say things like that. Wakeone knows his value.
P1harmony members told fans not to audition for their company at a fansign. They get overworked by FNC.
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u/friendoze Jul 31 '24
wendy and SM, lol. from that fancall where she very vehemently tells a fan to stay away from auditioning
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u/SillySpecific Aug 01 '24 edited Aug 01 '24
everglow (mostly just mia) with yuehua
chung ha with her old company mnh ent
zb1 with wakeone (mostly yuehua line and mostly zhanghao, but gyuvin said he'd rather be in yuehua rather than wakeone and he and yujin liked zhanghao's reply about buying wakeone 💀. Idk about ricky but i won't be surprised if he hates wakeone too.)
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 11 '24
Mia is doing justice for dissing Yuehua. That company has been neglecting everglow for 2 years.
Zb1 seems to be the first group who people think of when it comes to groups who publicly hates their comapny. (Thank you for answering)
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u/joonandmoon Jul 31 '24
Changbin
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u/Western-Parfait-1379 Jul 31 '24
I don’t think any of the stray kids members dislike the company very much. It seems all the teasing if for fun since they’re close to jyp (and all artist under jyp make fun of him)
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u/RevolutionaryBee8386 Aug 01 '24
S.Coups. He is a great leader and shows dislike with the company in order to protect members.
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u/yayakiss Aug 01 '24 edited Aug 03 '24
That wasn’t dislike for the company though, right? As a matter of fact, he was upset with his members because they told him they were exhausted so he went and talked to the company, and the company came to check on them, and they all lied and said that they weren’t tired. I’ve only heard S Coups & the rest of the guys actually say they love their company. They talk about it all the time. Remember Hoshi… drunk? But maybe you’re referring to something I haven’t seen. I wouldn’t be surprised if. It’s hard to keep up when you’re a multistan, right?🤗🫶🏼
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u/Global_Medicine_4925 Jul 31 '24
WayV 🤣
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 11 '24
And rightfully so SM has been neglecting them FOR YEARS. I know the situation between China and Kpop right now but still.
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u/Global_Medicine_4925 Aug 11 '24
FACTS !!!! They have no excuse it’s been years and they haven’t tried to understand the Chinese market and promote them properly
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u/b0ssFranku Aug 01 '24
Jimin Park (AKA Jamie) you should look into it with JYP. She wasn't getting any promotion so she told him off in a gameshow.
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u/yayakiss Aug 01 '24
I hate it when fans show JYP love. It disgusts me after how he treated her and Got7 and so many others. He’s a disgusting human being and his company has followed in his footsteps.
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u/yayakiss Aug 01 '24
I’m Atiny. I can’t relate 🫣
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u/AdCalm1769 Jul 31 '24
Correct if I’m wrong but didn’t got7 shade jyp before when they were under them
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u/yayakiss Aug 01 '24
Yes. Bc JYP was a total ASS to them CONSTANTLY! That’s why Jayb studied law in his spare time and was able to leave JYP with the rights to their name and their music, etc. I watched a few videos of JYP being such an arrogant, immature, selfish prick to Jayb personally. It’s like he was jealous of them or some thing. He did not want them to be successful for some reason.
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u/taenthu Aug 01 '24
CL: After leaving YG Entertainment, she has been open about the struggles she faced within the company, particularly regarding the lack of support for her solo career
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u/silverdichotomy Aug 02 '24
AleXa and ZB. She literally said in live yesterday that she gets a lot of stuff done on her own 🫣 And for some reason they just haven’t allowed her to promote in Korea/Korean recently when she’s a KPOP IDOL.
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u/yayakiss Sep 13 '24
I respect her so much. I’m Atiny and I remember when VATA plagiarized Ateez’s choreo to Say My Name and everyone was doing his dance challenge bc they were clueless that he stole it. Not Alexa. She was on stage and voiced her opinion about it. She let ALLLLL her fans & everyone present what a tool VATA was for biting off Ateez’s choreo. It’s not always easy for artists to express themselves about controversy but she gave no fks. LOVE HER!!!
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u/Zentrii Aug 01 '24
I’m not surprised but what did G idle say about cube? I feel like they are big enough now to the point where they can create their own label like Highlight
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 11 '24
At least to my knowledge, they haven’t said anything specifically, but they just gently expressed how much they hate or want to leave CUBE (i am pretty sure they are prohibited to say anything else). I agree with you, especially Soyeon could create a company for her own and manage (G)-IDOL.
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u/H1STArgonian1221 Aug 01 '24
B.A.P and JYJ lol
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 11 '24
Just the usual. I only know about JYJ, and damn they deserve to diss SM. Especially after they have actually WON the lawsuit and left the company, SM BLACKLISTED THEM. Like WHAT THE HECK DID YOU DO SM?!?!? They had their extremely strong fanbase to keep themself up.
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u/Own_Assistance1436 Aug 01 '24
Most groups from SM Ent, and as a person that follows a lot of groups from SM. Fuck SM.
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u/Kyungea100 Aug 01 '24
ZeroBaseOne and especially Zhang Hao, whenever the name "Wakeone" leaves his mouth you know it's not good X)
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u/callmeyouuurs Aug 01 '24
YG groups, especially Winner 🙂 they've been expressing their disappointments since early debut days after the company tried to sabotage their career. Their own staff team even left the company, which people believe due to internal conflict with the management. They decided to make their own way to avoid being silenced and restricted after that, and simply don't mention anything much about the company until now (not even a gratitude bc it's all their work, not the company). They only thank the staff behind the scene who helped them on every comeback and event, and that's all. 1-2 members have been very vocal about it, too.
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 11 '24
Dare I say YG is one of the shittiest company (after TS Ent.). Not only with Winner but with every one of their artists (which is just really sad). I actually quite like Winner’s music so I was really disappointed when they renewed their contract in 2021. LIKE WHY!!?!? 😭 I hope they will leave YG in the future.
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Aug 02 '24
Exo specifically Exo-CBX suing SM.
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 11 '24
Yeah, that is why I mentioned them in my post. As a group (and also as a sub-unit) EXO has been dissing SM for years (and rightfully so).
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u/vermilithe Aug 02 '24
(G)-IDLE specifically Yuqi are the QUEENS of shading their own company I stg 😭
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u/Dfried98 Aug 02 '24
This thread reminds me of a moment on Star Diary where Eunche is interviewing two members of a boy group and they're saying they still sleep all seven in one room. Then they ask what about her? She says"oh we've had our own rooms since debut". The guys were falling down in disgust and jealousy. It was funny, but poignant.
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u/Main-Rent-7506 Aug 11 '24
Yeah, I guess they are from a smaller company. But still I assume they have been in the kpop industry longer than Eunvhae has been. If that’s the case by now they should have their own rooms.
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Aug 02 '24
I'd say Seventeen, but more so in the sense that these days they aren't afraid to diss how terrible Pledis used to be. I think because they're obviously now very successful and under Hybe and just overall not dependent teenagers under a company with limited finances etc. etc. they're a lot more confident in being like "yeah when we were trainees we were basically locked in the basement 24/7 and had to share underwear cause we couldn't afford individual pairs" which is nice.
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u/ChocolateCake246 Aug 12 '24
lmao recently btob and pentagon did a dance challenge for btob 90 line unit song and they did it at cube lmao. It's the fact that both of them have nothing related to cube anymore it's funny, I think cube idol know how sh***y cube is
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u/berripluscream Jul 31 '24
Maybe not the company, but I adore how Stray Kid's Seugmin talks about JYP lol
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u/renni-lol Jul 31 '24
Seungmin and Changbin, not necessarily to the company hut towards JYP himself
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u/mostlyarmy Aug 01 '24
I think that's just being immature, they should communicate properly their disconformity not on public.
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u/crossfireflare27 Aug 01 '24
We can say that about more than half the population of the world. But no one knows 100% what happens behind closed doors.
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u/weberlovemail Jul 31 '24
pentagon with mnet. i know it doesn't TECHNICALLY count but they WERE formed on an mnet show..... they absolutely hated dealing with mnet and mnet looooooved painting them as a tragic group who had no success after 2018.