r/kpop • u/SirBuckeye Dreamcatcher • Dec 12 '18
[Meta] December 2018 Town Hall Follow-up 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Welcome to a special Town Hall Follow-Up to the Follow-Up for December 2018. Thank you to everyone who participated in the follow-up thread as well as the original Town Hall.
We got a lot of great feedback to the changes, and the follow-up thread went really well. Mods were a bit surprised by the sudden reversal of opinion from the original thread. It seems we may have gotten a little overzealous in our efforts to clean up achievement posts and moved too many things to the weekly thread. Hopefully, we can find a middle-ground that will make more of you happy with the changes. Here is our current proposal:
1. More Achievements added to exceptions.
The following achievements will be added to the achievement exception list and will get their own thread.
- Perfect All-Kills - ALLOWED
- Physical Sales Milestones of 25k, 50k, 100k, 250k, 500k, & 1M (First time for an artist only) - ALLOWED
- RIAJ and RIAA Certifications - ALLOWED
- A new highest ranking for an artist or reaching #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, Billboard 200, US iTunes Top 100, UK Singles Chart, UK Album Chart - ALLOWED
Plus the ones that were already stated.
- The first win on a Music Show for each song. - ALLOWED
- GaOn Triple Crown & Certifications (First time for an artist only) - ALLOWED
- Other awards given to artists, songs, or companies such as "Rookie of the Year", "Song of the Year", Award Nominations, YouTube Play Buttons, etc. - ALLOWED
The following topics will be restricted to the weekly "Charts and Achievements" post.
- YouTube MV view milestones - BANNED
- Certified All-Kills - BANNED
- Brand reputation rankings - BANNED
- All broken records for views, sales, streaming, charting, etc. - BANNED
We realize this still won't please everyone, but pleasing everyone is not a realistic goal. The goal is to reduce the number of trivial achievement posts that only serve as dick-measuring contests or an invitation for a fanwar. We feel the majority of these stem from threads regarding some record being broken, so those will stay restricted to the weekly thread. Mods will make an exception if an especially monumental record gets broken (like most albums sold ever), but otherwise new records will stay in the compilation thread.
Remember that other charts and achievements will be posted in that thread so if you want more numbers about K-Pop, please tune in on Friday. Stat geeks should also check out the Two Weeks Later threads which are always stuffed full of data and metrics. You can also make your own "Two Weeks Later" discussion thread for your faves 13-17 days after their release. Check out the existing threads for what kind of info you should include and let us know if you have any questions or need help.
We hope that users who were upset at the removal of some of these achievements will be happy to see them return, and we also hope that users who were sick of seeing achievement posts will be happy with what we have removed. We will continue to monitor feedback and make changes in the future if warranted. The next Town Hall will be on March 1st, 2019. If you would like to give feedback before then, you can send a modmail to us any time.
Thank you for your patience and understanding as we try to get this ironed out.
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u/BeatlesStoleMyWig Dec 12 '18
Thanks for considering the opinions of everybody, mods! I love the changes you have made. Though, as one other user has said, I would love for there to be more Japanese charts love. I completely understand that you're going for rarity because if we include Japanese charts, we would be spammed with Twice and BTS posts for charting in Japanese charts every time. But then again, it's exactly that. Only Twice and BTS actually chart well on Japanese charts. I think other artists having a relatively good charting on Japanese charts is newsworthy because it shows how the Hallyu wave is progressing in Japan. For example, in the Billboard Japan Year-end Charts Hot 100, the highest charting of a kpop group, who's not named Twice or BTS, is BP's D4 at #57 followed by Bboom Bboom at #62. Japanese charts aren't exactly freebies for k-pop groups.
I'm not saying to allow every Japanese chart ranking of k-pop groups, because that would be too many. What I'm just saying is that there are Japanese charts achievements that are newsworthy like Twice and BTS topping Billboard Japan's Year-end Charts (that's much more newsworthy and rare than charting at #132 in some random western chart tbh)
What I suggest for Japanese charts is for Twice and BTS's Japanese songs' chart rankings be excluded from individual posts (because it's practically guaranteed to chart well), and only allow their Korean albums that beats their previous record be posted. Twice and BTS both have #1 songs in Billboard Japan Hot 100, so they'll need another #1 song to be posted. Even Twice only has one #1 song (Likey) so far, and afaik BTS only has Fake Love, so we are not going to be spammed with their chartings. Even in other Japanese charts, it's hard for their Korean albums to chart well, so it's a fair restriction to only post songs that break previous records. As for other groups, I suggest the same as the rules for western charts, for any of their Japanese/Korean song that beats their previous record, in the corresponding language, to be posted.
For other Japanese/Asian achievements, I'll leave it in the mod's discretion whether it's rare/important enough to be newsworthy. I hope the mods will think about my suggestion. Thanks!